Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

British Overhaul
Ben_D⚜  [developer] Feb 12, 2019 @ 8:13am
Fascist Italy joining the Allies
I'm still not totally convinced about the idea. I'll read more source material here to support the hypothesis.
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RedPrometheus Feb 16, 2019 @ 5:23am 
Italy, France and the UK had an agreement called the Stresa Front https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stresa_Front to curb Germany. It fell apart because of the invasion on Ethopia. If the player takes the course to appease Italy by accepting their demands in Africa and the Balkans Italy would probably have been more trusting. Furthermore there was a strong willingness among the British political class to appease Italy in regards to Ethopia. Furthermore Italy was highly sceptial of the Anschluss of Austria and only then did Mussolini make the choice to team up with Hitler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement

I only learned on all this myself when doing some historical research on the topic but I believe that Italy joining the Allies and thus reviving the WW 1 Entente was quite a strong possibility and thus makes perfect sense if the player appeases Italy.
Ben_D⚜  [developer] Aug 5, 2019 @ 12:28am 
A quote from YouWorstNightmare:

"You mentioned italy joining the allies is pointless and the focuses about that. I don't think it's far fetched since Italy used to be in the entente and Mussolini's fascism was much less severe from the nazism in germany. If the uk gives african concessions to italy and backs their balkan ambitions (which were frankly not that large, just the coastline), italy would have no real objection to rejoining the entente. maybe you could have italy have a daily democratic influence +.05 while in the allies. I just struggle to keep them in since they always leave right when they join. do you think you could fix that issue? thank you so much and very cool mod overall."
Last edited by Ben_D⚜; Aug 5, 2019 @ 12:29am
Ben_D⚜  [developer] Aug 5, 2019 @ 12:41am 
I believe there should be consequences for Britain, France and Italy for making such a deal. Geo-politics of this era were definitely not as binary as "let's just give them what they want and all is ok, or let's not". Both sides (UK/France vs Italy) should have to make compromises. I just don't know how to represent that properly. Democratic drift is one thing to do, but it's only one mechanic. Figuratively speaking, I'm not one to use a bat to put a screw in place. I hope you know what I mean.
RedPrometheus Aug 13, 2019 @ 1:10am 
There should also be a stability hit for the UK bc compromising with Italy after Ethopia would be unpopular
nicovallejos Sep 22, 2019 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by RedPrometheus:
Italy, France and the UK had an agreement called the Stresa Front https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stresa_Front to curb Germany. It fell apart because of the invasion on Ethopia. If the player takes the course to appease Italy by accepting their demands in Africa and the Balkans Italy would probably have been more trusting. Furthermore there was a strong willingness among the British political class to appease Italy in regards to Ethopia. Furthermore Italy was highly sceptial of the Anschluss of Austria and only then did Mussolini make the choice to team up with Hitler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement

I only learned on all this myself when doing some historical research on the topic but I believe that Italy joining the Allies and thus reviving the WW 1 Entente was quite a strong possibility and thus makes perfect sense if the player appeases Italy.

That would be best. I'm afraid the Allies faction that UK has been leading on should be renamed upon becoming fascist. The lack of oversight from Paradox may have meant that the Allies name would be remain intact. I guess the fascist branch of the UK focus tree needs update: it should have to add the focus 'Revive the Stresa Front', which the Allies will be known as the Stresa Front.
nicovallejos Sep 23, 2019 @ 4:07am 
@Ben_D
@RedPrometheus

Update regarding the Stresa Front.

It seems that Paradox have just finished the rework of the France Focus Tree that is in preparation for the update of HOI4 to 1.8 'Husky'. If France leads alone and is Fascist, they may have to grant concessions to Italy in order to ratify the Stresa-Front, which it would become a military alliance comprising France, UK and Italy, to counter Germany (if it finishes the Re-establish Free Elections and the Monarchy Compromise focuses).
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