Originally posted by DFS StormishJustice:

Originally posted by HDG Mr DeeJayy #NoSleepNoJeep:

Ok, lets work on something more logical (not in a literal sense).

Look at other Engineer weapons: Wrenches (and that robot glove). Theme is clearly mechanical, with focus on a wrench. A crowbar does not fit in this theme.

Look at the spy. The spy is supposed to be subtle. A crowbar is about as subtle as a truck slamming into a china shop. No way the crowbar can go for that.

Look at the heavy. ALL of his melee weapons are gloves/fists. (Killing Gloves of Boxing, that bear fist thing, Gloves of Running Urgently... etc) Not once does he lift a melee weapon. It doesn't make sense to give him a melee weapon as it clashes with all his other weapons.

Soldier uses plenty of sharp edged melee weapons. So does the demoman. They can easily fit with a crowbar. Medic usually uses medical themed weapons, so a crowbar doesn't really fit in there. Sniper MAY be able to get away with the crowbar, but most of their weapons are styled on a "Machette/Kukiri" themed weapon. Pyro clearly is focused on Fire-Brigade styled weaponry, hence the large amount of axes at his/her disposal. A crowbar COULD fit in there. Scout... eh sure, seems reasonable.

There you go. There is logic for you all.

Have you used all-class weapons though?

if you did, you can shut up from now.

I don't think there even is an all-class weapon. Go inspect your spy loadout when you have an "all class" weapon in your backpack. Tell me if you can equip it to your spy. IF you can equip anything but your spy knives, ill shut up.

Otherwise, admit im right.

now this seems more like a promo item when HL3 or Half-life episode 3 comes out. i could see this acting like a saxxy

Originally posted by Ninjahedge|MyU:

It would only work for those that could actually LIFT a crowbar!
Demo
Soldier
Heavy
MAYBE Engie (hell, it's a TOOL!)

But not Medic, Sniper or Spy.... Who did I miss... I know I will remember after posting!


Ah Pyro....


Nope!

Scout can lift a giant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sign and the Medic can wield a solid marble bust of Hippocrates as easily as a roughly 10 pound bonesaw. I can ALMOST see it not being a Spy weapon, but it could work. I see this as a Stock reskin, not a completely new weapon.

Originally posted by TF2 kids need to goto school:

Originally posted by DFS StormishJustice:

Have you used all-class weapons though?

if you did, you can shut up from now.

I don't think there even is an all-class weapon. Go inspect your spy loadout when you have an "all class" weapon in your backpack. Tell me if you can equip it to your spy. IF you can equip anything but your spy knives, ill shut up.

Otherwise, admit im right.

I've got three words for you. Golden Frying Pan. ALL the classes can use it. Sure not everyone has one, but it is an all class weapon.

Originally posted by PlasmaPsychosis:

Originally posted by Ninjahedge|MyU:

It would only work for those that could actually LIFT a crowbar!
Demo
Soldier
Heavy
MAYBE Engie (hell, it's a TOOL!)

But not Medic, Sniper or Spy.... Who did I miss... I know I will remember after posting!


Ah Pyro....


Nope!

Scout can lift a giant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sign and the Medic can wield a solid marble bust of Hippocrates as easily as a roughly 10 pound bonesaw. I can ALMOST see it not being a Spy weapon, but it could work. I see this as a Stock reskin, not a completely new weapon.

Have you held a crowbar before? It is quite heavy, weighing about 6 KG from memory.

Originally posted by PlasmaPsychosis:

Originally posted by TF2 kids need to goto school:

I don't think there even is an all-class weapon. Go inspect your spy loadout when you have an "all class" weapon in your backpack. Tell me if you can equip it to your spy. IF you can equip anything but your spy knives, ill shut up.

Otherwise, admit im right.

I've got three words for you. Golden Frying Pan. ALL the classes can use it. Sure not everyone has one, but it is an all class weapon.

Promotional item. Any other weapons?

Originally posted by TF2 kids need to goto school:

Originally posted by DFS StormishJustice:

Have you used all-class weapons though?

if you did, you can shut up from now.

I don't think there even is an all-class weapon. Go inspect your spy loadout when you have an "all class" weapon in your backpack. Tell me if you can equip it to your spy. IF you can equip anything but your spy knives, ill shut up.

Otherwise, admit im right.

There is the Golden pan for ALL 9 classes (I don't think you can build anything nor backstab a guy with it)

Originally posted by Nazariel:

Originally posted by TF2 kids need to goto school:

I don't think there even is an all-class weapon. Go inspect your spy loadout when you have an "all class" weapon in your backpack. Tell me if you can equip it to your spy. IF you can equip anything but your spy knives, ill shut up.

Otherwise, admit im right.

There is the Golden pan for ALL 9 classes (I don't think you can build anything nor backstab a guy with it)

Which means it blocks that class' unique feature. Something I think you will find valve only will allow because... as i said... promotional item.

Anyway, I'm done here. You are all morons, and keep saying "OH BUT THIS ONE PROMOTIONAL ITEM WAS ALL CLASS SO WHY CANT THIS ORDINARY WORKSHOP ITEM BE ALL CLASS" and some of you have such pathetic reasoning, such as crowbar for building stuff... my god goto school ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Hey isnt this weapon called "Free-man"? Get it?

Look at the heavy. ALL of his melee weapons are gloves/fists. (Killing Gloves of Boxing, that bear fist thing, Gloves of Running Urgently... etc) Not once does he lift a melee weapon. It doesn't make sense to give him a melee weapon as it clashes with all his other weapons.

ok (TF2 kids need to goto school) i get what your saying but the heavy CAN hold a train crossing sign so i think it fits and tf2 dosent have lots of logic so i can see building with a crowbar as well i mean its a tool. And if your talking logic my friend how can somone build by hiting something with a wench or a hammer (necro smasher) or building with a trophy or even a golden frying pan!

Crowbar on a sentry seems logical in a way..

Originally posted by TF2 kids need to goto school:

Ok, lets work on something more logical (not in a literal sense).

Look at other Engineer weapons: Wrenches (and that robot glove). Theme is clearly mechanical, with focus on a wrench. A crowbar does not fit in this theme.

Look at the spy. The spy is supposed to be subtle. A crowbar is about as subtle as a truck slamming into a china shop. No way the crowbar can go for that.

Look at the heavy. ALL of his melee weapons are gloves/fists. (Killing Gloves of Boxing, that bear fist thing, Gloves of Running Urgently... etc) Not once does he lift a melee weapon. It doesn't make sense to give him a melee weapon as it clashes with all his other weapons.

Engineer-Necro Smasher. It's a hammer.
Spy-Saxxy and Golden Frying Pan.
Heavy-Every single all class melee.

Point conceded, most all-class weapons weapons are not for Spy and Engineer. Just remember that it is possible for them to be.

And nah, I'm not singling you out, TF2 kids. Your comment just contained all the points I wanted to counter-argue.

Come on your really going to lower our chances for the Spy? The Spy barely gets an all class weapons.

Originally posted by Mama Luigi:

Come on your really going to lower our chances for the Spy? The Spy barely gets an all class weapons.

In-fact he only gets 2 or 3.