Wow... They really so strong? What about standart battelship with arc emmiters spam?

Originally posted by ArteMooNik:

Wow... They really so strong? What about standart battelship with arc emmiters spam?

Nope. Many of my weapons penetrate shield and armor, or just obliterate it on normal ships. I'm pretty sure they were more pissed at the paint job, if anything. Even their little protection fleet was barely scratched. Oh yea, and did I forget to mention my ~3 million fleet power along with those Gigastructures? I think i did, and those are mostly battleships and titans, all fitted with similar piercing weapons! I had a total of like 21 Titans I believe...

Big ships are great and all, but they're mostly just a massive target to ships with ungodly firepower like... Well, everything in ACOT.

Personally I just send wave after wave of my best ships over a period of many years, without bothering to use the massive gigastructural ships. Quantity has a quality of it's own.

I don't think the Phanon Corps is something you're supposed to beat in a single assault on their system. Three million fleet power isn't much in the grand scheme of things. There's a reason they use the Skull icon for the Phanon Corps, I think. Attempting to display the numbers can have weird issues.

Yea, I figured that after the crushing defeat. But the thing is, is that this is past year 2400. Late game lag is REALLY taking it's toll, and as a fanatic purifier, the only point is to fight other empires, meaning I have nobody to fight other than the Phanon, or wait another 70 years for the crisis.

The Phanon just seem too powerful too beat, having seemingly a Billion armor, shield, and hull, unless you have a really good computer and attack over and over, or get one massive fleet of Systemcrafts and obliterate them.

It would take such a long time, that there seems no point in fighting them, for the time wasted fighting them could have been used to win the game, or to just start a new one and keep going on.

They seem to be just an off-hand thing to help you with dark matter, as in order to get them to do anything, their leader says that you must defeat them to get them riled up.

I take it you've never played against the Omega from SoFE. Phanon-tier is meant to be a cross between a side-grade and an upgrade to Stellarite. While a good portion of their stuff is just straight better (mainly weapons), some things like engines, afterburners, sublight thrusters, jump drive, etc. are trade-offs. Phanon jump drives have no cooldown, but nowhere near the range of stellarite jump drives as an example.

I managed to capture the drop point with two fleets of roughly 25M precursor fleets decked out in full Stellarite (1 Hyperion, 2 Assault Carriers, 20 Battlecruisers, 50 Escorts, all with Sigma chassis and pure energy-based weaponry. 460 fleet size, thus 920 in total.) with decent losses. This is the ideal minimum in dealing with the Omega's fleets from the crisis in SoFE (20M used to be the breaking point before they were changed in fleet composition) and most likely what Phanon was balanced around.

Also, isn't the Attack Moon still unable to be modified? Using vanilla weapons will make only the single deathlaser actually be worth anything damage-wise. Might as well go for the Stellar Systemcraft if you're gonna be making lots of weaponized moons and planets.

That's what I was going for. Attack Moons cannot be modified, and thus going for something bigger would be ideal. Also, I am using the mod's weapons, and ACOT's weapons. However, with how bad I was destroyed, how late in the game it is, and the fact I'm fanatic purifier, there's no point to getting something bigger, for it takes too long, and who wants to sit around for hours building Stellar Systemcraft just to kill ONE system?

As stated before, I've killed everyone else. I've only got 2 things to kill: The Phanon and the Crisis. Waiting for the crisis would take a billion years, and is quite pointless, and taking the time to defeat the Phanon would be so useless, you'd do better starting a new game. At least you get to see how much punishment a Systemcraft dishes out against the Crisis, but the Phanon are so powerful, you need so much weaponry to defeat them for what? If you really need 10 Systemcraft just to end the game, why are you letting them build up so much?

As a rhetorical question for you, are you saying you need mods... to kill other mods? I though that death stars the size of PLANETS would be able to destroy and station that isn't another planet, but I guess not. I guess I'm more dumbfounded that looking for answers, as it doesn't really balance the power, although I do see why having that kind of power would destroy the game's balance.

Honestly, Phanon shouldn't be messed with until you've unlocked the basic 3 precursor ships from SOPHIA: Escort, Battlecruiser, Hyperion. I personally would wait for the Assault Carrier, but that's because I'm a strike ship kind of guy. After that, either SPAM repeatables (because while you're capable of getting the precursor ships before attaining the Alpha Reactor, it's unlikely that you'll wait that long seeing as by that point you have all the science in the world to bang out the 3 required techs to get the Alpha Reactor to show) to make your alpha weaponry strong enough to contest Phanon with extreme numbers advantage, or hold out until you can get Stellarite and make a few fleets out of them.

Like I mentioned already, Phanon is in-between Stellarite, the highest you can go without the OE, and Light Matter, which can only be obtained by killing the OE. Unfortunately that means a lot of waiting to build up that much power, but that's what it takes because of how absurd everything above Alpha is.

Chiru balanced Delta-tier around vanilla, he's said that before though that was a long time ago so I don't remember where, but everything else is most likely balanced around itself. So yeah, balance has left the chat XD

See, this was my first good run with the mod. I didn't know that perk existed till I took all the perks related around Giga structures, and many others (am using the 26 perk slot mod), so I never had the chance to know those ships existed. Feels bad man. Welp, It IS worthless to kill em, so...... Phanon = Rich man's way of getting dark matter stuff

Phanon is your best chance against the OE crisis. If you're not using ACoT: SBtG to even spawn the crisis to begin with, or if you never intend to jump through the hoops to spawn the crisis, then Phanon's just for bragging rights. Also, no phanon tech requires dark matter or dark energy iirc. It's just stupid amounts of alloys.

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that they can give you easy dark matter for a high price. Not that they require dark matter.

Sorry guys, but what is the Hyperion ship? I play ACOT SOFE ZOFE from while now, and I have never seen such a ship. I get the Escort, Battlecruisers, Fallen Titans and Goliaths. With SOFE, I can get Precursor Dropship, but never seen an Hyperion, is it new? I haven't defeat the Omega from a very long time now.

Originally posted by The Quackinator:

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that they can give you easy dark matter for a high price. Not that they require dark matter.

Oh, you meant that they are one of your options for tech advancement. Got it. Phanon can get you DM and the PDB (Precursor Database) for those with stupid amounts of resources, yeah. They might be able to get you 1 more thing but I can't remember what that thing might be.

Originally posted by Zagreb R2JEU:

Sorry guys, but what is the Hyperion ship? I play ACOT SOFE ZOFE from while now, and I have never seen such a ship. I get the Escort, Battlecruisers, Fallen Titans and Goliaths. With SOFE, I can get Precursor Dropship, but never seen an Hyperion, is it new? I haven't defeat the Omega from a very long time now.

Clearly you haven't played ACoT in a very long time cause one, SoFE is now called ACoT:SBtG (Secrets Beyond the Gates), and two, it's been part of the mod for years. ZoFE's ships are the Escort, Battlecruiser, Fallen Titan, and Goliath. ACoT's ships all start with Precursor and are as follows, Precursor Escort, Precursor Battlecruiser, Precursor Hyperion, Precursor Assault Carrier, Precursor Initializer, Precursor Oracle, Precursor Emissary, and Precursor Herculean. Non-ships are Precursor Starbase, Precursor Guardian, and Precursor Sentinel.

I would go Herc. with a LOT of support, but I don't go for Phanon so IDK.

Originally posted by ArteMooNik:

Wow... They really so strong? What about standart battelship with arc emmiters spam?

Really late to this, but all their Star Overwatch platforms have a Phanon Tech Inhibiter, which sets your ships armor AND shield penetration to 0.

Also, I've gotten up to Alpha level stuff, but i haven't figured out what all this stellarite talk is about. Do you guys know how to get to stellarite?

Nope. Not at all