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Epic Boss Fight (Discontinued)
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GFL Dec 28, 2016 @ 6:33am
Strategy For Latest Patch ( 28 Dec 2016 )
So sorry if i post it on new Discussion
i look up at Strategic Talk Discussion, but everyone post on short paragraph.
I know this one gonna be a lot of paragraphs, so here i am, starting new discussion thread.
Feel free to join the discussion if you want to add / share your strategy as well.

This strategy works and tested on Imposible ( Both Legendary and Epic Difficulty ) according to latest update

1. Tank Strategy
Main Idea : Your only job is to make sure "your team have more time dealing damage to enemy instead of running / reviving"

Stand strong and taking all enemy damage without dying is one way of tanking, but it's practically impossible at Early game if you're playing epic / legendary.
Because enemies can have Passive Skills that might destroy you, and at early game , u wont have the luxury to buy Good Tank Items.

Instead of just pick Random STR heroes and Standing Strong
Learn how to kite the enemy and running around while making sure that your team can still doing damage to the enemy.
or Pick Heroes that has Abilities so enemies will get Stunned or Rooted or Chase you only and your team can still doing damage to the enemy.

And also, don't forget to stay alive as long as you can. Buying Force boots and Buying Blink boots is essential , at least for my strategy.
Here's Why, i always be a solo tanker, everyone else got low hp and focus on their job which is supporting or dealing damage to enemy, and they all depends on me, if i die, and the enemy is on range rounds or somehow the enemy have more mobility, we usually will lose that round

I recommend you to pick axe
Since axe have berseker call skills, i can aggro enemy to chase me.
His culling dunk is pretty cheat too, when enemy hp is <25% , you can cull it to death.
Also you got 50% damage reduction buff if you successfully culling enemy to death for a limited duration. Which enable you to stand strong for awhile.

I only recommend axe and not other heroes because i feel other heroes not really suits my play style. I hope other would like to share their tank strategy here using another heroes to beat legendary / epic on imposible mode.

2. Carry Early to Mid
Main Idea : your only job is to make sure you can clear those early round until those Late Carry Player is ready.

Let's face it, if you play on impossible starting from heroic until epic ( double spawn enemy ), you might find that round 3 ( The Boss Zombie ) can spawned like 4 / 6, i forgot.
Your Tank probably will die if they stand strong tanking, which results to your team normal damage is reduced around 50% since all of you need to hit and run and revive and so on.

Your Late Carry probably wont even have items to actually dealing significant damage to Those boss zombies, since they can heal themselves.

And you are the only hope to clear those round 3.

I recommend you to pick " Leshrac , Tinker "
I strongly do not recommend you to pick any agi heroes as most of them are so ♥♥♥♥ without items at round 3, and would probably make your public teammates quit the game.
There's probably some other int heroes that i haven't tried that probably suits this category, but those 2 ( in my opinion ) are the best to clear early game.

Leshrac with his ult and his stun , you probably die a lot on round 3 boss zombie if you depends only on your ult since they can use magic skills and kill you straight if your hp < 1500, and the stun radius get bigger and bigger each level you have which helps your tank to stay strong a little longer.

Tinker can use skil 3 rearm and blink dagger + force boots to keep aggro the round 3 to him and keep dealing damage.
Rearming blink dagger + force boots also enable you to kite the enemy to top left or top right until they are so far from your team's tombstone, then you can easily rez them 1 by 1

Important note for you :
Make sure your team knows what you are doing, if you're playing pubs, they don't know that you are actually dealing damage and able to kill the early game. Communicate with them, tell them to be patient a little bit on higher difficulty, because that's how it is.

Kite enemy, Run, use Spells from far.
if you're dead, ask them to rez you, and dont forgot to revive your team so if you accidentally died, they can rez you back and keep the cycles until the round is cleared.

I would say that in my opinion , mid game is around Nyx Round.
Why is that? Let's go to point 3

3. Carry Mid to Late Game
Main Idea : Make sure you can carry your team to actually WIN the game

By that, i mean you need to be efficient and effective according my Midas Strategy on the point number 4

And, learn how each boss at each round spell actually works and how to deal with it.

I recommend " Techies, Enigma, Treant Protector, Skywrath Mage " as for the Mage Category, and probably " Life Stealer " as hitter category.

These heroes , in my opinion are the strongest and if you play it well, you don't really need anyone to carry you ( look point 4 about carry NG+ ) to carry you on NG+

Techies ult is the strongest spells i've know so far,
at least after Invoker got nerfed because the round is shorter now.
buy refresher orb so that you can use ult 2 times and you practically deal 80% of enemy max health - 100% of enemy max health.
keep Run until cooldown is ready and you probably can solo most of the rounds.

Enigma skil 2 also works almost the same as Techies ult, dealing based on enemy max hp, it's just you probably need a big octarine core upgrade to get 5s cooldown on his skil 2 , by then he can be so powerful to kill POWERFUL enemies fast.

Treant Protector little tree have the same logic as Enigma skil 2

Skywrath mage, his ult is pure damage if u use aghanim, and have multiple skil 1 if you have aghanim. skil 1 based on int, so the more int you get, the more damage u deal.

All those mages , i recommend to buy Spectral Staff + divine core as soon as you can
Because those items enabled you to stay permanent Ghost. ( Duration of Ghost Status is longer than the cooldown ) , which means The only way enemy can kill you if you keep spamming the Spectral Staff is by using Spells, and most of Enemy spells easily to dodged.

I also recommen life stealer since he got feast that deals according to enemy health % , which kinda helps a lot in doom round.

Because doom bosses probably would be the hardest ( in my opinion, legendary imposible , doom round before NG+ , can easily owned your tank / your team if your team dont know what to do )

4. Carry NG+
If you play heroes like sniper / enchantress / drow ranger / Shadow fiend / Medusa / any carry hero in normal dota2, probably would only be able to help teams after NG+
The only things they can help before NG+ probably are
Reviving teammates, buying midas fury to boost teammate's interest, hit the evil core fast.

This kind of heroes would probably not really helpful starting from Nyx round until Evil Core before NG+
and do little damage starting from broodmother, because in my opinion, Late Game Mages with Spectrall Staff like techies will do most of the damage

But, once we're talking NG+, where usually they already / on the way to have Bahamut Claw + Wicked Fury
These heroes are the best, they can just stand on the ground and literally press "A" to the floor and everyone else just going AFK.
They hit hard and able to clear the round very fast because NG+ are the only time they are counted as helpful a lot.

although, there are few rounds where the enemy is too strong and probably you'll need the help of the Late Game Mages or probably Tanker help. ( Once again, most tanker would probably die if they stand strong on NG+ Legendary/Epic Imposible without asura items or even with asura items )
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GFL Dec 28, 2016 @ 6:33am 
5. Midas Strategy
Midas Item is now Changed, if you are an old player that used to buy midas at early game so everyone get the midas gold,
You need to realize, hand of midas , midas hammer , and shoemoney hammer now works individually.
If no one buy it and only you buy it, you still got the same gold as if everyone buy it.

Side Note : 28 Dec 2016, Hand of Midas on imposible Legendary does not Generate midas gold, i dont know why, probably just a bug.

My Strategy on Midas :

a. DO NOT BUY MIDAS HAMMER if you play Tank at round 1 / round 2 with 7 lives / even round 3 with 7 lives ( later i call this the start of the game )

you are wasting 1k gold ( which almost gives u heart of tarasq to tank for your team , and probably would kill you and your team as well , which cost you a lot of lives )
Keep in mind, you might regret to die on Round where none of the boss have no passive skills , and when the round reset because you die, there's massive or piercing passive skills or far seer coming

b. if you play not as a tank, careful when buying a midas hammer, you must analyze the capacity of your team, if you are playing as 5 friends on same party, and you guys decided to let you get all midas gold from the start, then it's a good idea to buy midas hammer at the start of the game. but if you're not, you probably might want to buy force boots instead.
See the Mobility Strategy on the point number 6

c. Rushing shoemoney hammer is not a good idea.
Some of you might not like maths, but bare with it for a while, i calculated already for you, you just have to read it.
Shoemoney Recipe cost 3k.
Midas hammer interest is 10% of your current gold.
Shoemoney hammer interest is 15% of your current gold.
Limit of Midas gold Each Round is 150 * Round
Let's say you got 4k current gold + 1 midas hammer , your interest would be 400 for that round if you not rushing shoemoney hammer
But , if you got 4k current gold , and you buy shoemoney hammer, this is what happens
Your current gold is now 4k - 3k which is 1k
and your shoemoney interest is 1k * 15% = 150 gold.
Try to calculate your own time, when you should buy midas hammer to be more effective in getting the interest,
But, if you're too lazy to do that, just buy shoemoney hammer when you have around 9k gold , since 10% of 9k ( using only midas hammer ) is 900 , and if you buy shoemoney at 9k which means ur current gold now is 6k, and 15% of 6k is also 900

d. This is the most important part of midas strategy, IF YOU DECIDED TO BUY MIDAS HAMMER and/or its upgrade, make sure the interest you got for that round is not too small or else it's a waste to buy a midas hammer.
after you read point 5c, you would know how midas gold interest works.

Try to remember what round you should buy what items and what round you should save gold for interest, so that you are not being too weak to actually beat the round, but you still have some gold to spare for midas gold interest.

Some of you probably know that current update vs previous update is the round is now shorter than it used to.
At level 20 on last update , you probably already have A + B + C +D
now that it's shorter , you probably only have A + B + C
that's how midas gold interest might actually helps you beating legendary / epic on this update.

e. Buying midas fury is not a bad idea if you know your teams.
As i said before, Some heroes probably are so useless before NG+ , and they can only help, Sure they can spend all their gold to buy damage item, but before NG+, those heroes would not be able to kill Necro / Doom / Broodmother / Aeon / Aether alone , and they might need other heroes to help them.
So, instead of spending all gold only to be "NOT REALLY HELPFUL" , you should reach your best items FASTER by saving gold for midas interest.
While you're doing that, why dont you buy midas fury also, since midas fury gives all teammates midas gold interest ACCORDING to your current gold * 15%.
by doing that, you are helping your team a lot, they dont have to save gold anymore because you actually giving them a big midas gold interest, and 1 extra slot for them in inventory for other items

But, please remember, if you're playing public ( you are not a 3 - 5 stack party ), not everyone knows how to carry a game, especially strategy that i mention on point number 3, and not everyone is a good tank.
So you might want to help them clear the waves before your tanker is dead and forgot this point number 5e.

f. Maximizing Midas Gold each Round.
as i said before on point c, each round got max capacity midas gold u can get, which is Round * 150.

So, to make it easy for you, if you want to have MAXIMIZE MIDAS GOLD EACH ROUND, and you got shoemoney hammer already, keep in mind to always have gold MINIMAL 1000 * (Level round)

Example : U have shoemoney hammer already and now is round 12, your current gold should be minimal 12k gold.
When you clear the round 12, you probably will have 13k - 17k gold at the beginning of round 13. and make sure you got minimal 13k gold for round 13, and so on
It's as simple as that to get maximize midas gold each round.

6. Mobility Strategy
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND buying force boots for all hero
Why?
because at higher difficulty, your team would likely to die
5 people on imposible mode, if 4 of them are dead and you're the only one alive, how do you revive them?
You can't afford to buy smoke each round.
What you can do is buying force boots and try to Force Boots Rez them, by doing these steps : aim your hero facing the tombstone, know the distance of force boots, and press h to hold the ground so you're not moving or aiming to enemies, and press the force boots so your hero will move towards tombstone and probably will pass through the tombstone.
As soon as you press the force boots ( before the force boots is stopped ) try right click the tombstone that you pass through.
by doing that, your ally will be revived and you probably have 1 / 3 seconds more to rez your team before the enemy hit you.

Would be even better if you could Force boots Rez to uphil / downhill , so enemy would need to go around the wall before they hit you, and most of the time, your ally already revived and the enemy hasn't even reached you yet.

Another op boots is Blink Boots ( force boots can be upgraded to blink boots )
you always have 3 charges of blink boots , and if you know how to use it well, you can basically blink to the bottom right edge of the map to top left edge of the map in 4 - 5 charges.
Which probably would be helpful if you're the only one alive on late game.
Just go to top left edge of the map, and wait for the enemy to come closer to you
Make sure you know enemy's attack range, and move your view so you are not seeing your hero, instead you are seeing your friend's tombstone, then try to blink 3 times before the enemy hit you.

Chances are you will not getting attacked, and you will reach one of your allies tombstone which gives you enough time to revive your allies without you getting chopped down by the enemy.

7. Spectrall Staff Strategy
This item is so special, and i decided to make 1 point Strategy just for this item.

This is an item where i can't search on search box.
But if you want to find it, you can see the Upgrades Tab, or you can try search "Ghost Scepter" and try to see the max upgrade of ghost scepter.
( Same logic as you can buy blades of attack and keep upgrading it until daedalus )

The first time i saw someone buy it, i dont know what it does, until he used it , and i know how op this item is.
You basically only need spiritual core to get this item to 5s cooldown and it has 5s duration, which makes you Ghost Status Forever if you keep spam it.

With divine core, u got 3s cooldown and 5s duration

With this item , you can't attack, or can't be attacked, but you can cast spells.
the only way enemy can kill you is using spells, which in epic boss fight, most enemies spells are pretty easy to be dodged using blink boots.
Just learn the pattern, or ask someone who knows about the pattern on each round.

If you are able to dodge spells, and you can't be attacked, and you are playing heroes that has a strong spells, you theoretically just won the game.

I can say so many things about spectral staff, but i decided to share my experience about doom boss and spectral staff
Keep in mind, if you are too near ( doom can use doom on you if you are too near ) , so aether lens v2 or v3 might helps the process of owning the game.
and if you're far from the doom, and all other teammates are dead already, the doom will just stand there and ignoring you completely when you are on ghost status.
But once you forget to press the spectral staff that makes you Not in ghost status, the doom will keep on chasing you even after you press spectral staff again.
So, keep spam the staff, that's the key

8. Team Strategy
To beat harder difficulty, i would say you need at least 3 good people whether in same party or not.
( Because i can beat legend with 3 people where 2 dc on round 4, sry can't remember when they dc-ed )
( and i beat epic with 4 people only, we start with 4 people )
But finding 3 good people is hard,
Not all of us playing on internet cafe or have friends that are playing epic boss where we can add them to our party to play epic boss fight.
So, what i suggest to you, is do what i did.
I always play on impossible as tank, to let them know i am worthy to be played with.
add them as friend and play with them next game or next time.

Be patient, finding good teammates is not easy, but when you find at least 2 good person other than you, game is like ez pz.

Good luck , have fun.
Will update if i remember new strategy i haven't posted yet.
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76561198051628493 Dec 28, 2016 @ 7:20am 
Nice tutorials.
But i do suggesting make a good tutorial again when its on stabled and not broken patches.
Last edited by F_D_Throne; Dec 28, 2016 @ 7:21am
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Tomrock Dec 28, 2016 @ 11:26am 
Originally posted by SoZe:
Nice tutorials.
But i do suggesting make a good tutorial again when its on stabled and not broken patches.
Makes Sense10/10
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Tomrock Dec 28, 2016 @ 11:28am 
btw viper,am,huskar,mana fiend,void are the hardest late game carries and can ♥♥♥♥ bosses solo. due too their excessively good scaling with the shimmer rose and sctye of vyse and core upgrades.
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