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Socratease Feb 4, 2023 @ 4:49pm
CTD when hiring Mercenary Captains
I've done all the troubleshooting I can think of. I've verified the game's files. I've re-downloaded the mod multiple times. I've launched with the community mod manager (the up-to-date one that's linked on the Troubleshooting page).

Mod list: Southern Realms, Mixer, Better Camera Mod, and Mod Configuration Tool [Legacy].

I'm playing Lucrezzia. Every time I try to hire a Mercenary Captain, the game stalls for a moment, then freezes, displaying the notifications of a successful hire. After another moment, the game crashes to desktop. Near as I can tell, the Mercenary Captain doesn't actually spawn on the campaign map.

Since this is reproducible, here's a dropbox link to the save file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jtdvgh45290atro/Bilbali.312871862497.save?dl=0

I've tried hiring a Captain in multiple different cities, occupied and unoccupied.

Can some kind soul try loading up the save, going to any city with the active commandment that lets you hire Mercenary Captains, try to hire one, and see if it crashes? If it works for someone else, that would at least tell me it's probably a borked file or something on my end.
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Cataph  [developer] Feb 5, 2023 @ 12:16pm 
quoting a user for brevity

go to AppData\Roaming\The Creative Assembly\Warhammer3\saved_characters and delete anytihng you have there. That is the most likely issue.
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Cataph  [developer] Feb 5, 2023 @ 12:23pm 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068118794553282610/1071888743608373258/20230205212239_1.jpg
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Kim bosong Feb 5, 2023 @ 10:50pm 
same problem here. hiring and detaching Mercenary Captains give me CTD. i will test further to find reason.

test result:
new campaign had no problem. loading save causes CTD when recruiting or detaching Mercenary captain.

there is no saved_characters in warhammer3 folder.

mod list : mixer, mct, and this mod.

edit : midium and higher option on 'unit detail' graphic option fixes CTD now.
Last edited by Kim bosong; Feb 6, 2023 @ 9:02am
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Kim bosong Feb 5, 2023 @ 11:08pm 
test routine : load save(only required mods) -> hiring Mercenary captain or detaching Mercenary captain from army-> CTD.

Important note: new campaign doesn't give CTD. loading existing save gives CTD when hiring Mercenary captain or detaching Mercenary captain from army. if you want to test bug and CTD, save and load it again.
Last edited by Kim bosong; Feb 5, 2023 @ 11:20pm
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Cataph  [developer] Feb 6, 2023 @ 1:04am 
Don't know what to tell you, if it was the mod's problem it would do it all the time. I could spawn a captain on a save that presumably would crash all the time.

Check if the same happens on any agent. Verify game, check for movie packs, even reinstall, I don't know. Delete other save games if you have too many, as they tend to cripple the game on the long run. Say which DLCs you don't have if any, because last time that caused a bug that sent us looping for a day.
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Socratease Feb 6, 2023 @ 5:59am 
I tried starting a new campaign, and I was able to hire a Mercenary Captain with no problem! I'll keep playing this campaign and see if anything breaks. All the other agents worked fine on my previous one.

Same as Kim bosong, I have no saved characters. The only DLC I don't have is The Warden & The Paunch.

Thank you for checking in! I appreciate it.
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Socratease Feb 6, 2023 @ 6:10am 
Huh. Interesting. Hiring a Mercenary Captain at rank 4 has no problem. But if I take the +2 to Mercenary Captain recruitment rank perk and then hire one, I crash.

So it looks like the issue is specific to hiring a Mercenary Captain at at least rank 6. Maybe connected to the captain being mounted?

EDIT: Whoops. They're also mounted at rank 4. So it's definitely not that.
Last edited by Socratease; Feb 6, 2023 @ 6:29am
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Kim bosong Feb 6, 2023 @ 6:23am 
@socratease

what language do you use in window OS? what's your system locale?
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Socratease Feb 6, 2023 @ 6:30am 
Originally posted by Kim bosong:
@socratease

what language do you use in window OS? what's your system locale?

English language, but I'm in Iceland.
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Kim bosong Feb 6, 2023 @ 6:35am 
@cataph
i have all of DLC w1,w2,w3.
detaching and hiring hero from vanilla race doesn't give me CTD.
i am finding exact reason and how to fix this right now in every way.
Last edited by Kim bosong; Feb 6, 2023 @ 6:36am
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Socratease Feb 6, 2023 @ 6:52am 
So it looks like this is something that only happens when I *load* a campaign. Starting a new campaign? I can hire a Mercenary Captain no problem.

Load the same campaign, then try to hire a Mercenary Captain? CTD. Hire a Captain, save the game, then try to load that save? CTD.

Weird.
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Kim bosong Feb 6, 2023 @ 7:18am 
Originally posted by Socratease:
So it looks like this is something that only happens when I *load* a campaign. Starting a new campaign? I can hire a Mercenary Captain no problem.

Load the same campaign, then try to hire a Mercenary Captain? CTD. Hire a Captain, save the game, then try to load that save? CTD.

Weird.
yes. new campaign don't give you CTD. load campaign give you CTD. that's what i found so far...
i tested english system locale(about character decode). it's not the case. this crash isn't related to system locale(language)

i will test deleting all my %appdata% and report soon.
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Kim bosong Feb 6, 2023 @ 8:34am 
@Cataph

I found CTD cause fanally! unfortunately it's the model of this mod problem. it's related to graphic option. low graphic option and this mod make CTD when you recruit Mercenary Captain(MC). it seems to be LOD of graphic model issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_detail_(computer_graphics)

how to reproduce:
1. set low option on 'unit detail' graphic.
2. load save.
3. recruit MC or detaching MC from army make CTD.

maximum option on 'unit detail' graphic option fixes CTD now.

edit : midium, high , ultra unit detail options are fine. no CTD. only low unit detail graphic option make CTD when recruit or detaching.

Originally posted by Cataph:
Don't know what to tell you, if it was the mod's problem it would do it all the time. I could spawn a captain on a save that presumably would crash all the time.

Check if the same happens on any agent. Verify game, check for movie packs, even reinstall, I don't know. Delete other save games if you have too many, as they tend to cripple the game on the long run. Say which DLCs you don't have if any, because last time that caused a bug that sent us looping for a day.
Last edited by Kim bosong; Feb 6, 2023 @ 8:51am
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Cataph  [developer] Feb 6, 2023 @ 9:04am 
oooooooook, I'm actually able to repro that.

Now, as to why that happens, I have no bloody clue.

And they are alright in actual battle?
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Cataph  [developer] Feb 6, 2023 @ 9:14am 
Found it!

One of the accessories shared by the captains, the bandolier, had LODs badly generated by the tool and half of them were completely missing. I guess that annoys the campaign viewer into a CTD instead of just showing nothing.

Kudos for isolating it to that setting.
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