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Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 15 Mei 2024 @ 11:58am
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Anything that's not bug report. You suggestions, ideas, feelings, etc about ♥♥♥ script.
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Not enough gets said about how great your script is, excellent job. If you started a patreon or something I'd certainly donate money for you to keep it up and running.
I wonder, would it be possible for you to more evenly distribute the gold among the bots? Oftentimes I have a situation where the enemy carry has like 900 gpm, and the rest of the team all has like 400. I think a good idea would be to get the pos 1 to around 600 gpm, mid and offlane around 500, and then supports around 350. Also, I had the bug today where the carry (an ursa) didnt buy any items.
Best,
Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 10 Jul 2024 @ 1:48pm 
Thanks @Hendrix213!

If you want to buy me a coffee, you can find a link on the Workshop content.

About Fretbots bonus. It’s kind of by design at the moment. Please note that the more high skilled players you have in the human player team, the more bonus the enemy bots will get because the bots get bonus that’s dynamically adjusted based on the player with the same role on the other team.

But I also agree that it’s not very good or intuitive strategy, will find time and better strategy later to improve the bonus amount to all bots.
SeaGnome 11 Jul 2024 @ 7:35am 
Huge fan of the script overall! I've been using it with a friend for a while and it's so much better than the other ♥♥♥ options we've tried. However, I've been playing more solo recently, and it seems like the (allied) position 5 bots act kind of unhinged? Stuff like Lich using Q on cooldown on the creep wave, Shadow Demon contesting my CS, Chen power feeding. It's like they can't detect that I'm also in lane, maybe?
Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 11 Jul 2024 @ 7:35pm 
Diposting pertama kali oleh SeaGnome:
Huge fan of the script overall! I've been using it with a friend for a while and it's so much better than the other ♥♥♥ options we've tried. However, I've been playing more solo recently, and it seems like the (allied) position 5 bots act kind of unhinged? Stuff like Lich using Q on cooldown on the creep wave, Shadow Demon contesting my CS, Chen power feeding. It's like they can't detect that I'm also in lane, maybe?

Aha i sometimes see this as well and forgot about it every time after the game. thanks for reminder. You will get it in the next release. Tomorrow or weekend.

Will fix it for: Lich, shadow shaman, orga. Let me know what are others, i dont want to go throu all heroes to find.
What do you mean by: "Shadow Demon contesting my CS, Chen power feeding"
Terakhir diedit oleh Yggdrasil; 11 Jul 2024 @ 7:37pm
SeaGnome 11 Jul 2024 @ 8:22pm 
Sure, to be specific, every pos 5 I've played with the last few days while I was pos 1 behaved pretty strangely.

Lich spammed Q on cooldown on the wave and sometimes used frost armor immediately after, despite no enemies engaging on him

Shadow Demon would regularly try to get the last hit on almost every creep, and would constantly push the lane with shadow poison

Chen would summon his baby centaur from the facet, send it in for one auto attack on the enemy heroes, and then let it die. He'd then walk up to right click the enemy heroes and die when they fought back.

Winter Wyvern would consistently push the wave with ice shards without any obvious timing or reason. She also does the same thing as Chen, and will walk towards the (nearly full health) enemy to right click them (not even casting Q) and die when they fought back.
Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 12 Jul 2024 @ 12:38pm 
I will see what I can improve. Won’t do for all the complaints you have for now because some of those are related to the default ♥♥♥ behaviors from Valve, we can’t simply change those without severely impacting functionality in other scenarios. But the spell usage can definitely be improved
SeaGnome 13 Jul 2024 @ 4:56am 
Super understandable, thanks! Luckily I'm able to avoid most of it most of the time because I usually lane with a friend!
It seems like the 'X' ping to command the bots to not steal your rune has been removed in one of the patches. Can it be restored in a future patch?
Also, it seems that players are not able to command the bots to go take Roshan anymore.
Terakhir diedit oleh Multi-talented Baldy; 24 Jul 2024 @ 8:43am
Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 25 Jul 2024 @ 12:56pm 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Multi-talented Baldy:
It seems like the 'X' ping to command the bots to not steal your rune has been removed in one of the patches. Can it be restored in a future patch?
Also, it seems that players are not able to command the bots to go take Roshan anymore.


Hmm I added some ping reactions in the past, removed some in a few patches back, and then added those back in recent patch yesterday. But I personally didn’t do a thorough testing for pings. Please upgrade your version. And let me know if the problem still exists
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Diposting pertama kali oleh Multi-talented Baldy:
It seems like the 'X' ping to command the bots to not steal your rune has been removed in one of the patches. Can it be restored in a future patch?
Also, it seems that players are not able to command the bots to go take Roshan anymore.


Hmm I added some ping reactions in the past, removed some in a few patches back, and then added those back in recent patch yesterday. But I personally didn’t do a thorough testing for pings. Please upgrade your version. And let me know if the problem still exists
1. Ping commands for bots to move at start of the game is no longer working.
2. Roshan pings do not work at all. None of the bots go to rosh pit despite being in the side lane near to the pit.
3. Commanding them to push or def lanes still somewhat works when using the ping on towers.

Also, for some reason, supports like CM and Treant stop buying obs wards after laning.
Terakhir diedit oleh Multi-talented Baldy; 25 Jul 2024 @ 11:48pm
Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 26 Jul 2024 @ 1:46am 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Multi-talented Baldy:
1. Ping commands for bots to move at start of the game is no longer working.
2. Roshan pings do not work at all. None of the bots go to rosh pit despite being in the side lane near to the pit.
3. Commanding them to push or def lanes still somewhat works when using the ping on towers.

Also, for some reason, supports like CM and Treant stop buying obs wards after laning.

You are right. fixed the ping in new patch
Hollow 29 Jul 2024 @ 6:36pm 
The AI works best with auto attack heroes. For anything that requires strategy it doesn't have the wits. Especially with squishy heroes that should keep their distance the AI dies in massive numbers compared to auto attackers or easy to play click-i-win-button(s)-now heroes.

There's also an apparent focus & ignorance towards human players:
Early game if 2 enemy heroes chase after me I can make them walk right next to my ally, who doesn't even auto attack them or anything to deter them and help me. Often if I join a fight the bots will redirect their attacks, spell and disables onto me, without that making sense.
So I have allies that don't support and enemies that focus me.

Bots also don't know how to use neutral items or which to use.

Due to not integrating the human player into their team my "allies" often refuse tower defense, as they might feel outnumbered. Just had a game where the enemy pushed all 3 mid towers in a row plus the 2 ancient def towers just because my allies first failed to even appear to def the 2 mid towers, then fed twice during base defense because they piled up against a team with 2 area damage heroes, during which one ♥♥♥ was solo farming the entire time and while we got our sh*t pushed in.

I noticed some unhealthy behavior with the bots decision making:
-they will often chose fights at enemy towers, at night, while being outnumbered but DON'T use their towers to gain an advantage in defense: they either don't defend or appear too late
-casters will keep trying to push even if they have little to no mana and no means of mana regeneration ready in the near future
-sole bots will sometimes keep pushing with almost no health left, even if the enemy is pushing there and outnumbering the sole ♥♥♥ - this is just straight up feeding; looks like some early game farming script didn't get dropped when it needed to: once enemies get their ultimates, disables and talents ready bots need to stop acting as if they're still playing a game in which everyone is still below level 6 and doesn't have proper items
-allied bots will fight to the death at enemy towers instead of retreating early (it's not a danger zone they're trying to avoid)
-early game allies die to the same nonsense over and over again and feed a lot that way instead of dropping risky tactics and playing safe; they also seem to have no memory for what happened that killed them, being unable to recognize the same patterns being played again and again; example: 2 enemies with either stun or slow or a mix of both and the ally trying to get away at too low HP to achieve that instead of playing safe to not get farmed like that

In general all ranged heroes need some information for the prefered min-max distance range (modified by +range items) they're trying to keep for a safe playstyle and those that require some wits to be played need to really learn not to burn their defensive skills at the first chance or slightest inconvenience: If a ♥♥♥ uses the glimmer cape it should either be to channel a spell or to get to safety (instead of reappearing while it's on cooldown).

Bots do ignore the bounty too much too: I've had it in multiple games now where they'd just not pick it up while the enemy bots are willing to travel a long distance route to one, regularly check or are sometimes even there before it spawns. Seeing how the enemy is so well capable of that but allies aren't I'm 100% sure it has to be related to the human player in their team somehow causing this behavior. They almost never grab river runes as well.
Terakhir diedit oleh Hollow; 29 Jul 2024 @ 6:40pm
Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 29 Jul 2024 @ 7:15pm 
Great callouts about the ranged hero behavior, that annoys me as well but I had to update other stuff didnt had the time for this part. This is especially true when the enemy is can not be attacked like being blown up by the cyclone. Maybe I will have time next month to look into in what mode the bots like to walk close to enemy and in what mode is the best to make them keep a fair distance without causing them going back and forth without dealing damage.

About ally rune picking behavior or other behaviors. I’m sorry to hear that but you can choose to ping the target enemy , when allies are close the enemy, to help you out if they are not responsive.
The bots won’t pick wisdom rune if there is a human player in the team, just get the run for yourself. Because i go mid a lot and enjoy picking runes myself. That’s kind of a personal preference, but i think most (over 50%) people would prefer to pick up wisdom rune themselves instead of bots stealing it. I may find time to have a better strategy and implement it later.
can you make it support ability draft?
Yggdrasil  [pengembang] 2 Agu 2024 @ 2:14am 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Tea pirate殺:
can you make it support ability draft?

maybe 2025 project
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