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Vattende Nov 29, 2022 @ 11:30pm
Sexual orientation
So since Biotech is out i did lot tests around the new implemented children, and all going with them. I have set-up different colonies, with baseliners, and with Xenos, on standart maps and dev-maps for quick runs. Realy lot games with different set-up.

Only romance mod used it Way Better Romance, no mixt with any other mods like this.

Now what i experimented, and this with all kind of mod-settings, slider all to the right, all to the left, with the end-result, that... well there are not much changes. Sure, traits will change, but behaviors much less.

I saw this today again, when i got two different message caused by "proposal rejected", and checked the case. All two had straight protagonist trying to propose marriage to same gender, and clearly was rejected each time. This looks bit strange to me.

Fimal experience and observations, what ever settings are for gender orientation, all pawns seems still bi/gay, nobody is straights, this is just for the form. Understand me well, nothing against this, also i know that current tendency in games is more "everybody is queer, bi, les etc.".
Fine ! But for kids this isn't still the easiest solution, not to speak about eventual player preferences maybe to.

I put this issue as discussion because hard to post a word-wall like this in comment, and i hope to get some insight, and discussion, and not just stupid steam-jokes.

Otherwise, like several times said in my comments, great active mod, but this seems like a little issue when it comes to realistic settings that are working like intented.

PS : english is my third language, this being said. ;)
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divineDerivative  [developer] Dec 5, 2022 @ 11:46am 
Sorry, I didn't get any kind of notification about a discussion being posted.

I'm afraid I don't really understand what issue you're experiencing. A straight male pawn will not propose marriage to a male pawn, but he may propose marriage to a gay female pawn. If it wasn't marriage, there are circumstances which can lead to an interaction with the wrong gender. This is intended and can happen if pawns are bored or don't have anyone of the correct gender to interact with.

Regarding the orientations, changing the settings will only effect new pawns, it won't change anything for existing pawns. So for best results, you need to change the settings before starting a new game. You can always use Character Editor to change the traits if you don't like the orientations in an existing game.

Additionally, if you have any race mods that include a patch for Way Better Romance, they can set orientation chances that will override user settings for that race. I have plans to make race settings visible and eventually adjustable by the user, but in the meantime you can always edit the xml patch for the race mod.

If none of this addresses your issues, please provide more detailed information about what exactly you're experiencing. If you think something is broken, please provide a HugsLib log so I can look for conflicts in your mod list.
Vattende Dec 6, 2022 @ 3:22am 
No problem for the anwer, i know how tricky Steam can be.

And of course i'm totally conscient that changes must be done before game start for best results. This what i did in all my test-runs.
I made several short runs on dev-map but also standart maps with vanilla but also self-made xeno-races in this case. Never used modded races since Biotech came out.

In my experience, and that's why my post here, i had several pawns getting upset because proposing marriage to the "wrong" orentiation. In some cases straight protagonist trying to doing marriage proposal to same gender.

Also in longer runs, where i let standart mod settings, after some time, my pawns ended still all women together on one side, all males together on the others.
I realised this in particular while testing out the new kids, and as we know all, this may work better with mixed couples. ;)

I know genders and relationships are tricky, and like said in my post, i know also that current trend for most players is having bi, queer and less "tradittional" couples. Still the settings should matter.

I used also Character Editor a few time, still mostly avoided changes trough it, and chosed the gender i wanted for my tests with traditonal starter pawns. Not sure how much changes trough Character Editor are reliable, and taken in account by the game. This i could understand very well, some changes are hard to do. But again, mostly starter pawns with a given orientation for test.

I run your mod in most of my runs, simply because i love it, and it give bit more interactions and fun, but this is one of the little problems i ran into in my different trials. Maybe some vanilla behavior hidden and interfering with some settings, i don't know.

Hope i was more or less clear in my explanation. English isn't my mother-language, so it may sound bit gibberish by moment, my bad.

Tks again for the great mod, and have a great day !
divineDerivative  [developer] Dec 10, 2022 @ 10:38pm 
If you're having pawns propose marriage to the wrong gender, there must be a mod conflict. Please provide a HugsLib so I can look at your mod list.
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