I also want to say that you're work on this mod is commendable! From this member of the community, I want to truly say we appreciate the labor of love you've put into the mod <3

On an aside, sometimes if Byzantium has rebels spawn before their war with Apulia ends, and the rebels spawned in magna graecia and they seize control of the province(s) there, Apulia will sometimes peace out Byzantium by taking all of the magna graecia provinces except for those controlled by rebels. And Apulia does not usually try to fight and destroy the rebels and then take control of those provinces during the war.

@ShyGuy13 Hello! I have noticed that certain events no longer fire with the lastest update. In particular, "Fall of the Catepanate" for Apulia and Byzantium does not fire. I believe because some of the events are tied to the removed mission trees, but I could be mistaken. I just wanted to bring it to your attention that some of those linked events are missing. Apulia still seems to conquer all of the remainder of southern Italy from Byzantium though, that part remains, but then Apulia cannot convert all the Griko provinces to Sicilian via event as they used to be able too. And Byzantium does not lose all of their tributaries and such as they did with that event.

alright, understood!

good luck on the mod, have a nice day

@Blackbird Vanilla mission trees are horribly designed, there's no way they will be added to VN.

why are you getting defensive? all i said is the mod wouldve been better with the vanilla & DLC trees, it's my own opinion

@Blackbird don't make me tap the sign: "Mission Trees are temporarily removed from the mod to make them better. If this bothers you to the point you can not play the game, feel free to contribute as there is only one active dev or wait until the tree you want is added."

@Blackbird You want to help on this matter?

mod would've been a lot better with mission trees

@andreiwolds You weren't rude but if you had just scrolled down in the comments you would've seen why the trees weren't working and you wouldn't have spent the weekend trying to make it work.

@CAM. Sorry if i sounded rude, i just been trying to make this work the entire wekeend that i didn't read the others posts, i think its that the modder's are working on the mod to make it better. it was the mod that i most enjoy when i played EU4.

@andreiwolds don't make me tap the sign: "Mission Trees are temporarily removed from the mod to make them better. If this bothers you to the point you can not play the game, feel free to contribute as there is only one active dev or wait until the tree you want is added."

my missions tree aren't loading what i do?

@Glumper Didn't respond to the right guy, mate. I was on the side of the mission trees, but yeah, I fully agree with you.

I love this mod and just wanted to thank all the developers for all the research and work that went into it

I just wanna comment that I love this mod, and fully understand your decision on removing mission trees. I was playing VN the other night and it felt like the EU4 I played as a kid. I didn't realize none of the nations had MT's but I picked Oldenburg, and instead of following some pre-determined MT conquest path, I just played freely like Eu4 used to be played. Making my own goals as I went along.

@Shyguy13 I know I'm kind of late on this but I kind of feel the same way as ReichVictor, I wasn't trying to say that the mod was bad in any way because of the lack of mission trees, and I understand where you are coming from when you say that mission trees aren't crucial to the game-play of Eu4. I was just saying that I personally find mission trees to add a lot of flavor to otherwise bland or uninteresting countries, which I guess is just kind of my fault and I am in no way trying to say you have to cater to players like me. Great mod, keep up the great work.

Suddenly Anatolia got invaded by Seljuk commanders, Manzikert happened. I was playing Seljuk and I didn't fought with Byzantine. So where is my free will? Game is playing itself.

Great Job Brothers!!!!! Thank you!

I see where you're coming from regarding mission trees not being the same as focus trees in HOI IV. I didn't mean to sound like a dick or discourage you, I'm sorry. While I still really like mission trees I'll try to play some more so I can give the mod a chance and see the flavor it *does* have in other departments.

And I agree on what @Cam said. From a modder's viewpoint, getting your mod constantly called boring, bland or unfinished after releasing the biggest mod update since 2020 but deactivating a small portion of the mod *temporally to rework it* is very very discouraging.

I have said it before but I can repeat it:
This has never been a mod that you play for its mission trees. They are way too time-consuming to make or to maintain while adding barely anything valuable to the mod.
Mission trees in VN have been outdated, bugged or low-quality for long which was the reason why I (the only person working on this mod these days) removed them with the latest update. If people want missions trees so badly, they have to contribute them themselves as I don't prioritize them during mod development. Even if I wanted I simply couldn't do it because of simple manpower reasons.
Also, I disagree on the part where people here call missions a crucial part of the game. Paradox made them that way to have a selling point for their latest DLCs. But mission trees in eu4 aren't supposed to be focus trees from hoi4. There is no gameplay reason why you'd want to make them crucial to the campaign or lock flavor behind mission trees like the most recent vanilla trees did.

@ReichVictor
There is no need for you to enjoy the mod.
If you don't enjoy it don't play it.
Mod creators are not developers as in they don't have to fulfill customer needs.
They create the mod because they like it that way. If other people like it as well that's a nice thing.
But if people like you or others don't like it then it shouldn't bother them even 0.1%, it's irrelevant.

Well then, please tell me what exactly each nation has to make it unique besides the starting location? All I said is that I find playing for 300 years with just a single event or disaster boring. But I might be wrong, if there's a ton of flavor through these, please enlighten me so I can enjoy the mod.

@ReichVictor, so people are allowed to nag for trees while not offering to help out, and people annoyed by the whiners can't respond? Interesting logic there. You call us dicks yet, you describe ShyGuy13's work on the new update as the game having "no flavor" and "boring" which personally is WAY ruder than any of us making fun of you guys for ignoring all the other stuff that isn't tied down to mission trees.

As someone who loves to play in the Caucasus and mainly plays Voltaire Nightmares because of how detailed the region is, thanks so much for adding persia. It makes the game so much better now.

yeah, i understand. I was talking about the others like @heffy and @Cam who are just dicks

All I said is that mission trees will get reworked step by step but get low priority during development lol. People are welcomed to help on this.

You guys are lame as fuck. People are entitled to their own opinion, and if they like mission trees so be it. All they're saying is to point out that mission trees are also important

wheres my mission trees i am entitled to hundreds of unique mission trees and im going to ignore all the unique events

Absolutely no one is saying that the mod is objectively bad or that the devs are lazy for not maintaining the mission trees. All I and I assume other people who share my opinion are saying is that mission trees are a integral part of Eu4's gameplay and I think they not only just plainly make the game better no matter what nation you pick, but they also greatly enrich the usability of many smaller countries.

People here really underestimate the amount of time you need to make a good mission tree.

well well well ShyGuy13 updated the mod with the first batch of revamped/new missions for Normandy, Anglo-Saxony, Assyria, Brandenburg, Frisia. If there's a tree you want to see, feel free to contribute in any way.

In all seriousness if you want the mission trees to come back, help ShyGuy13 out with making them or just wait for them to come back.

at least i can play the game without missions lmao

Very mature

waaaaaaah no mission trees, i'll ignore all the events, ideas, reforms, monuments, privileges, and disasters that help enrich the countries because i can't play without my heckin mission tree :((((((((((((((((((((((((((( evil dev

I thought my safe was broken, but now I read that you removed all mission trees. So sad I wanted to start a new game. :(

I absolutely love this mod and easily spent hundreds of hours playing it. However, I don't think I will pick it back up without mission trees...

Mission trees are way too time-consuming to make and maintain for a mod as big as VN. There's no point in spending dev time on a single mission tree just so that 1 out of 2000 tags gets additional flavor when you can use the same amount of dev time for improvements that make more than just 1 tag better.

Agreed, mission trees are the same as focus trees in HOI IV. Without it there's no flavor and the game is just boring

Klaus, that's exactly what I'm thinking too. Still an awesome mod, but I think missions are a very integral part of the gameplay for me, and not having them really bugs me when I play this mod.

Removing the missions was honestly a really bad move, they gave directions to players to understand how to play their country, what they could focus on and historical events, their removal makes this play like age of empires than eu4.

I hope you didn't like playing minors or being a trade country because now every country is the same.

hello, first of all i wanna say THANK YOU for this mod,Obsessed would be an understatement, PLEASE do this kind of magic on eu5 when it comes out, if possible with the same concept of longer timeline, possibly including all high middle ages that would be awesome. 3questions. First, i noticed that if i start the mod in 1444 like eu4 simulation speed is much faster. But if i start it before, which i love to do, it's so slow, especially once you conquer a bit. I can never expand more than let's say a byzantium plus hungary as size of a country...doing so makes it super slow, and every first day of the month takes forever to start the new month. is it something you can fix?would be amazing if the game flew much faster and we could actually try a world conquest. Second: can you bring back the mission trees or perhaps even expand them?Third can you upload a super hd map of what you have created on a website? an accessible one with all location and data related to it?

Я чето не понял а почему все миссии для уникальных стран закомментированы?

yo ShyGuy13, I went into the mod folder and I can see that most of the missions are still there, how did you do that, that they are there but not being taken into consideration? Why do you still have the missions whilst saying you removed them? It just makes no sense to take them away and with that the fun which most people have with the game...
Got a bit frustrated over the weekend and started to write a mission tree for luxembourg, however the mod doesn't seem to recognize it due to your black magic... what a bummer so I can't even test it

dude are you blind? xD
Under the title of a mod there's 4 tabs, one says change notes :)

What was added in this content update? Or where could I read the patch notes?

Do you know when the mission trees should be back for the most part?

>Biggest content update to the mod since 2020
>"It just makes it so bland"