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Vaxxvirus Jan 31, 2016 @ 3:34am
Item Shop suggestions! Post your thoughts on the current useless items/suggestions for items.
I'm going to be brief per item.
Sange and Yasha: Weaker than any other carry item, period.
Fix it by adding an upgrade, or possibly allowing it to combine with Morbid Mask?
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Eul's: Tornado is near useless and not worth a slot.
Could be better if you changed or modified the active. Maybe make it a heal? 10% health to make it scale and be a good support item?
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Heaven's Halberd: Far inferior to other choices.
I would fix it by allowing the maim to stack, or maybe by making it combine with something.
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Vladimir's Offering: Good item. Decent stats all around.
I think Vlad's needs an upgrade available similar to War Fury. Would make it an excellent support item.
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Linken's Sphere: Useless except versus Nyx boss, and not worth it even then.
It could be more useful if something was added to it for caster sustain.
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Manta Style: Not very good item, beaten out by any carry item.
Buffing the illusions it creates would make it better.
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Necronomicon: Doesn't scale.
Adding further upgrades to summon more units or stronger units would be ideal. Maybe have it combine with another full necrobook to summon a Warlock demon as an active?
Also lowering its cooldown to 10-15s or so would make it better.
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Radiance: Situational at best; Looks good but is a money sink.
I suggest this item have an upgrade path or two; Maybe one that strengthens the burn and another that combines with Amulet for greater miss chance?
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Silver Edge: Not useful to the mode.
Here's a sick idea: Allow it to combine with Lithe Boots and combine their actives and stats. Call it quicksilver boots!
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Veil of Discord: Not powerful enough and spell damage resist doesn't help horde.
I suggest an upgrade be added.
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Ring of Aquila: Okay at early phases but ultimately pointless endgame.
It would be cool to upgrade it and get a better regen and armor aura. Support items!
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Orchid Malevolence: Not good stats, not good active.
Should have an upgrade for +stats with arcane staff. To make the item very strong, change active to a stun!
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NEW ITEM IDEAS (note: if interested, I can photoshop to make new icons.)
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Flayer's Mask: Cheaper alternative for magical lifesteal, or perhaps make it an upgrade to Morbid Mask?
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Cat o' Ninetails: Cheap alternative to Battlefury; Makes attacks cleave for a flat damage amount, maybe 50?
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Soulstone: Upgrade to Bloodstone, Toggle to deal a percentage of your mana pool as damage with basic attacks!
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Supernova, Fire Crest, etc. : Solar Crest+Radiance.
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Electrofury: Maelstrom+Battlefury.
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Fairy Boots: Blink Dagger+Tranquil Boots.
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Magus Boots: Arcane Boots+Mystic Staff+Energy Booster. Restores 500 mana.
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Mask of Insanity: Mask of Madness+Hyperstone.
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Void Staff: Staff of Oblivion+Mystic Staff+Recipe. Boosts attack speed and intelligence to allow int dps carries!
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Knight's Armor: Platemail+Chainmail+Helm of Iron Will. Maybe add Crusader Armor and combine with Vanguard?
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Glaive: Javelin+Javelin+Quelling Blade/Claymore. Makes some damage ignore armor, maybe 10% or a flat 100 or something?
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Aghanim's Blessing: Aghs+Recipe. Allows you to consume Aghs. Should be pricey.
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Grand Talisman: Null Talisman+Point Booster+Recipe. High survivability maybe?
Last edited by Vaxxvirus; Jan 31, 2016 @ 3:36am
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Vaxxvirus Jan 31, 2016 @ 3:52am 
I would love to see Heart of Tarrasque be upgraded by the Vitality Booster for more HP.

Staff of Lightning: Mjollnir+Mystic Staff.
Staff of Fire: Radiance+Mystic Staff.
Staff of Ice: Eye of Skadi+Mystic Staff.
Dark Scepter: Staff of Wizardry+Dagon+Necronomicon. Passively spawns necrobook minions.
Warhammer: Skull Basher+Battlefury.
Chaos Blade: Daedalus+Divine Rapier.
Crystalfury: Battlefury+Crystalys.
Dragonclaw: Dragon Lance+Damage Item/Quell.
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SiEgE Jan 31, 2016 @ 10:59am 
SnY is okay. Just make more upgrades, like Sange+Armlet, Yasha+Diffusal blade and etc, so you'll have a point to construct SnY in the first place.

Eul is totally outclassed by Death Stone. Eul should be upgradable like Dagon, increasing aoe and disable time.

Halberd can be dissassembled, this is why it shouldn't have upgrades.. instead, make more upgrades for Sange only, so I'll have a point to buy it(and occasionaly build it into Halberd)

Vladmir is OK as it is. No upgrades needed, only combination schemes, like cojoining it to a Solar Crest or Assault Cuirass, turning it into an ultimate support aura wielding item.

Linken sphere - Its useless because there is yet not enough creeps or bosses with active skills.

Necronomicon is made for microcontrol heroes. Like Undying with zombies, or Meepo, and its ULTRA useful there. Otherwise its useless.

Radiance is very powerful!!! Its like having an autocast aoe skill, that does 500-600 aoe damage every 10 seconds, also granting some evasion to you and your teammates.

Orchid is a "pocket maledict", just requires proper use.. Though I'd love to see it being a part of something else.

"Ring of Aquila: Okay at early phases but ultimately pointless endgame."
Just lol. you disassemble this thing, making Vladmir out of Ring of Basilius, and Power boots out of wrath band.

Veil of discord is a VERY cheap way to place a -25% magic resist debuff over creeps, that is affordable at almost the very start of game. I think we should be able to disassemble it, since every part of it can be useful for further upgrades.
Last edited by SiEgE; Jan 31, 2016 @ 11:05am
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Vaxxvirus Jan 31, 2016 @ 9:34pm 
I had no idea it could be disassembled. Thanks
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Diellan  [developer] Feb 2, 2016 @ 5:46am 
This is a helpful list of ideas. Not every item is going to be a good endgame item - or will build into an endgame item - but every item should have a use for somebody at some time.

I've already started making some changes to items, so you can look forward to those in the near future.
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Vaxxvirus Feb 2, 2016 @ 9:45am 
I've asked elsewhere, maybe you'll notice here. It would be more fruitful, I think, if you posted something asking players for input like "What do you want to see?" or the like.
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Diellan  [developer] Feb 2, 2016 @ 10:58am 
Well, we read everything that is posted here or in the comments... And I'm concerned that if we put a big thread of requests, we will create an expectation in the playerbase to fulfill things in a short time, while we still have a lot to do on our current list (e.g. finishing implementing every hero).

These threads are still helpful and we still want suggestions, but I like to have time to play DotA and climb out of the 3k trench, not just write custom games. :)
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Diellan  [developer] Feb 14, 2016 @ 3:59pm 
FYI: There are going to be a handful of new items in the next version. I just need to have Nye test them and balance the price and numbers.
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Vaxxvirus Feb 14, 2016 @ 7:31pm 
You hear that Siege?
Let's try to get more community feedback on these threads. Tell people you play with to post here so they can do more balancing.
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Vaxxvirus Feb 14, 2016 @ 7:31pm 
Can't wait.
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Pandaxtor Feb 15, 2016 @ 12:57am 
I would like to see radiance get stronger the longer enemies are burned. It can make it a great item on tanks.
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TLP Feb 15, 2016 @ 1:02am 
I was kind of sad to see Octarine core healing get nerfed. The healing is so weak now it is not useful at any stage of the game.
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Diellan  [developer] Feb 15, 2016 @ 1:28am 
Originally posted by What if they gank me?:
I would like to see radiance get stronger the longer enemies are burned. It can make it a great item on tanks.
There is going to be an upgrade to Radiance in the next patch, though it just increases the burn damage and blind percentage.
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SiEgE Feb 15, 2016 @ 1:47am 
Originally posted by TLP:
I was kind of sad to see Octarine core healing get nerfed. The healing is so weak now it is not useful at any stage of the game.
I usually buy it on melee caster heroes to lifesteal off the cleave damage. This thing is WAY more effective than just regular lifesteal on attack.
Last edited by SiEgE; Feb 15, 2016 @ 1:48am
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SiEgE Feb 15, 2016 @ 1:49am 
Originally posted by Diellan:
Originally posted by What if they gank me?:
I would like to see radiance get stronger the longer enemies are burned. It can make it a great item on tanks.
There is going to be an upgrade to Radiance in the next patch, though it just increases the burn damage and blind percentage.
Is it possible to implement "toggling" of Aghanim's upgrade? This way you can fix some problems related to SF's ulti and etc..
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TLP Feb 15, 2016 @ 1:52am 
Ah yes, I remember that. Still, for spells, it does not heal anywhere near significant amounts.

I would also like to get the "recommended items" tab back. It helps with ideas for items, and also allows you to find things faster. Plus I seem to recall being able to add my own items, make my own build on that tab.
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