healing feels very strong, i had two units of avelorn archers and 3 reg archers firing at a count nocilus on his collosi and he took no damage

yeah siege maps = utter garbage in wh3 i instantly auto resolve them

There was aslo some deamottes in the mix

Hm perhaps it is map based. Slaneesh forsaken were engaged with HE spears inside elf gate map, on inside of the gate area in the battle map, my helms charged them from inside. Half my helms charged the forsaken. Have charged right out the gate, 2-3 units length away

They are normal for me in my tests. what unit r u charging at?

Silver Helms models disperse really strangely when charging

My only suggestion, would be to decrease archer accuracy

This model in advertently increases the AIS threat level, making the game funner and more unpredictable.

Thank ♥♥♥♥ for this mod. N’kari finally doesn’t die by a few archer valleys because the AI just sends them in.

yo atlas if it aint for you just leave brutha. its a modification, not the base game. LOL

Mod is great.

Well exaggeration won't help and the first sentence of the description says "improves the look, feel and >realistic< expectation of battles".

I could type counter points to your comment all day but I got better stuff to do. Perhaps some values are to costly though, I'll lower them just for you, though pleasing you sounds impossible.

how this mod ruins battles i'll never know, from calvary "running" at the same speed as enemy infantry after a charge or every unit in the game's stamina being reduced to zero to the point walking to battle basically makes them "active" or below. Seige battles are broken too as when any attacking unit gets onto or passes through the walls they become instantly winded halving all stats, making trash like gobos, french peasants or even skaven slaves beat proper tier 2 frontlines, thats wack af

ah thats a shame

i just tried with radious. it is not working as it should. radious adds way too much hp to the units making it hard to deal enough damage. and they dont even rout when they are down literally 1 hp. that is the main reasons i dont play with radious because it does not make sense. i really want to play with all those different cool looking units but i guess thats not going to happen :) this mod made me enjoy the game already. feels like playing rome all over again :D

You can use whatever you want but don't expect it to work as intended. I plan on testing removing the changes to battle entities to see how it goes to improve mod compatibility but we'll see.

"SFO/Radious ⚠️ (Two overhauls don't work together...)"
Are you saying we can use one of these with this mod?

what a cool mod, battles are more realistic and good looking (with spacing) with this one. I wonder if it works with characters resize mod. going to try that now. only problem is that when enemy routs, you still cant damage them as such as like you should be. :)

I'll look into the speed terrain stuff, I never fight in settlements so I assume that has never happened before? I've seen units get left behind if they get stuck in terrain or blocked by enemy units.

That's just CA's god tier map making skills. They set what the terrain is when they make the map, can't do anything about it, we cannot edit the battle maps, I'd be all over it if we could. You will see much grass without seeing much grass.

Love the update!

Combat isn’t so yeetus-deletus anymore, it has balanced out the cav issue abit too.

Only concerns:

Speed terrain debuffs can be harsh in settlements, making unit models disconnect oddly (6 archers on wall while rest of unit is halfway across the world, or some odd shuffle blobs)

Also, some maps will have stone road in a cathay fort, but hovered over says “Grass” when it is visibly stone road

Updated. Major changes are:

Added terrain stat effects and tool tips in battle. Example: Mud, it now reduces the combat efficiency of small units. Small units standing in mud will take a leadership hit as well and other stat debuffs which the tool tip will show you when hovering over the ground with a certain unit type selected.

Leadership changes: Units will now fight longer before routing via total damage taken. They rally faster and up to 4 times from 3. Near by routing enemies and friends has been balanced, -2 per unit.

Base melee hit chance has been lowered to 15 from 35. This added +35 attack to all units which made low tier units perform better and high tier units perform worse. It also speed up combat. Now combat will be noticeably slower but more importantly unit balance has completely changed. Melee stats are now much more impactful and lord combat will be way more stat dependent.

Will update description and changes at another time, let me know what you think.

Surprisingly no, it'll work. My changes will work, regardless of load order, his ignored. He changes a lot more though so it'll definitely be a different experience than what I tested for and intended.

Of course incompatible with this one? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3575054982 Even if I put yours, which I like the most, last in load order¿

battle entities changes probably won't

Hello, good afternoon!!! I have SFO and an SFO mod that makes the unit statistics vanilla. Would this mod work?

perhaps, miscast damage is in projectiles_explosions_tables

There is a sub mod that reverses the unit spacing changes

i miss brutal battles 2, the mobby mob infantry were so fun to use, but they all line up like trained soldiers in this

Would also be nice if tomb, King Lords on war Sphinx have the construct attribute

How do you feel about increasing the damage on miscasts? Feels underwhelming at the moment

Seems like cav nerf changes were effective

Reigned in their power a little, but has not obliterated them

Goodjob

yes see morale changes

Does this mod have any effect on fear and terror?

Specifically, making terror, more impactful

you cannot edit attributes like perfect vig

Have you ever considered changing what Perfect Vigour does?

Like perhaps a -2% vigour loss instead of never getting tired.

Thanks, will test and let you know!

Updated. Cav nerf, anti cav buff.
Grail Knights Perfect Vigor REMOVED.
charging fatigue cost increased from 40 to 45
collision_damage_immunity_timer increased from .9 to 1
charge_reflect_damage_multiplier increased from 1.5 to 1.7
bracing_charge_reflector_bonus increased from 10 to 20

Feedback welcomed but please provide detail when doing so, i.e pictures or videos.
There are other cav with perfect vig but mostly RoRs, we'll see if they need to be removed too in time.

testing now but blood knights are not ideal testing units since they got -300 leadership and crumble and die. But so far they don't seem any better than "normal" high tier cav.

Ah okay, i feel reverting the charge bonus durarion and nerfing speed would be great

Problem now is units with perfect vigour or high tier cav like blood nights can just constantly zoom in and out of every single unit to the point where even units with charge defence don’t make an impact

whenever they actually get their next update released. focusing on my chaos mod atm but might make time for it sooner

Any eta on cav nerf?

Its ridiculously easy to get 1000 kills with bloodknights lol

Yeah i feel the crush damage is too high, the knockback and ability to weave in and out of units without charge defence is good, but the crush damage is too high

Perfect figure is just a disgusting ability in this mod, if it granted -2% vigour loss reduction

It would be far less broken.


Fatigue and vigour are just so important in this mod as they should be

sounds like terror routing, something that basically never happens in vanilla but now morale and leadership actually function much better. otherwise i have no idea what that is if you mean you can still move and attack with units that are routing. this mod only changes database values extremely unlikely it causes any code bugs.

units are routing but still able to be controlled. this makes the ai really confused, because they ignore routing units

Not sure, I don't test the submods for balance as I don't use them and only ensure that they work since people asked for them.

Cav nerf will most likely just be one value change. I will increase the immunity timer for collision and look into collision damage and coefficients. Cav shouldn't be great in melee as many more units should be hitting them but that's in theory and doesn't really happen. I'll test that too. Fatigue is very good at keeping cav in check in long term though.

are the submods balanced for the new bloodnight units? i.e armor rng removal and revert spacings?

For cav, I’m thinking maybe make their melee prowess weaker, are they take more damage in combat because in theory they should be really good on attack, but their defence should be not as formidable

Since you could basically cut off the leg of a horse with a giant ax, and then the rider is dead

Maybe a D buff to their charge bonus as well or at least it’s duration

I understand what they said about perfect bigger and the grail nights, dude will just speed run through everything

Good job with Vigo loss fatigue is very effective now especially duration. It takes time replenish.

Will there be a simple mod for dense rows?

yeah, not much i can do about perfect vig, removing it would lower mod compatibility, cav need a little nerf