ARK: Survival Evolved

ARK: Survival Evolved

Homing Pigeon
sikosis999 Sep 5, 2017 @ 11:35am
Flyers MIA on Ragnarok
Hi :) we LOVE LOVE LOVE your mod, its a staple! a mandate by our player base :) We've been with ya for a while in fact an are no stranger to the oddities that occur as a result of Wild Card :) Seems we're at that point again hahaha, we have flyers disappearing (not dying, as of yet not located) on Ragnarok, any ideas? We experienced a long return period on The Center for a long while when that was our primary map. . .we're not too worried we'll either find them or they'll return eventually was just curious if you had any suggestions or input as to a quicker resolution. Thanks!
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PommieGamer  [developer] Sep 5, 2017 @ 6:21pm 
Equip your flyers with the standard in game GPS trackers as a safety precaution. It's likely that if they never ever make it back that they are getting stuck on a collision somewhere. Unfortunately it is impossible for me to test all scenarios given a flyer and a flag can be anywhere on a map.
Last edited by PommieGamer; Sep 5, 2017 @ 6:21pm
sikosis999 Sep 6, 2017 @ 10:39am 
is there a consistency in the path of a called bird that might aide us in tracking them down? the baffling part about this disappearance is the base from which it was called is literally within sight of the flag it was called to . For instance on The Center, when a bird vanished the first place we checked was 50,50 . . . .later we started tracking its call start point and destination then put together "common" stall points along that direct line, as well as checking in the canopy of nearby trees, cliffs and cave systems in the area, usually do a pretty good job of assisting when possible. of course the random KIA incident is left to chance :) just curious if there is anything that we might do in order to help track this flyer, beyond the standard practice of GPS tag'n everything (which the player responsible for fielding that flier before it was ready is paying penance for now hehe) Thanks for the reply, the suggestion and continue'n to work on this mod . . . if we can assist in ANY capacity lemmie know. . . . www.aeygaming.com <- - - discord link from the site. We're a small but active community running a 20ish mod 30 man PvE server with custom .ini adjustments. Lots of fun, lots of control and willingness to help!
PommieGamer  [developer] Sep 6, 2017 @ 5:39pm 
Originally posted by sikosis999:
is there a consistency in the path of a called bird that might aide us in tracking them down? the baffling part about this disappearance is the base from which it was called is literally within sight of the flag it was called to . For instance on The Center, when a bird vanished the first place we checked was 50,50 . . . .later we started tracking its call start point and destination then put together "common" stall points along that direct line, as well as checking in the canopy of nearby trees, cliffs and cave systems in the area, usually do a pretty good job of assisting when possible. of course the random KIA incident is left to chance :) just curious if there is anything that we might do in order to help track this flyer, beyond the standard practice of GPS tag'n everything (which the player responsible for fielding that flier before it was ready is paying penance for now hehe) Thanks for the reply, the suggestion and continue'n to work on this mod . . . if we can assist in ANY capacity lemmie know. . . . www.aeygaming.com <- - - discord link from the site. We're a small but active community running a 20ish mod 30 man PvE server with custom .ini adjustments. Lots of fun, lots of control and willingness to help!

The flight path works by constructing two way points between the flag and the flyer (direct path):

* The first waypoint is positioned ~50m in front of the flyer - towards the direction of the flag (at the point of recalling) and at a height roughly 80-90% of the Max World Kill Z Height (map dependent).

* The second waypoint is positioned ~50m in front of the target flag, and at a height roughly 80-90% of the Max World Kill Z Height (map dependent).

The flyer will move to the first way point and upon reaching that, will proceed to travel to the second. Upon reaching the second the flyer will proceed to travel down to the flag.

Note: The Max Kill Z Height value is the Z-axis (vertical) value which insta-kills you if you go beyond (out of world bounds). The force field world ceiling is arbitrarily positioned below this (entirely up to the map author where this is placed).
Last edited by PommieGamer; Sep 6, 2017 @ 5:40pm
sikosis999 Sep 7, 2017 @ 1:13am 
thank you! :) we found the lil buggar he was landed on the side of a cliff in some trees :) i'll pass this information on to the brains in the outfit, they'll make it make sense and work if ever needed again. Also insured personally all birds have tracking as well as pigeon on them! <3!
Zera_Fox Sep 7, 2017 @ 5:33pm 
We've found our flyers headed towards the barrier wall between Redwood/Snow/SW area on their way to a SW home flag. It didn't matter if the Flyer was located on the Western Shore or in the Redwood in the NE, both instances the flyers were found against the barrier wall towards the center of the map.
The flyer headed from around 40/25 and was found again at 45/55-ish when base is located 65/49 on the Ragnarok map. This seems as though the flyer went first East before heading South rather than taking a straight line distance from it's original location.
It also seems that the flyers will steadily decrease in altitude along their journey. We sent a flyer back and began following it in an attempt to track the return path, which led us to finding all 3 of our missing flyers which were all returning from 3 very different locations on the map.

Oddly enough they were all found within small pockets of hill against this barrier wall, which is why I am led to believe they continue to fly downward; atleast upon hitting the barrier.
Last edited by Zera_Fox; Sep 7, 2017 @ 5:35pm
PommieGamer  [developer] Sep 8, 2017 @ 4:29am 
Originally posted by sikosis999:
thank you! :) we found the lil buggar he was landed on the side of a cliff in some trees :) i'll pass this information on to the brains in the outfit, they'll make it make sense and work if ever needed again. Also insured personally all birds have tracking as well as pigeon on them! <3!

Glad you found them.



Originally posted by Zera_Fox:
We've found our flyers headed towards the barrier wall between Redwood/Snow/SW area on their way to a SW home flag. It didn't matter if the Flyer was located on the Western Shore or in the Redwood in the NE, both instances the flyers were found against the barrier wall towards the center of the map.
The flyer headed from around 40/25 and was found again at 45/55-ish when base is located 65/49 on the Ragnarok map. This seems as though the flyer went first East before heading South rather than taking a straight line distance from it's original location.
It also seems that the flyers will steadily decrease in altitude along their journey. We sent a flyer back and began following it in an attempt to track the return path, which led us to finding all 3 of our missing flyers which were all returning from 3 very different locations on the map.

Oddly enough they were all found within small pockets of hill against this barrier wall, which is why I am led to believe they continue to fly downward; atleast upon hitting the barrier.

It's possible that the mod author of Ragnarok may have adjusted the height of the world ceiling and I may also need to make adjustments to the flight path in Homing Pigeon as this shouldn't happen.

I do have an open task to try and improve the flight path by dynamically detecting the height the ceiling is at, I think I'll try and get a quick fix out if there is a problem against Ragnarok and then spend some time investigating how to improve the placement of the flight path so I don't need to do map dependent stuff.
Zera_Fox Sep 8, 2017 @ 10:12am 
Originally posted by PommieGamer:
It's possible that the mod author of Ragnarok may have adjusted the height of the world ceiling and I may also need to make adjustments to the flight path in Homing Pigeon as this shouldn't happen.

I do have an open task to try and improve the flight path by dynamically detecting the height the ceiling is at, I think I'll try and get a quick fix out if there is a problem against Ragnarok and then spend some time investigating how to improve the placement of the flight path so I don't need to do map dependent stuff.

This would be wonderful, I know many of my players would greatly appreciate a tweak to make the flights a little more Ragnarok friendly.
sikosis999 Sep 8, 2017 @ 3:07pm 
u rock :)
Ostrobogulous Oct 13, 2017 @ 7:11pm 
Looks like this happened to me. I have 2 bases, one each close to the blue and green obi. I sent 2 ptero and a tapejara from blue to green, and one of the ptero did not make it. It's been over one IRL day so far. When I consult the flag at green, it says this ptero is enroute. I've treid to recall it anyway twice, but no luck.

I got a new ptero, sent the one that made the trip okay back to blue. I then sent the same original ptero to green again, and this time I followed it on the new ptero. I did not see the missing ptero anywhere along the flight path. So I spent some time (and one death due to cold) scouting the mountain tha is between the two obi, and I didn't spot it.

Any suggestions? Flag at green still says it is enroute.
Ostrobogulous Oct 13, 2017 @ 10:03pm 
Found it. It was pretty close to the route between the two obi. For some reason it was low enough to get snagged on some rocks. When i got there a pack of allosaurus were chewing on it and it si now manure. No idea why the other ptero and the tapejara made that trip a couple times each no problem.
Light Jan 18, 2018 @ 11:10am 
I just ran into the same issue. Had a flyer get lost and never return even though the flag says it's still in route. Aside from now knowing it still needs to have a GPS on it, what can I do to try and retrieve said flyer again?
Wakkos Mar 9, 2018 @ 9:29am 
I posted in comments, but I think it's better to continue on this post.

I died and my Quetzal was "Returning to Homing Pigeon Flag" but I have like 10 flags and never renamed any of them. (I already checked, my quetzal is not on eny of it.) I've been looking around, but, if I'd know what's the "homing pigeon flag" the log talks about, I could search on that route.
PommieGamer  [developer] Mar 9, 2018 @ 7:18pm 
Originally posted by wakkos:
I posted in comments, but I think it's better to continue on this post.

I died and my Quetzal was "Returning to Homing Pigeon Flag" but I have like 10 flags and never renamed any of them. (I already checked, my quetzal is not on eny of it.) I've been looking around, but, if I'd know what's the "homing pigeon flag" the log talks about, I could search on that route.

The tribe log lists which flag the flyer is flying to. If you haven't renamed your 10 flags then I'm afraid you're going to have a rough time figuring out which flag it has attempted to fly to.

By default it will return to the closest flag (as the crow flies), so check along that route. Chances are it may have gotten stuck en route, either on some terrain or the world ceiling border (Ragnarok is still in active development so things change.).
Wakkos Mar 10, 2018 @ 3:56am 
Originally posted by PommieGamer:
Originally posted by wakkos:
I posted in comments, but I think it's better to continue on this post.

I died and my Quetzal was "Returning to Homing Pigeon Flag" but I have like 10 flags and never renamed any of them. (I already checked, my quetzal is not on eny of it.) I've been looking around, but, if I'd know what's the "homing pigeon flag" the log talks about, I could search on that route.

The tribe log lists which flag the flyer is flying to. If you haven't renamed your 10 flags then I'm afraid you're going to have a rough time figuring out which flag it has attempted to fly to.

By default it will return to the closest flag (as the crow flies), so check along that route. Chances are it may have gotten stuck en route, either on some terrain or the world ceiling border (Ragnarok is still in active development so things change.).

Thank you very much, it was indeed high flying over the closest flag.
PommieGamer  [developer] Mar 12, 2018 @ 1:17am 
Originally posted by wakkos:
Originally posted by PommieGamer:

The tribe log lists which flag the flyer is flying to. If you haven't renamed your 10 flags then I'm afraid you're going to have a rough time figuring out which flag it has attempted to fly to.

By default it will return to the closest flag (as the crow flies), so check along that route. Chances are it may have gotten stuck en route, either on some terrain or the world ceiling border (Ragnarok is still in active development so things change.).

Thank you very much, it was indeed high flying over the closest flag.

Not a problem.. It's rare but sometimes these things happen. Possibly a server/game restart in between triggering a return and the arrival? I always recommend equipping all flyers with GPS transponders so you can find them in the event something goes wrong.
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