Updated with further improvements and fixes. Thanks.

Updated with so many improvements, recreated areas, visuals, fixes and changes to list and remember. Will plan to add another update this week to improve couple more areas. Thanks.

Hi delfy 2

@Depab Le Fou It doesn’t count if I get ridiculed by mental people.

@HEAVEN AND HELLO aren't you the guy who got ridiculed infront of thousands of people by the average f2p?

i love your maps

@Delab LeFou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZkIbKxFec8

@FriendlyLad For fuck sake, please just let him do what he wants.

Man No offense but you need to try to make your maps look different. Like Every halloween map that was not made by you has a Different and interesting look, like : Lumber Mill In A forest Fire (Bone Saw), Mexican Town celebrating, day of the dead (de los murtos), A haunted castle Laboratory (Hastle Castle). An empty pier at night (Laughter). Meanwhile every map you make is, Industrial site with, purple sky wooden buildings, and Random bosses. Idk And they all Play the same to. Tight chokes, constantly spawning bosses, spell Spam! You really need to take inspiration from what everyone else is making, Like take a few months and see what else everyone else is doing, get some advice/ Take notes get play testers, ETC. The fans are starting to crack down on the workshop because we are tired of cheaply made content being put into the game. Do better.

Oh God no, another ICS map

Ok, played it. I'll admit. I'm wrong. you went above for this one. miniculus is cool, not a fan, could've been like merasmus or an actual boss, but I get why not. it plays fine. not a big fan but its gonna be added anyway since its an ICS map so at least I know the map before everyone else.

I'm gonna comment before and after playing it, this is before, literally just gravestone and hellstone combined. im gonna go play and give back my comments, another scream fortress another ICS map.

Someone is taking sweet time on accepting. Almost 6 hours and still not accepted but new update out as soon as it gets accepted to the workshop. Changelog here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/3030745323

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I'm not talking about the like button, I was talking about liking the map so much that they wanted to buy map stamps from the Mann co store for them.

I agree that the workshop rating could use improvement as well as map displayment. Few years ago I did a test on this trend, you can see it at my workshop submissions. SImple TEST submission got more attention at a quiet time, just because it was submitted when there were not many other maps being made and people vote it regardless, without seeing screenshots and shown only unfinished map sketch ingame.

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Recent years i've submitted maps later time, because my maps have been completed later. Map makers who have a lot of social media interaction, followers and friends, their works gets shown more at the front and upvoted. I do not have this option, as I barely have friends or use social media.

Some of my stuff has been there too, when I have submitted maps earlier. So your analysis is flawed in this regard as well as the amount of people who in your opinion, dislike my maps. I know my maps arent bad maps, even though you seem to paint a picture like that from them.

Thanks anyway.

@Kimmy exactly this. If you check ICS's workshop you can see over time the ratings for their maps keep getting worse and worse (starting with 5 stars for their maps, then 4 stars, then 3 stars, which is now), mainly because 1. People are getting sick of seeing the same maps with the same aesthetics and gameplay over and over again, and 2. People are finally starting to stop relying on screenshots as a way to gauge how good a map is ever since Frostwatch and Wutville happened.

I'm actually happy seeing this recent trend of people being more tough on workshop creators, cause Valve obviously doesn't have the best quality control when it comes to this game, so seeing people not just blindly rating every mediocre map that gets published to the workshop 5 stars makes me really hopeful. And I hope it makes these workshop creators make better stuff as a result.

If by thousands of people who like it you mean people who pressed the 'Like' button, then it's because people only looked at how the map looked on screenshots and never even played it before. That's how we get stuff like Wutville or Frostwatch in the game. Thankfully people now actually check what they vote for.

Everyone has their own opinions and its fine to express that. In my experience most of the issues are usually non-issues, because the players skill and team class composition are important part of the maps. There are real issues posted too, which have been handled and fixed.

Lots of heated in moment comments have clearly been posted and even less comments from the people who actually like the maps I do. I would hope Valve would put out a feedback form into the game where players could type comments end of the match that would get posted to workshop.

Theres roughly maybe ~50 negative comments throughout all my maps and there are thousands of people who like the maps and have bought map stamps because of it. Regardless, thanks for the feedback.

New update for this map will propably be out tomorrow.

All this 'hate' comes not out of nowhere just now. Almost under every of your maps people complain about them in comments section. First of all, all your payload maps look almost identical. Take one screenshot from each one and ask someone if they know what map is it and they might even say that it's the same map. Secondly, ridiculusly unbalanced map geometry. Erebus probably takes the cake as the most unblanaced Halloween map with the most confusing laouyt in the game. Precipice is right behind it with either RED defence on first or last point or BLU steamroll if RED is not fast enough to reach their positions.

I mean this with no hate whatsoever: Please make something different for once, TF2's file size keeps getting more and more bloated because of generic mediocre maps like these that are essentially the same both in terms of aesthetic and gameplay as your previous ones. I only say this cause I KNOW this is gonna get added this Scream Fortress even with the terrible rating and I'm just tired of seeing the same stuff again and again.

Feels wrong to me to judge something by its cover. Regardless of what you may think, this is a solid map, easy to understand and has that nostalgic halloween look and feel.

I firmly believe on what I do and have confidence on my own work. Obviously I cannot please everyone and thats ok. Thanks for the feedback.

My biggest concern is aesthetic. I understood point about gameplay and maybe layout(Don't like Payload very much so it really matter of taste) but in fact of presentation it not making me playing itself.

I'm not insisting that you must change your pallet or building style immediately but why not try something different? That why I downvoted: not because I hate you or something but because I see just a bit of will to experiment, progress in matter of style and try to work harder on presentation of your creation. No evil intended and I wish you luck in your hard and diligent hobby.

ics please stop making halloween maps, they keep getting accepted and none of them are good

your regular maps were better man

I've updated the map and as soon as it is accepted to the workshop, you can play it. Changenotes can be found here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/3030745323

One final say to the matter of me and my maps. If you dont like my maps, thats completely fine. But if you downvote them just because "its another ics map" then thats wrong way to do it.

If you try them out ingame, you can see theres a lot of effort put into each and everyone of my maps. I've spent months and countless of hours creating all these maps on my free time and i'm no professional at it and i use what tools and skills that I have. I do these maps because I love the game and playing it, just like most of you do. Thanks.

I think its nice to still have some normal halloween maps thrown in with all the new vscript shenanigans to balance things out this year, this map is really good for what it is, a classic, not too many gimmicks and frills halloween map. simple and effective. I wish you guys the best on getting in the game this year.

Great map, but maybe for your next map try different aesthetic so all of them dont look the same.

If you have nothing that would contribute to development of this this map, you can stop posting. Thanks.

You have like 6 maps in tf2 already and they all suck. I'm not surprised why your work is downvoted, you had too many chances to redeem yourself and each time you failed miserably

@ICS don't worry, keep doing what you love

Sadly theres some people who seem to hate everything I do and simply downvote my works. Currently this submission at the time of writing has 39% of total downvotes. But dont worry, I will make more maps!

However, update to this map coming tomorrow or day after tomorrow. Thanks!

Ayy let's go, another ICS map. Stiff competition but this is pretty good

Map is really Crazy in a Good way. Very fun experience playing this map. The Burning ghost would be a really good addition to scream fortress and the MINICULUS. Amazing Map I hope gets in this scream fortress

You should see my previous comment for better understanding on why I make maps.

I can't imagine making basically the same thing over and over again...

I mean, even ignoring how profitable these maps might be. Like, don't you just wanna do something different every once in a while? Switch things up a bit???

idk, for me this is yet another payload map that I will ignore for entirety of Scream Fortress.

Some like stuff that I do, some dont. I dont look at other maps and go "oh i need to do this" and that because they did that too. I make maps that I would like to play myself. In the end its about apples & oranges, different tastes.

The points are named as such on purpose, I figured people will recognize that as you did too. So that idea worked as I intended. The points are named after spellbook pages on Brimstone and that was also intentional.

Thanks for the feedback.

i never called the map itself lazy, im calling the control point names lazy. theyre just named after his other maps which i find lazy.

im calling the map boring because its the same old same old he always makes.

im comparing this map to the maps that are being made this year because theyre the competition he has to one-up right now.

Not everyone has the time or a full team to make a great original map, i think this one follows the road of the previous maps of ICS, but they arent bad, its just classic, pure scream fortress, and i like that, i dont know know how can you say its lazy compared to maps like soul-mill or ghoulpit.

Its not because the bar has been raised high this year that everything else that isnt using vscript or fully original is shit.

About the map, well, i think its decent for what it is, classic halloween payload, good stuff, i just think the fire ghost should have his texture reskinned into orange, just saying.

maybe you should consider the fact i DID play the map and find the gameplay to be boring?

its just a normal ''ics halloween map''. it getting bland and boring when you essentially always make the same thing over and over again.

when i compare it to the same maps we got on the workshop this year so far this really falls behind in terms of quality.

you even named the points to ''HELLSTONE'' ''BRIMSTONE'' ''GRAVESTONE'' and ''TERROR''.
i can understand if thats temporary but if thats going to be final thats incredibly lazy.

Maybe you should actually play the map and not just make hasty judgement by looking screenshots and hitting thumb down.

this map looks and plays really boring. its a normal ''ics halloween payload map''.

and when compared to other halloween maps we've gotten so far this just really falls behind quality-wise.