If you get tech x rubber cement plus light shot, the bullet just don't go away.

literally 8 months later:

bro just made devildeals useless💀

@x Wyvern x
Thanks for trying.

I just wanted to say this, please don't blame me, not even for not writing sooner, I hope you understand

I'm not working on trisagion rework, and I doubt I'll ever pick it again.

In the first place, trisagion is not light shot, I never made light shot to be a booster item, they copy pasted the code with the limitations that the modding carried, there's no easy or hard fix.

I tried many things that I never posted, asked friends, and struggled for a long time trying to get ideas to reduce lag and keep the moving lasers, but both things can't coexist as long as lasers are too heavy on the computer.

I'm not going to try to fix something that is not mine anymore, I stopped modding due to the frustration of the trisagion mod I kept trying to make, if anything, I just want to forget about this mod and move to other things, and maybe I could make mods again in the future.

Please don't subscribe to this, it's outdated.

I'm so sorry.

@LilyChickne can you tell me what synergies were removed please? I really wanna know and I don't wanna risk my save file to go back to ab+

look how they massacred my boy.

seriously when they released it they removed all synergies and made it boring

He's working on it. Check the comments below.

does this work with repentance

The true holy brim

This is what trisagion is based on yes.

basically trisagion

Which channel in the isaac discord will you be discussing this in? And if possible could I be a tester for this item if that's something you would want of course.

It's also a more developed version of the other idea.

You have small balls of light that orbit around you, they don't do damage or collide, and their number depends on the simultaneous shots you can do, for example if you had inner eye you would have 3 balls, firing will make one of these grow into a big one and move into the player's direction, they respawn based on your tear delay and the time it takes for you to consume one of these is really small, so you can stack them and shoot them in a barrage.

Now, these balls of lights are essentially big tears with laser effects, even though they are not lasers, and some synergies work differently while using Trisagion, similarly to Mom's knife changing the behaviour of synergies due to the knife.

The balls of light do aoe damage upon contact and disappear into a ripple of light, and while they move they also have a trail of light that does damage and synergizes in a special way (this is because it's neither a tear or a laser)

It's a proof of concept though.

Holy light beams is already the revelation item, and it's too similar to brimstone anyway, about the crack the sky effect I tested two versions.

The first one was to make tears fall from the sky on a mark, it was interesting to see them falling and apply visual effects like flat stone or tiny planet, it isn't possible with lasers and ended up being way worse than tears or lasers due to the verticality of the effect, it didn't really do anything with synergies.

The second one was a proof of concept I never fully finished, basically a custom sprite that looked like a laser, similarly to the crack the sky laser but falling instead of appearing instantly, but it didn't solve the problem either.

These days I'm gonna work on another idea, but it's a bit difficult to code so might take a few days to have it working, and tbh I should be moving these conversations to the discord server.

Well, here's the idea for those who're interested.

I'm interested in the second solution you presented. I have a different solution too. Maybe you could make the attack similar to the holy light beam fired by the angel bosses or a crack the sky effect? I'm not sure I'm throwing ideas out here.

I'm struggling to find a solution, so if you have any ideas for a potential rework please post them here, I'm looking for something that uses not many entities, can synergize, resembles energy / light and behaves differently than other weapons somehow.

Again, I'm sorry but to make this good for everyone I have to improve the overall concept.

The first is the one that I've been working on since the start, small lasers that change in shape and movement inheriting both, laser and tear effects, but mainly being a short range laser, this comes with good and bad things, it's really similar to brimstone, which in part is what I wanted, a counterpart to brimstone, and fix the issues the old one has, the bad part is that people say it's boring.

The second is one that I'm thinking about, because it would change how it's played completely:
Instead of lasers, you would get a ball of light (works similar to tears but with a few different changes) that bends in the direction of enemies and explodes into ripples of light on contact, and while moving has a trail of light that does damage and may synergize the same way than lasers. This one is just a concept and I'm not sure how good it would go, and to make sure that it works properly I might need to limit the number of shoots you do (things like 20/20, inner eye etc...)

Just to clarify something here, as I saw some comments on the Discord Server, I thought it was worth saying it here too for other people.

While I'm working on the Better Trisagion mod, I'm not working with Kil, I just talked with him once about it, discussed how to fix it and got to a solution, but all of that is on his part, what I'm doing is my own solution for until a rework comes, or if after the rework people still want the old trisagion in the game.

After it's finished I might do a version for Afterbirth+ if it's worth the time.

Right now I'm looking for ideas to potentially make it different from brimstone and other weapons while making it resemble the original, overall there are two different ideas.

People hating on Trisagion are idiots. It's one of the best items in the game. The ONLY reason I sometimes don't pick it up is because it can crash your game easily.

Honestly, I'm just happy with it as long as the item's fun to use.

But overall, it looks like even the modded version of Trisagion is not enough too comply with the goal.

Trisagion is not meant to be a tear effect, but a new weapon, having it a charged attack, and still do something completely different to the other weapons in the game AND resemble the original is nearly if not impossible.

I'm trying to get some ideas but none of them work with lasers as lasers are really limited by the api.

The plan is to make it work, fix bugs and any problems that it could cause and then work on synergies, but if the idea changes over time because it's not unique enough and feels boring, I want to do something about that before working on synergies.

Now, I've been struggling with that for a long time, I didn't get anywhere with that, so this is the current result.

Posting on the Discord is still awkward for me, but I will see.

The synergies look very good and the rework is much more interesting than Angel Brim. Keep up the hard work, I can't wait to see it be done!

And whilst I'm not exactly good at coming up with synergies, maaaaaybe have Compound Fracture/Cricket's Body do somethin' fun with tear splitting, since parasite already does something? Like, I dunno, spurting out smaller holy beams? Dunno.

Honestly, my suggestion? Don't pay the haters much mind. If they can't be bothered to give criticism politely towards someone who made a mod for FREE, they probably shouldn't have their opinion taken into consideration.
Most of the complaints I've seen fall under the following:
-The booster pack neutered the damage output
-The booster pack neutered the synergies
-The item is recolored brimstone
And based on what I've seen so far, I think posting it in the discord would lead to a much more positive reaction than prior. Even then, most of the major issues with the item were because of the booster pack - not the mod itself.

I'm working on it, though I'm not gonna lie, the feedback I got about it and the infinite amount of hate people have around it is making things really hard.

I recently posted in reddit to get some synergy ideas, I even worked on a small preview video showcasing only a few things to not spoil much, however people seem to ignore and not like it, so I'm currently looking for other feedback.

I would like to post it in the discord server I'm too afraid that it will be ignored or memed.

This is the reddit post, it also contains the link to the preview.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/nnlf5o/new_trisagion_mod_ideas_for_special_synergies/

Right now I mostly fixed bugs, and I'm working on missing synergies.

I'm glad you plan on reworking this item. Kil has a lot of unfinished rep content to do plus managing the api and all of the current stuff so I'm interested in what you'll come up with :)

well, if _Kil does something remotely similar to the rework it would be insanely cool, not gonna lie.

I'm loving the visuals and idea of mechanics so far, looking forward to the release!

That looks amazing tbh, great work so far!

I already talked with Kilburn, my rework is far different from what he has planned because of api limitations, though I don't know if he's gonna go for something like it or different.

The idea was to make Trisagion a charged attack and make the laser be a trail that follows it's head who moves and synergies like a tear.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/290851188210008066/840191196059271178/trisagion-iteration.gif

and wow that looks insanely awesome!

maybe you could work with Kilburn and make your rework official?

Here's a little preview with Trisagion + Chocolate Milk + Brimstone (you can see how the visuals and sounds are different depending on the size of the laser too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uJBYc_rwzo

I'm working on the Better Trisagion mod, which is a rewrite of the current Trisagion, there's still a lot of things to do before it can work properly but here's a few things I can confidently say about it.

It will crash way less due to how the new trisagion works, that also means less lag.
All broken and buggy synergies are fixed (like trisagion + ipecac)
It works with Azazel and his tainted version.
It will behave way better, things like being reliant on shot speed will be completely irelevant, the damage is fixed too and will behave different for some synergies.
It will also feature new synergies like with brimstone and dr. fetus.

The problem is that the list of things to fix is a big too big and I have to code manually synergies like tiny planet, my reflection and continuum, so you'll all have to wait until I have that, I can't give a date for that but I hope it comes before Kilburn makes a Trisagion rework.

TL;DR: More synergies, fixed bugs, lag and crashes, it's good now.

The sprite, graphics and sounds are better in the mod than the official trisagion :(

Looking forward to the Trisagion rework mod! This mod is a lot better than what we got in the actual game.

Nice to hear that, I really liked the concept of Lightshot and Trisagion (although I've never tried out lightshot itself), Repentance decided to turn trisagion and ipecac in a guaranteed death for whatever reason, which reminded me that a fix was in the planning years ago.

I'll definetly be waiting and hoping for the fix one day!

With repentance now out I'm looking to do that and a few more things, however, it won't be released in this mod post but as a new mod.

To be more specific, the idea is to rewrite Trisagion, fix a lot of the things that were supposed to ship with the booster pack that they cut out and add more synergies, but you will have to wait until repentance opens to modding and work on it.

I wanted to do it before but I never really got into Isaac back after the Genesis mod, but Repentance... yeah, time to go back to modding I guess.

Although don't expect it to be the same way it was before, I will be replacing the trisagion item with a new lightshot as Trisagion.

Sorry about this long wait, I might need to get into modding back before I'm able to rewrite it properly, but I can say for sure that I'll release it soon after repentance opens to modding.

Is the mod that will fix Trisagion to be more like how lightshot was intended to be still in the works?

i've encountered this weapon in my game without subscribing to this mod

Sooo, I should assume Trisagion will forever be that item that was amazing as a mod, but the Booster Pack killed?

...damn, I really hate that.

Where is the trisagion fix? ;'(

how is going the trisagion fix?

Its a really great mod that just needs a little bit of polishing, really enjoy it.

:( I really hope the Trisagion would be fixed

still a good item though

a bit of a let down, would have prefered charged up angelic laser crosses

Much better here than in the booster pack 4. Actually has synergies here.