Thats why you pick a lineup that can buy space for you until you can get it, just like normal Dota you wouldn't pick 5 carries.

This is not normal dota in normal dota you dont have Kobolts with 400 dmg and 5k hp x 50 coming at you and your 1500 hp and 300 dmg

Originally posted by Nye:

Thats why you pick a lineup that can buy space for you until you can get it, just like normal Dota you wouldn't pick 5 carries.

Can you reduce the 2 Swords by 200 ? So it costs 400 less, I think thats way better for other heroes than solo botlaner.

Pick a melee hero and go solo top with stout, slippers, and 4 mangoes. Finish PMS then get RoH. You can solo that lane for a while if you have any AOE at all.

The biggest problem is when you have more than one hero that needs an item in order to deal aoe damage. I see this very often where people who are (presumably) new to the game pick 3-4 heroes that need a lot of farm to be effective and just never come online. If you have heroes like lina, cm, tide, axe, etc. who can hold lanes while one person farms it really isn't bad.

yeah but you still need a hero to push towers and someone to hold the creep waves away from the throne without dying. Those are almost as important as AOE

The main issue with PA here is she can't get battle fury before the crucial timing window when the mass satyr and ogre creeps start swarming the bottom lane and the lane is lost. And for that matter any other battlefury dependent carries that don't have aoe nukes like FV.

That's true. Without an innate way to do AOE damage, you can't farm effectively and can never really take off. That said, her evasion makes her insanely tanky and she's great for beating Rosh 1v1 even if she's not great at clearing creeps.

I have to say that BF being expensive is a major hurdle for many melee heroes. Usually if you have a hero that relies on cleave, like PA, WK, Ember, then I often run out of time before I can afford it. It is the classes which have an AOE nuke that farm quickly, and at that point these melee heroes can no longer compete damage wise, and never catch up.

@TLP True true!

I'd disagree about Ember but PA and WK are defintely hampered by it. Ember can max flame guard and go solo mid with PMS + 5 mangoes. If you do, you'll have battlefury after 2-3 waves of zombies (assuming you get 90% of the last hits on non-zombie creeps). You need help with those waves of zombies but that's not a huge issue if your team is coordinated. Also, you can kite them decently with SoF and use SoF to get close enough to burn them without risking your life.

WK can get a decent BF timing by jungling with his imba +215 gold devour. I usually get midas + BF b4 10 mins jungling. If I'm lucky with getting a hellbear soon it will be even faster. Ursa has an aoe if you bother to learn it. Just outclassed totally by sladar.

The only 2 really affected are PA and FV. the only time I see them come online is when the roshan wave already died and all the trash creeps come swarming in for free farm.

If you cant use some AOE things, you cant get items. So you end up having ♥♥♥♥♥ items all game.

THATS IT!

I see a simple solution to all the money problems in this map.

Just make the mobs drop money bags so that everyone gets the same gold. Its easy as that.
Take a look at all the otehr survival mods.

or just simply shared money: monster money reward divided by player count.

Basically people cant play and are giving the dev ♥♥♥♥ about how to make the game easier for them, Ive never had a problem with getting a BF on PA, LD, PL, Mag, and so on, its not that hard if you go for the right build.