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Suggestions to make NSC mesh better with vanilla
In general NSC works fabulous, but there are some instances where it can feel out of place, or even stops meshing with vanilla entirely which have been overlooked. Here is the major one I encountered:

Progenitor hive origin:
>Offspring ships use outdated sections for NSC ships, which can make it awkward.
>New classes don't have offspring sections and as such it can be awkward incorporating them into fleets, reducing their usefulness.
>Explorers get the stat reduction, making them far less powerful as exploration ships go.
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CaptainX3  [developer] Feb 8 @ 12:17pm 
Before responding to each of the items above, I do want to mention that we are not planning any updates until after the Stellaris 4.0 update comes out in May, since there's no telling how much of the mod we will have to rewrite.

To address your points:

>Offspring ships use outdated sections for NSC ships, which can make it awkward.

We'll probably update these sections to better match current NSC sections after Stellaris 4.0 is released.


>New classes don't have offspring sections and as such it can be awkward incorporating them into fleets, reducing their usefulness.

We tried to do this and were unable to integrate the NSC classes into the Offspring because of how they're coded - it would require making all new classes for the Offspring, which I am not interested in doing.


>Explorers get the stat reduction, making them far less powerful as exploration ships go.

Not sure what stat reduction you're referring to, can you be more specific?
Maty83 Feb 8 @ 12:32pm 
Originally posted by CaptainX3:
>Explorers get the stat reduction, making them far less powerful as exploration ships go.

Not sure what stat reduction you're referring to, can you be more specific?

Explorers get the same stat reduction as all Progenitor ships. This makes them significantly worse than typical explorers. One way of fixing it could be a hidden starting tech for Progenitor Hive origins adding that amount of stats to Explorers. While this would make them significantly stronger if with a fleet, considering the scale of NSC battles it is negligible past the very early days.

As a suggestion, since the Offspring ships are separate in-game, making them more modular and thus capable of serving more roles could be an interesting way of solving the issue
CaptainX3  [developer] Feb 8 @ 1:26pm 
Originally posted by Maty83:
Explorers get the same stat reduction as all Progenitor ships. This makes them significantly worse than typical explorers. One way of fixing it could be a hidden starting tech for Progenitor Hive origins adding that amount of stats to Explorers. While this would make them significantly stronger if with a fleet, considering the scale of NSC battles it is negligible past the very early days.

I have not looked into specific origins and their various quirks, NSC was designed without those in mind. We'll take a look at this after 4.0 releases.

Originally posted by Maty83:
As a suggestion, since the Offspring ships are separate in-game, making them more modular and thus capable of serving more roles could be an interesting way of solving the issue

Making entirely new classes requires creating and editing dozens of files so the new classes are referenced properly throughout the game, and it's not worth that much work for a single origin.

However, making new section options for existing ships is super easy, as we only need to edit a single file to do so, so this is absolutely doable.
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