Originally posted by JD:

1. I can't delete divisions in order to give equipment to other divisions, which leads to me having a huge deficit during the German Civil War. Strike Number One

2. Only a small amount of time to beat the other German Civil War Nations with the deficit of said equipment, then the entire Allies that are fully equipped with a million divisions go cowabunga on your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and rape you until you wish you were playing some other actual competent mod like Kaiserreich. Strike Number Two.

3. The stupid Manstein question thing makes no sense. Why would generals question Manstein's leadership just because the German Civil War is taking long? Especially when you sign a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cease fire with the other German countries when the Allies invade you? It's like "Oh hey, the entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Allies and the USA invaded us, we're a little ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Uhh, Manstein, you suck for this! We're going to try to overthrow you because you didn't beat the other Germanys in lightspeed time! Even though we're in a ceasefire with them to try to beat the allies!! Woohoo!!

4. Why the ♥♥♥♥ does every German nation involved in the German Civil war have +40% surrender limit? That means you have to take like every single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tile they own. Whoever thought of this must be some brainlet that has never played the game before or understands what "surrender limit" is.

All I wanted to do was see what the Wehrmacht tree was, but it seems as though you have to 100% avoid the german civil war by choosing someone like Goring or Goebbels. This is such an unfun mod honestly. Why give people impossible decisions? Why make trees that are impossible to get?

Maybe because the focus trees were never intended to be completed.

You can’t delete divisions because it would destabilize the GCW

Realistically speaking, the surrender limits are there because it’s total war, and everyone is trying to fight to the death.

You can set the custom game rules so that the Toronto accords won’t intervene

And for the manstein thing, I don’t really know but maybe read about why on their reddit or lore?

Now let me tell you this

It always seems like your one of those people that complain about every little detail, and while your anger is understandable, Pretty much no one cares that you have issues with TWR. If I want to be honest here, it is that you need to chill. I seen you have went bonkers all over in TNO, and I’ll tell you this: look at the response you got. Clearly, you didn’t see the bigger image, and I doubt you’ll see the bigger image of this mod, too.

Now please, don’t rant like a madman. Sure, somethings aren’t perfect, but I would be fine with it, not be needing swears to make a point.

May you chill please? Negative things like this only do more harm then good.

I agree with where you started with this post... this mod has some amazing potential and it is definitely going to be playable at some point, but I think it is still very much a beta and not playable at this time. Of course all of the great mods UMC, Kasierreich and Road to 56, started out rough as well.

There really needs to be some effort placed on repairing the weirdness... like the naval units being completely screwed up (using a variant interface that we are used to for tanks and planes, does not make sense for naval units) and all of the missing graphics for planes, tanks, etc. My naval menu had weird hulls and i noticed several techs with missing descriptions. I know this will improve over time, it was just a little surprising to see.

I liked the map, its obvious a lot of effort went into it.

The national focus trees are a good start, but they seem very basic and limiting, and to be honest, a little complicated to understand.

I disagree with the statement that focus trees were not intended to be completed. I have to agree with the original poster that why build a tree if you do not want it complete? I also am going to have to agree with questioning of the high surrender limits. No nation would fight to the point of total destruction

Originally posted by mullins.r:

I agree with where you started with this post... this mod has some amazing potential and it is definitely going to be playable at some point, but I think it is still very much a beta and not playable at this time. Of course all of the great mods UMC, Kasierreich and Road to 56, started out rough as well.

There really needs to be some effort placed on repairing the weirdness... like the naval units being completely screwed up (using a variant interface that we are used to for tanks and planes, does not make sense for naval units) and all of the missing graphics for planes, tanks, etc. My naval menu had weird hulls and i noticed several techs with missing descriptions. I know this will improve over time, it was just a little surprising to see.

I liked the map, its obvious a lot of effort went into it.

The national focus trees are a good start, but they seem very basic and limiting, and to be honest, a little complicated to understand.

I disagree with the statement that focus trees were not intended to be completed. I have to agree with the original poster that why build a tree if you do not want it complete? I also am going to have to agree with questioning of the high surrender limits. No nation would fight to the point of total destruction

You might be right actually... But only a fanatical one would I guess.

Originally posted by mullins.r:

I also am going to have to agree with questioning of the high surrender limits. No nation would fight to the point of total destruction

But that's what actually happened during World War 2. The German army kept fighting even when all of Germany was conquered except Berlin.

Hey so I think this community can be a bit too hard on critics so I thought I would give a more reasonable reponse to your critiques. First off the german civil war is pain but luckily you can simply skip over it. I think most of the things added like not allowing units being built was 1 for balance though it tends to throw everything off as a player but also 2 it means that the war lasts longer for the ai. Yettus also brought up that the trees are not supposed to be completed which it true. So basically my suggestion overall is if you want to play germany as manstien or any of the factions go with that the army intervenes directly in the cabinet to stop the civil war after that you get to invade the soviets and eventually the allies. Also try other nations out I dont mean to be a generic fan boy but the mod is really good you just need to figure out what you want to do and how to do it.

Originally posted by Kingkoopa101010:

Hey so I think this community can be a bit too hard on critics so I thought I would give a more reasonable reponse to your critiques. First off the german civil war is pain but luckily you can simply skip over it. I think most of the things added like not allowing units being built was 1 for balance though it tends to throw everything off as a player but also 2 it means that the war lasts longer for the ai. Yettus also brought up that the trees are not supposed to be completed which it true. So basically my suggestion overall is if you want to play germany as manstien or any of the factions go with that the army intervenes directly in the cabinet to stop the civil war after that you get to invade the soviets and eventually the allies. Also try other nations out I dont mean to be a generic fan boy but the mod is really good you just need to figure out what you want to do and how to do it.

Thanks for the criticism of my critic, how do I intervene directly in the cabinet with the army?

> The mod is too difficult for me ergo its ♥♥♥♥

10/10

Is the GCW even avoidable? I put Manstein in charge and it all fell apart anyway when I tried to dismantle the SS. In fact it always seems like no matter what things fall apart with the SS.

Originally posted by Solidus:

Is the GCW even avoidable? I put Manstein in charge and it all fell apart anyway when I tried to dismantle the SS. In fact it always seems like no matter what things fall apart with the SS.

It’s avoidable. Just don’t escalate things too much and don’t coup the government with the SS or army.

I found that letting Speer take over and totally solve the economy was great. Finished off Russia, but then it became 1980 and no one was willing to fight me - so, restart...

'Failed' attempt to keep things cool and Bormann took over, to be replaced by one of the lesser characters, and found that interesting, but, restart (painful economy)...

Himmler takes over. Certainly now the gloves come off, right? Sort of, I couldnt even get the option to restore control of France IIRC. If a maniac like that in charge couldnt get the TA off the arses, I dont know what would. I mean, that path the most I could do was take Sweden and the minor axis powers? Maybe Goebels is the right sort of crazy to go full on world domination?

Played as US, the GCW went on for 6 years, finally intervened and sorted it in a few weeks. But then, nothing to do, 1975 restart...

Finishing tonight a playthrough as China, which has been kinda fun but with Germany pacified by the accord again I have resorted to nocb'ing my way (China vs India was enjoyable, China vs SOV also. I expect my inevitable grab of Korea, in the TA, will see me nuked beyond all sense with CHI's minimal air force unable to defend -- 2 research slots!!!??).

I really like the mod, but without late game events, or ideological crusading, it pains me to see all the 90's tech that I have yet to use (well, without the current China playthrough breaking the cb rule)

If ever a mod made me want to lend a hand (considerable coding skills but no modding ones), this one is it, cause its a great start and has a number of really solid trees (I really enjoyed the storyline of AH and his deathbed successor choice)

For all its flaws, I really am liking it and looking forward to any updates.

Just because it's hard doesn't make it a bad mod. While I agree with you in the sense that I'm not a fan of GCW (always hated any civil war in hoi4), its best to just skip entirely by rushing the leftern focus tree that focuses on politics. Make sure for any events that pop up that you give the influence to whomever you want in power. I had a blast having Himmler come to power with no civil war and him providing me with 2 extra research slots (7 total slots, which is absurd) and the ability to go full ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and turn Germany in the esoteric pagan Aryan empire while dropping chemical weapons on the rest of the world.