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luckygoldcoin Aug 3, 2014 @ 6:19pm
Louisiana Suggestions
I think there are a few issues when playing the State of Louisiana.

First off, Louisiana is the only one state that is catholic in the South. This causes all the states in the south to be hostil to Louisiana. So, needless to say you can't get any allies in the area, and all the ones that aren't hostil are so far away that it you have to overcome the distance between borders becomes an issue. Everytime time that I play, within ten years I would have had Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Florida, and/or Alabama (not all at once but in groups of two to four wars, and normaly could only make one weak allie) and would be then be reduced to an one provence minor. Which you could assume what happens after. I would think that it would good if you could update it (if you would update it), that it that Louisiana starts as an allie with Mississippi or Texas (or gruaranteed by Texas). I think that this would help balance it, and isn't that overreaching since Louisiana is very interconnected with Texas and Mississippi.

The next issue is that Louisiana culture is it's only culture in its culture group. I do understand that Louisiana is different from the rest of the country, but I would consider putting it in the same group as Nova Scotia. Afterall most of the people that lives in coastal Louisiana could track their family history back to there. I know a few people from Nova Scotia that would say that south Louisiana is similiar to there. Also you do allow for Acadia to form from out of south Louisiana, which is what people would call the area of Nova Scotia.

The last issue is to do with trade.
For one, I think that Louisiana should have the importent center of trade instead of Texas. Louisiana is home to the largest port by tonnage in North America, which is Port of South Louisiana. Also the Port of New Orleans, and the Port of Baton Rouge are in the top 5 in the country. Then there is Port Fourchon and the LOOP (Louisiana Offshore Oil Port) which both handles most of the oil in the United States. All of these, but the Port of Baton Rouge, are located in the providence of Orleans.
The other issue isn't just about Louisiana, it's about trade between the Mid-west and the Gulf Coast. Today (as well of most of history) more trade would go from the midwest to the gulf coast, than the other way around, to be shiped off elsewheres. I think that this is it would be better to change the flow of trade because what is shipped the most is grain (which is what looks like is the most produced good in the midwest in your map) down the Mississippi in real life (now and in the past).
Last edited by luckygoldcoin; Aug 3, 2014 @ 6:20pm
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KeoniPhoenix  [developer] Aug 3, 2014 @ 9:40pm 
This is something I realized on Friday, Louisiana is in probably a worse situation than Utah and Idaho being Mormon. This isn't intended to be deliberately hard, but its the problem of reality of how religion is distributed according to this map: http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/blackwhiteandgray/files/2012/07/USA-religion-map.jpg
I do however want to correct this imbalance and probably will provide for an alliance-guarantee with Texas and Mississippi.

As for culture, I chose to group Cajun and Lousianan as their own group so they're not confused with the Dixie culture group the rest of the South east of the Mississippi they were originally assigned as. I haven't studied the cultural differences between the Acadians of the Canadian Maritimes and the Cajuns of Louisiana but I have been running on an assumption that the Cajuns are primarily "Americanized" and the Acadians are primarily "Canadianized"; meaning that they are strongly attached to the political structure their national governments have. Acadiana was provided as a releasable state for the province of Lafayette for the same reason Baja Arizona was provided for the province of Pima, a cultural-political possibility and to make the game more interesting with more depth.

I might be confusing for some but Acadia is releasable in the Canadian Maritimes and has the acadian culture, while Acadiana is releasable in Louisiana and has the Cajun culture. Acadiana is the the cultural region in 22 counties of Louisiana where the Cajun culture is most predominate.

As for Centers of Trade, Houston gets it because COTs in my mod are assigned to populations of 150,000 or more. New Orleans isn't that large in the mod because its population falls under 150,000 however I do make exceptions, but it has to be convincing. Seattle was given a COT modifier as its tradenode region didn't have any and it was only slightly smaller than Boston which gets one for being a major economic center for New England. The problem is that New Orleans' population is half of Boston's, leading me to not assign it originally. I'll consider giving New Orleans the COT modifier. Your assessment on the flow of trade is likely true and will need to be changed so as to flow in the opposite direction which is something I never thought of. I'm actually favoring redoing the tradenodes because I feel some of them are far to large and divide up regions that should have their own.
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luckygoldcoin Aug 4, 2014 @ 7:49am 
Okay, sounds good.

I agree with you on most points.

I would say from living in south Louisiana that amost of your points are correct. Louisiana is definitely unque with being the only highly catholic region in the south, and that is due to the fact that most of the people here could track there ancstry back to French Acadia, which was historicly catholic.

I wasn't saying that they were identical. I was just saying that they both had the same roots. I wasn't saying that were identical. Louisiana was just the only state that (I think) was the only one to be by itself, culturally, and Nova Scotia would be the only reasonable chose, that I could see, to combine. I could understand if you don't. They aren't identical, and I would agree with Louisiana is different from the Southeast and Texas. I do like how you added the fact that the ablity for Acadiana to form was a good one (there are definitely people here that would liike to see that to happen).

And to the next point. (I might be misunderstanding what this little part is for) I wasn't saying that they were named to same, but the samilaty between thev name shows the historical connection. (One error in this, that doesn't effect game play, is that Louisiana does not have counties, it has parishes)

First off, New Orleans's popalation is a little more than 375,000, with the metro area being a little over one million. I do understand why you picked Houstan with that reasoning. With trade (mainly internation) location is more importent then popaltion. For example, Atlanta, it's one of the US's largest metros, but due to its location, it doesn't do much on terms of international trade. Also, if you look at the history of Louisiana(namely New Orleans) you would see how importent it was (France, Spain, UK, USA, and CSA all controlled it, or tried to, at one point). The reason that the US bought Louisiana was because T.J. wanted the US to have control of New Orleans (not all of Louisiana), but France didn't want to keep the rest of it without New Orleans. It was also one of the first cities the US wanted to capture in the Civil War. And there were sevral other treaties and other things that happened that I will just not go in to (unless you want) about how New Orleans is truely one of the most importent center of trade in the new world, throughtout history and still today.
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HawiianHobo Aug 4, 2014 @ 4:48pm 
Also, just an opinion here the Gulf Coast of Mississippi and Alabama are mix of the Cajan/Lousiana culture, and the culture of Dixie, not one or the other.
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KeoniPhoenix  [developer] Aug 5, 2014 @ 9:48am 
Originally posted by bluefrog1995:
Okay, sounds good.

I agree with you on most points.

I would say from living in south Louisiana that amost of your points are correct. Louisiana is definitely unque with being the only highly catholic region in the south, and that is due to the fact that most of the people here could track there ancstry back to French Acadia, which was historicly catholic.

I wasn't saying that they were identical. I was just saying that they both had the same roots. I wasn't saying that were identical. Louisiana was just the only state that (I think) was the only one to be by itself, culturally, and Nova Scotia would be the only reasonable chose, that I could see, to combine. I could understand if you don't. They aren't identical, and I would agree with Louisiana is different from the Southeast and Texas. I do like how you added the fact that the ablity for Acadiana to form was a good one (there are definitely people here that would liike to see that to happen).

And to the next point. (I might be misunderstanding what this little part is for) I wasn't saying that they were named to same, but the samilaty between thev name shows the historical connection. (One error in this, that doesn't effect game play, is that Louisiana does not have counties, it has parishes)

First off, New Orleans's popalation is a little more than 375,000, with the metro area being a little over one million. I do understand why you picked Houstan with that reasoning. With trade (mainly internation) location is more importent then popaltion. For example, Atlanta, it's one of the US's largest metros, but due to its location, it doesn't do much on terms of international trade. Also, if you look at the history of Louisiana(namely New Orleans) you would see how importent it was (France, Spain, UK, USA, and CSA all controlled it, or tried to, at one point). The reason that the US bought Louisiana was because T.J. wanted the US to have control of New Orleans (not all of Louisiana), but France didn't want to keep the rest of it without New Orleans. It was also one of the first cities the US wanted to capture in the Civil War. And there were sevral other treaties and other things that happened that I will just not go in to (unless you want) about how New Orleans is truely one of the most importent center of trade in the new world, throughtout history and still today.

Yeah, I gotcha. As for the counties/parishes thing, its force of habit and its by all means intended to also include county-equivilents such as Alaskan Boroughs; Ontario Regional Municipalities, Districts, and Single-Tier Muncipalities; Quebec Regional County Municpalities; consolidated city-counties (a number of them exist) and finally Independent Cities (of, primarily, Virginia).

I understand your arguments on New Orleans as a COT. I'm increasingly becoming dissatified of the current tradenode arrangement and reorganize them to give a better distribution of actal regional trade, especially with how the Gulf Coast tradenode is so large.
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Viceris Aug 7, 2014 @ 1:53pm 
I would argue to keep Houston as a center of trade because it's importance in the real-life oil industry, but maybe give New Orleans and/or Mobile at least an estuary bonus? Might help the Gulf Coast dynamic if Texas has to compete with someone for trae dominance there.

However, an trade boost to New Orleans without makeing Lousisana an initial ally or historical friend with someone will just make Texas OP: On day 1, Texas can take the religious mission to Save Caddo and rofl-stomp Lousiana before you can blink an eye, thus giving it control of any trade buffs added to Orleans. If TX then vassalize/conquer Tamps. (specifcally Matamoros's estruary), then about 15 years in Texas will have a huge economy and steamroll all it's neighbors.

BTW, a possible way to nerf TX would be to divide up the culture a la California. Give Nueces, Bexar, and El Paso (TX) a hispanic/Tex-Mex culture, and make Travis an Austinite culture
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luckygoldcoin Aug 7, 2014 @ 2:19pm 
Originally posted by Viceris:
I would argue to keep Houston as a center of trade because it's importance in the real-life oil industry, but maybe give New Orleans and/or Mobile at least an estuary bonus? Might help the Gulf Coast dynamic if Texas has to compete with someone for trae dominance there.

However, an trade boost to New Orleans without makeing Lousisana an initial ally or historical friend with someone will just make Texas OP: On day 1, Texas can take the religious mission to Save Caddo and rofl-stomp Lousiana before you can blink an eye, thus giving it control of any trade buffs added to Orleans. If TX then vassalize/conquer Tamps. (specifcally Matamoros's estruary), then about 15 years in Texas will have a huge economy and steamroll all it's neighbors.

BTW, a possible way to nerf TX would be to divide up the culture a la California. Give Nueces, Bexar, and El Paso (TX) a hispanic/Tex-Mex culture, and make Travis an Austinite culture


You are probably right about Texas just steamrolling Louisiana, but the New Orleans area is more important, in the oil field (and in trade in general), than Houston area.
Last edited by luckygoldcoin; Aug 7, 2014 @ 2:20pm
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KeoniPhoenix  [developer] Aug 7, 2014 @ 9:09pm 
Originally posted by Viceris:
I would argue to keep Houston as a center of trade because it's importance in the real-life oil industry, but maybe give New Orleans and/or Mobile at least an estuary bonus? Might help the Gulf Coast dynamic if Texas has to compete with someone for trae dominance there.

However, an trade boost to New Orleans without makeing Lousisana an initial ally or historical friend with someone will just make Texas OP: On day 1, Texas can take the religious mission to Save Caddo and rofl-stomp Lousiana before you can blink an eye, thus giving it control of any trade buffs added to Orleans. If TX then vassalize/conquer Tamps. (specifcally Matamoros's estruary), then about 15 years in Texas will have a huge economy and steamroll all it's neighbors.

BTW, a possible way to nerf TX would be to divide up the culture a la California. Give Nueces, Bexar, and El Paso (TX) a hispanic/Tex-Mex culture, and make Travis an Austinite culture

Originally posted by bluefrog1995:
Originally posted by Viceris:
I would argue to keep Houston as a center of trade because it's importance in the real-life oil industry, but maybe give New Orleans and/or Mobile at least an estuary bonus? Might help the Gulf Coast dynamic if Texas has to compete with someone for trae dominance there.

However, an trade boost to New Orleans without makeing Lousisana an initial ally or historical friend with someone will just make Texas OP: On day 1, Texas can take the religious mission to Save Caddo and rofl-stomp Lousiana before you can blink an eye, thus giving it control of any trade buffs added to Orleans. If TX then vassalize/conquer Tamps. (specifcally Matamoros's estruary), then about 15 years in Texas will have a huge economy and steamroll all it's neighbors.

BTW, a possible way to nerf TX would be to divide up the culture a la California. Give Nueces, Bexar, and El Paso (TX) a hispanic/Tex-Mex culture, and make Travis an Austinite culture


You are probably right about Texas just steamrolling Louisiana, but the New Orleans area is more important, in the oil field (and in trade in general), than Houston area.

The mod is intended to be anachronistic, with considerable basis on present reality, so Houston and its strong economy was why it got not just a COT modifier but a nice basetax too.

Great idea, I didn't think of that. There's diffinently a culture difference between Southwest Texas, Northwest Texas, Northern Texas, Southern Texas, Central Texas and Eastern Texas (which has a number of cultural ties to Louisiana) along the Sabine River.

I'm thinking that I need to rearrange the trade nodes, give it back to New Orleans and make sure it has its estuary bonus (which it does as I just checked). Then give Dalls a land trade node that only serves Texas and Oklahoma.
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