displaces expected team color, and the red oriented brown is now replaced with a neutral gray. Its not atrocious, but keep team color where it is expected to be

i really want a style where the whole top part is paintable to make a sasha wong loadout

Red team where?

this kind of looks like Adolf hit outfit maybe remove the arm bands and open the jacket more or do something

I like the blue version, but I afraid that red version can mess the team recognition (not enough red?)

I do think it's fair to say the cosmetic ends up having a rather "blob of singular color" look, but that's expected from a cosmetic that's a full-piece suit. Me and Square have recently made something similar for Engineer, and there's simply no way to go about it (other than making a suit where pants don't match the jacket, which some could say goes against the 50s/60s look of suits where both matched).

However, the points about saturation, bulkiness and "lack of texture" are simply irrational, as Moon put them, are either disprovable, or unavoidable. This item is very, very close to achieviing the 1:1 with TF2's "official" style, with the only key difference being that it's actually more textured than the OG models. However, this goes in line with how cosmetics went on to be more "attractive". Now nearly everyone adds nice seams, texture overlays and heavier shadows as these are more eye catchy than the easily-iteratable flat colour textures seen on 640x480 monitors.

It really does just seem like a lot of nitpicking that boils down to your own opinion, Endi.

As far as bulkiness goes I don't think it's that noticeable and when you focus on it I think it's still inoffensive. The color looks fine to me too. I always think cosmetics like these could be benefitted by being tinted a little more red like how blu cosmetics are often tinted blu, but the fact it goes with heavy's default pants makes up for that. There's also plenty of detail to break up the tannish grey here, with the bullets, gloves and tie, pokckets, armbands, and undershirt. And the whole argument of how heavy doesn't have a tannish-grey suit has no correlation as to whether or not it fits the game. Just because the game is old does not mean that everything that works well with the characters has been done.

Bro think he is beta spy

The pants are fine because they already have that colour and don't cause issues, which i did point out. And as for the bulk, there are multiple jackets already in the game that have found ways to handle said bulkiness very well (Commissar's Coat, Heavy Metal, Siberian Sweater) so i don't really see why that would be an issue unless you simply don't wish to do it. The comparison on the bullets and red i find to be weird, as that wasn't the point and much like the pants, are small parts of the model. For the textures, that is also incorrect on your part, as his colours and textures are simple, but also are not divided into multiple different colours and parts (dark black vest, red shirt, arms) while this one is a simple flat colour with not too much to break it apart, which isn't good when putting into perspective the games style and gameplay.

There is also no jacket items in-game that hold these colours that you speak of, all of them have darker and or more "muted" colours than this one (gold, black, grey. no light greys etc), that focus on the more red and blue parts of the clothes, which are better fitting and are able to be better paired with other items, which is a sign of a good item, as this one even on its one does not have much going on with it. This one stands out to the eye in a indecent way because it uses a colour meant for only a small part of the players model that also is no-where to be found other than a few hats (such as pilotka, not large parts of the body).

I am afraid you've misinterpreted my critiques, all of what i have said aren't simply opinions, they are based upon the comparisons of all the other items which are already within the game, that show how jackets and vest cosmetics should be handled and are to made, this jacket is by all means and facts, not good when compared to the other ones as it lacks those necessary attributes i.e not the right colours, texture and look.

I'm unsure if there's maybe some general confusion on what the word "saturation" means; it refers to chromatic intensity. I see many comments on saturation that are objectively and provably incorrect, or otherwise misuse the term.

Thank you for your criticism however, I hope you can use this comment to find ways to improve your critiquing methods in the future.

I hate the 1000 character limit on comments

As for the second part, a lot of the criticism you have provided there is a bit lacking in substance or workable action, or is again otherwise incorrect. It's textured in a similar way to Heavy's base model textures, yet is also more detailed as a result of his default body textures being mostly flat colours with occasional gradients. Any bulkiness is a result of having to make body cosmetics fit over the top of a character's existing model and is therefore unavoidable.
There's no way to simplify this item further outside of just making it fully red/blue, which would be far more saturated than the current colour and would look quite silly when worn without a dedicated pants cosmetic. Player freedoms are key (to the extent that they shouldn't impede gameplay for everyone else) and they shouldn't be forced to wear certain items in order to make a loadout work.

You're free to hold your specific personal opinions on this item, but all of the non-opinion information you've provided is factually incorrect.

The suit jacket is color picked from his regular pants, and there are several items in-game that have colours based on his pants. The colour of the jacket is remarkably less saturated than both his regular bullet vest and his default team colouring. It directly fits into the game's palette by being colours taken directly from the game's palette. Almost all shirt items in the game (including suits and suit jackets) are a regular red/blue, which is anything but muted. A comment about a grey/beige suit being unfitting of Heavy's character is a bit of a nonsense statement, too.

@TwoTonMoon Sure thing! 1. The colour, the grey/cream colour on the red side is extremely unappealing and off, it doesn't fit at all with anything when it comes to the games items and hats and as well as not at all befitting him at all as a character, the all same colour jackets is something that you never see in game especially on heavy, as any other jacket or coat has super muted colours and ones much closer to the games actual colour palette. You would never see something this saturated ingame on a character without more mutes colours to break it apart. 2. The way it looks is by all means very low quality in both the sense of textures and character looks, the way it looks super bulky and flat makes unappealing, the way its modeled leaves something to be desired as well, as it recolouring his entire model just looks very off, i think if you tried something a lot simpler it would work better. For the pants however, they are pretty good!

One of the better suit for Heavy I saw on the workshop, and even from afar you can still recognize the player as Heavy. Overall a really good cosmetic.

could you elaborate further on your points?

It honestly just looks really really low quality and a bit bulky. The worst part being the colour as it stands out a ton and doesn't really fit the games style at all, i think you would do well to change it along with adding some more texture to it as it stand very flat and doesn't mesh with a lot of other things either. Other than that ive been seeing your new stuff around and youve been doing some solid stuff, keep at it.

the suit is the same colour as his pants, so you can get a two-piece suit look without any additional cosmetics

My only issue with it is that the BLUE team variant works perfectly while RED team variant is more green than red