Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

Extended Timeline
Firesoul Jul 26, 2014 @ 2:05am
New units to be added to future versions of the mod
I'm particularly looking at:

Realistic alternate history units with proper Latin names for Western Empire troops had the Western Empire survived.

Ethiopian and Nubian troops of all eras

More modern Japanese, Korean, Indochinese and Chinese troops, after tech 60 (late 1500s). Tanks, cavalry and infantry, maybe even some artillery.

More modern middle-eastern troops, particularly tanks and particularly the very modern era

World War and later era Spanish troops: tanks, cavalry, and infantry

Scandinavian troops after the vanilla timeline, particularly Danish and Swedish troops

Belgian world war era infantry

Post-WW2 French and Belgian tanks


All troops should have a name, description, and stats (ideally, but stats aren't essential)


(Qweytr, I'm also going to put the most up to date unit files here)
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Firesoul Jul 26, 2014 @ 3:13am 
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I've completed the desriptions for all the troops already ingame. I'm going to start adding troops now.
Firesoul Jul 28, 2014 @ 12:33am 
Tech 83:

enable = fiat3000

# Fiat 3000

type = cavalry

manuever = 2
offensive_morale = 8
defensive_morale = 8
offensive_fire = 9
defensive_fire = 10
offensive_shock = 8
defensive_shock = 10

fiat3000: "Fiat 3000"
fiat3000DESCR: "Based largely on the French Renault Light Tank, the Fiat 3000 was the first tank to be produced in series in Italy. It was known to have a largely inadequate offensive capacity, its machine guns were not powerful enough to take on other tanks. Nonetheless, the tank had more machine guns than many tanks, and as such was quite effective defensively when fighting infantry."
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Firesoul Jul 28, 2014 @ 12:45am 
Tech 86:

enable = carro_armato_p2640

# Carro Armato P 26/40

type = cavalry

manuever = 2
offensive_morale = 9
defensive_morale = 8
offensive_fire = 12
defensive_fire = 11
offensive_shock = 9
defensive_shock = 9

carro_armato_p2640: "Carro Armato P 26/40"
carro_armato_p2640DESCR: "Armed with a 75mm gun and an 8mm Breda machine gun, plus another optional machine gun in an anti-aircraft mount. The designation P stands for 'pesante', meaning 'heavy' in Italian. The Carro Armato P 26/40 was known for its reliable suspension, and good power-to-weight ratio."
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Eudoxia Jul 28, 2014 @ 5:23am 
You liked my idea of extending the Roman unit tree so the Romans didn't have to convert to eastern tech. Here is a list of units:

c.a. 324 AD

Comitatenses:

The Comitatenses were the mobile armies of the Late Roman Empire, originally created to prevent usurpers from rising up in revolt, but later taking on the role of defeating the confederations of barbarians. They operated in legions of 1000 men, and were the equivalent of the old Roman legionnaires in quality and discipline, even if their practices and equipment were different.

Equites Promoti:

Equites Promoti were first created from the Legionary cavalry units under Gallenius in 268, and were organized in units of 360 men. The Equites Promoti were lancers, trained to strike at the opportune moment in the battle, or drive away enemy cavalry. They were not supposed to go head-to-head with infantry like the comitatenses, but could hold their own if they had to.

c.a. 395 AD

Auxilia Palatina:

The Auxilia Palatina were the elite units of the Roman army, that under generals like Aetius and Stilicho, faithfully tried to control the federates and preserve the western half of the Roman Empire. They were well paid, well equipped, and very disciplined, and many would later end up on the payroll of Aetius as Bucellarii, after the loss of north Africa in 439. The Palatina remained in service until the death of Aetius in 454, and were replaced by foederati.

Unnigardae:

The Unnigardae was a word mixed between Latin and Gothic, and meant "Hunnic Guards." The Unnigardae are Bucellarii, units hired and paid and equipped by a Roman general, rather thean Foederati who are paid by the state. The Huns would play a key role in the Roman Empire, especially under Aetius, and would introduce Lance-and-Bow tactics to the Roman cavalry.

c.a. 460 AD

Foederati:

Foederati were barbarians recruited under treaty, and led by their own officers, to fight for the Roman army. After the army effectively deserted in 455, the only replacement was the Foederati, which the Emperor Majorian won the loyalty of and quickly found great success in Gaul and Spain in his plan to cross the Gibraltar straits to Africa. The Foederati, after Majorian's death, took control of the Empire, beginning to appoint their own Emperors, and eventually would depose the last Roman Emperor in 476.

Bucellarii

The retainers of Bucellarii that guarded their generals and the emperors were the elite forces that often were the key to success in battle. In the 470's, Ecdicius Avitus allegedly fended off the entire Visigothic army with his Alan Bucellarii, and in 530 Belisarius gained the first Roman victory over the Persians in centuries with his Bucellarii. The Bucellarii kept alive the Lance and Bow warfare Aetius introduced, and brought it to the Eastern Provinces, reforming Roman cavalry permanently.

More to come.
Firesoul Jul 28, 2014 @ 5:54am 
Thank you, it would be nice to extend the Roman tech tree all the way to modern day. I don't feel it realistic to suddenly change technology group. The problem is that extending it so far would require going exclusively Byzantine for a while (and then, what if it's the West that survives) or creating fictional units, which I'm not opposed to, but these units would have to mean something in Latin and not feel like a drop in quality.

Certainly, giving the player the possibility of continuing for a little longer with the Roman tech tree without their entire tech system going completely obsolete seems a good idea to me.
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Eudoxia Jul 28, 2014 @ 6:01am 
565 AD:

Arithmoi:

The Arithmos was the Greek term in this era for the old Roman Numerus, or "regiment." The Arithmoi were small regiments of Limitanei and Comitatenses that now formed the bulk of the Roman troops, alongside their Cavalry complement and Foederati Allies. Although not elite troops, these main-line infantry could hold the line and take on almost any opponent they faced.

Optimates:

The Optimates were an eliete cataphract guard unit that were classified as "Klibanophoroi" or Clibanarii, because they had fully armored horses and riders. They became very notable after their creation under Maurice and would later form part of the Imperial Tagmata. The Optimates used maces, lances, and bows, taking the tactics of Bucellarii and bringing them to the Thematic army.

638 AD:

Akritai:

Akritai were the frontier troops of the Thematic armies and were responsible, like the Limitanei before them, to repel small raids from the Arabs and later on the Turks. Unlike their limitanei predecessors, the Akritai's income was supplemented with land they lived on and maintained. Armed with light javelins, a large shield, and a sword, the Akritai were fairly close in armament to the Late Roman Army, and although not as well trained as the earlier Limitanei, did their job well.

Hippo Akontistai

The Hippo Akontistai were mounted Akontistai, or skirmishers, who used large numbers of light javelins to perform skirmishing, scouting, and other duties. Faster and more mobile than the Akritai or infantry Akontistai, they were geared towards rapid intercepts of Arab or Turkish raiders. Like the Akritai, they lived on land grants and were also supplemented with pay.
Eudoxia Jul 28, 2014 @ 6:11am 
850 AD:

Skoutatoi

Beginning in the 9th Century, the Romans began reconquering the lands taken from them, and at the head of these reconquests were the Skoutatoi, main-line Roman infantry from the Thematic armies. The Skoutatoi were professional soldiers, and essentially the successors of the Roman Comitatenses of old. The Skoutatoi's job was to hold the line for the cavalry to make the decisive strike in the battle, but were also capable of winning a battle on their own initiative.

Hippo Toxotai

Hippo Toxotai were horse-archers that used Lance-and-Bow warfare against their enemies, and thanks to the Avars were now equipped with Stirrups and more powerful Turkish bows. With new tactics, organization, and equipment, the Roman Thematic Army became the most efficient and effective army in the Medieval Era, and the Hippo-Toxotai usually made the decisive strikes in any battle, with tactics derived from Maurice's Strategikon.

968 AD:

Varangioi

After the conversion of the Kievan Rus to christianity, the Varangioi or Varangian Guard was established. However, these were not the only Varangians in the Roman Army, and other than the Guard itself were a number of elite Varangian Mercenary units operating in the Tagmatic and Thematic armies. The Varangians were famed for their heavy armor and quality weapons, and would serve faithfully, recruited from a myriad of nations, until 1453.

Skholai:

Established from the old Schola Palatina units, the Skholai were the Kataphraktoi of the Tagmatic army, using their heavy armor and lance-and-bow warfare to defeat enemy cavalry and strike enemy infantry. The Skholai were often recruited from the aristocracy, and were professional troops and the most senior unit in the Tagmatic field army.
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Eudoxia Jul 28, 2014 @ 6:12am 
I have to mow a lawn but I will return with more.
Firesoul Jul 28, 2014 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by Flavius Aetius:
I have to mow a lawn but I will return with more.
These are all very good, I wonder however if you could provide a mix of units for each time, so that instead of one cavalry and one infantry choice there is a range to choose from, as in the base game?
Eudoxia Jul 28, 2014 @ 1:22pm 
To some extent, yes. Athanatoi, for example, could be at the same time as the Varangioi, and Limitanei could be at the same time as Comitatenses. I'll throw some more in as I finish this list
Eudoxia Jul 29, 2014 @ 5:39pm 
324 AD (Alternates):

Limitanei (Defensive, Comitatenses could be Offensive)

Limitanei were the backbone of the new frontier system in 324. Trained and equipped essentially the same as their Comitatenses counterparts, the difference was that Comitatenses had more priveleges and tax reductions than the Limitanei. While the Comitatenses focused on supressing Usurpers, and the occasional gigantic barbarian confederation, the Limitanei did the majority of the Empire's defense, constantly defeating raids and making preemptive strikes into Germania, as well as defending forts and towns along the frontiers.

Equites Scutarii (Defensive)

Equites Scutarii played a slightly different role than their Promoti counterparts, using light javelins, a sword, and a large shield rather than the lance. Their job focused more on screening duties and defending the flanks of the Roman formation, rather than striking at weak points in the enemy. They also served well to drive off barbarian cavalry or intercept raiders, as well as guide and control the nomads who moved their herds from the summer to winter pastures.
Firesoul Jul 30, 2014 @ 2:43am 
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Eudoxia Jul 30, 2014 @ 5:46am 
1080

Pronoiarioi:

The Pronoiars were men granted land and fiscal responsibility in exchange for providing troops when called upon. Essentially, they made up the Roman feudal system. The Pronoiars were formalized by Alexios Komnenos as a result of the collapse of the Anatolian theme system and a new method was needed for the Empire's administrative management and defense. Pronoiars fought on both foot and horse, depending on how much you could afford, but much of their equipment was still standardized and provided by the Roman state.

Archontopoulai:

The Archontopoulai were an elite cataphract guard created by Alexios Komnenos, who recruited teenage orphans and trained them for years to become Kataphraktoi. Armed with lances, fully armored horses and riders, and bows, they were often used in his campaigns and could be a decisive factor in battle. With the support the Varangians, Pronoiarioi, and the remaning Tagmatic units, they made for a winning combination in the 11th and 12th centuries.

1204

Mourtatoi:

The Mourtatoi were a unit of Roman guard archers recruited from the Turkomans and Turkomens, as well as the various Beyliks, in Anatolia. The Mourtatoi guard were one of several guard units that included the Paramonai and Varangioi, which formed the core of the drastically reduced Roman army. The Mourtatoi were foot archers, armed with Turkish Bows, Armor, and Paramenion Sabres. They proved invaluable, faithfully fighting to their deaths against the Ottomans in 1453.

Paramonai (Alternate):

The Paramonai were the Greek guard, one of the few units actually comprised of Greek recruits, rather than mercenaries. They were effectively heavy infantry and heavy cavalry, and were a sort of backbone to the other mercenary and militia troops the Empire used at the time. The Paramonai seem to have been disbanded with the loss of the Greek provinces in the mid-1300's.

Kavalarioi

Kavalarioi were medium cavarly in use since the early theme system and would survive as a unit until the time of the fall of Trapezounta in 1461. They were armored lancers who took the place of the old Kataphraktoi, whose tactics were becoming outdated. More maneuverable than heavy armored cataphracts, they would exploit openings in the battle line or drive away enemy cavalry, as well as generically defend the flanks of the formation.
Eudoxia Jul 30, 2014 @ 5:59am 
1307

Allagion

With the restoration of Constantinople the Roman Army once more had a core of professional soldiers. However, the gains in the Balkans were offset by losses in Anatolia, in the end resulting in continuing decline. The new organization of Roman Skoutatoi into Allagia was more effective than the old Moira. These men were heavy infantry whose manpower was supplied by the Pronoiarioi, and were equipped with armor, swords, and large shields in the traditional manner of the Skoutatoi.

Skythikon

The 14th century, with the coming and collapse of the Mongols, saw the return of "Scythian" cavalry in Roman service, recruited from the Blue Horde and Golden Horde. Mongol, Cuman, and Pecheng mercenaries helped the Romans fight the Turks in Anatolia, and probably carried gunpowder into Europe through the Turks and the Romans. Their methods were effective, but eventually the Romans lost the income to keep recruiting them and they became outmatched by Ottoman infantry archer tactics.

1405

Latinikon

The Romans continued to fight against the Ottomans well into the 15th century, using Italian and Germanic mercenaries called Latinikon. The Latinikon were armed with contemporary Italian equipment supplied by the Roman allies of Venice and Genoa, which usually was a full hooded suit of chainmail, a leather jacket, and a Celata helmet, with large triangular shields and spears and swords. The Latinikon rarely fought in open battle, with notable exceptions being the campaign of 1444 where the Romans reconquered up to Athens, before being driven back to the Hexamilion and defeated. Better equipped and trained than their Ottoman opponents, the Latinikon fought to the end at Constantinople in 1453.

Stratioitai

Stratiotai is the Greek word for "Soldier" and these men were mounted Latinikon armed with Paramenion Sabres and full suits of maile, recruited from noble families settled by the Venetians throughout the Balkans. Although in the early 15th century they all went into service of the Romans, later on they would continue to fight the Turks in the name of venice until the late 16th century, and most of their noble lines survive until the modern day.
Eudoxia Aug 1, 2014 @ 9:52am 
Some barbarian units:

58 AD

Heriban

A heriban was a levy of Germani militia, who would be armed primarily with spears and shields, and other than that had to provide their own equipment. They were usually zealous individuals intent on defending their homes, but had little training and experience in warfare. However, they could be relied upon to execute effective ambushes and hold the line, when necessary.

Hridriskara

Hridriskara were Germanic cavalry skirmishers, armed with shields and javelins. Their horses were usually stunted ploughorses, and they made for agile raiders and good skirmishers on the battlefield. Like their infantry counterparts, they had little training, little experience, and had to provide their own equipment.

150 AD

Alemanne

As agricultural techniques improved, so did trade with the Romans and the quality of living. This process began about 150 AD and allowed Germanic Soldiers to afford more equipment and training, hence the Alemanne. Although still militia, the Alemanne was a slightly better organization that was used by the various Suebic groups, including the Alemanni, Marcomanni, and Quaddi. Due to agricultural improvements these men could campaign longer and their raids were more successful.

Chnite

Chnite were germanic lancers, armed usually with a spear and shield, and whatever else they could afford. Although militia, they were more effective at engaging enemy cavalry than their Hridiriskara counterparts, and adopted some of their tactics from the Sarmatian Roxolani and Iazyges to their East. The Chnite would eventually become the origin of the term "Knight" as many of these men were low-ranking chieftans or those landlords under the chieftan's influence.
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