when is the next update coming out?

@Weylando
thank you for your advice!
and how would you rank these different AI's based on their difficulty if i may ask?
is the Deep War AI mod the hardest one there is out here?
i'm trying to find the hardest AI for this game without the AI needing to cheat all the time just to win against me.

@Khazukan Kazakit-ha!

I tried out pretty much all AI mods and of course vanilla. This one gives gave me the best experience on the battle map. AI plays defence if they are unlikely to win, goes on the offensive if you let them. Biggest change is AI way less suicidal, I turned off the mod to try Radious rework as it has it's own AI and AI would CONSTANTLY suicide into my army with garrison for no good reason.

Played bias is also almost gone, where in vanilla or other mods AI just HATES the played, here it's more based on expansion. You can also see the AI actually recruit armies for few turns before they attack, so you can either prep which can scare them away or attack preemptively.

More so AI can comeback if you let them. Leave them one city, they will patiently build and recruit till they can strike back.

I haven't tested if it's a vanilla issue. I only play with mods.

@Flashcrash
with the mod enabled or while playing vanilla?
i'm trying to figure out right now if this mod is worth a try in a few test camaigns or not.

Something feels off the past days. Was playing Karl Franz and Clan Fester and Skullbreakerz factions are close by. A week ago Skullbreakerz was hammering me with armies (I use Incata Power Supply). Now they barely have an army. After I deal with Skullbreakerz I focus on Clan Fester which normally attacks me with all armies at once. Now they attacked my 2 arrmies with their 3 arrmies one by one. So they attacked my 2 armies with 1 army. After I defeated that one they came with the next army. Etc.

If a mod mess around with faction potential, could this and that work or it's incompatible?

how does this mod impact beastmen? can minor and major factions make more armies and make herdstones? guvs beastmen overhaul seems to fix the beastmen and if this mod already does that I dont want any compatability issues

Seems to work fine on newest patch. Also with SFO. That being, it does make some factions really busted, just got smacked by Tomb Kings vs savage orcs, they were able to produce like 10 units every turn? Destroyed one full stack, 2 turns later next one is ready and not just fodder, decent units. It's rough.

Are faction potential of minor factions touched by this mod?

I'm playing as Breton, and the minor factions I'm allied with keep trying to take over abandoned settlements in Norsca and other distant regions.

yep

This still compatible with the latest update to the game & SFO?

Guv: a heroic victory is not a suicide attack.
Chinese guy: It shouldn't slow turns down that much. The AI does think more but on my (nice) PC I've never seen any serious slow downs. Turns naturally slow down in vanilla as the game goes on as well.

Is this mod really slowing down Ai turns by A LOT?
With this mod, turns take longer and longer in an exponential way.

How is this mod differ from Hecleas AI Overhaul?

Yo can you add this patch in your AI mod pls
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3564828635
or a similar one

Also, skaven and chaos dwarf endgame crisis' AI seem to refuse to occupy settlements, just sack.

Many times they do sieges as well, in a city that I have an army in. When I attack back, it's a close victory for me without the AI attempting to retreat, realizing it's a bad deal.

Is this something this mod can fix or is it CA mishap?

I'd like to mention that with the the CA toggles (strategic aggression or whatever its called, and minor faction potential), I had an army commit suicide attacks 3 times with the same army. Both were heroic victories on the settlement.

The faction was Oracles of Tzeentch.

I have no enemies: That AR mod looks interesting, I haven't tried it but someday I will. Try it yourself and see how it goes. Improved AR values could improve DeepWar, in theory.

In my experience this mod is *different* than the vanilla but not better. Luthor Harkon in Lustria rushing all the way to Tehenuin to take them out (basically abandoning the Vamp Coast) while Western Cathay rushed all the way to Chaos wastelands completely ignoring Deathmaster Snik and Lokhir. Estalia gets razed by Beastmen but Ikit just leaves it for 40 turns. Player Bias was worse than vanilla some Chaos factions would dec 1st turn of visibility simply because I had #1 strength (and obviously paper-thin). Playing as Oxyotl (thus why I got to see multiple factions early-mid game strategies)

Am i the only one who never see the Sword of Khaine thing when i play with this mod ? The ai seems to never construct the shrine

he does not really do anything, even when I tell him to conquer a settlement by spending allegiance so that he can make another herd stone and finally raze some settlements to perform a ritual. unfortunately, he always seems to target something else, and goes into hidden encampment stance so I cannot even see where he is despite being his ally

I do not know if anything can be done against this - after all, this is a very niche scenario - but should I simply no longer try to ally with any kind of beastmen no matter where they are, or is it specifically because I took all his starter locations (besides the one where he gets the herdstone)?

(2 comments because of the 1000 character limit)

still playing on the older (not the 6.3) version with SFO, which may or may not contribute to things, and umm... xD...

allying with the herd faction next to me as ikit claw, quickly rushing any settlements affected by the herd stone so that I can actually capture them rather than have them be razed and uncolonizeable, and also spending some money to get trade agreements and eventually even a military alliance - and I have to say, my ally...is kind of ass xD

Experiencing the same issue as Cold, AI will start a siege but never attack even when they have 3 armies.

@Forlorn

I know you guys don't necessarily get along but I respect you both and listen to your expertise in this AI development field. But Hecleas brought up that he thinks SFO baseline has some interference with the AI and that him and Venris couldn't figure it out. Have you noticed this at all with your AI mod? Also Sleepy the modder with his "Campaign AI Tweaks" mod apparently helped make beastmen even deadlier with his mod so I don't know if that is something interesting to look into and possibly enhance your mod further? Yours was already the best with beastmen in my opinion but I have not tried his yet.

@Forlorn

Would the following auto resolve mod work well with your mod or at least not inadvertently alter your AI mod's intentions?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3501256396

AI takes 2+ or 3+ turns just to siege a walled settlement that was garrisoned by a few trash units when they can clearly win easily (Grom full stack with Waargh full stack).

In comparison with vanilla AI, vanilla AI except beastmen is actually very smart if they have the power they will take any advantage and never hesitate to snowball. They only turn braindead post turn 50+.

If only we could have an AI mod that keep the AI being as smart and greedy as vanilla AI but not turning mindless in late game, that would be great.

Does it work with Legion of Nagash Mod?

No it goes at 0 to prevent other mods from overwriting it

@Forlorn just to be perfectly sure, you mean I should put it at the place 0. so that it is overwritten by mods that go after?

I must have put him at the top, I found that it seems like the faction on OVN: Obion Island will also freeze。Can you test where it is incompatible? I haven't found this issue on other ai mods

Genezis: No, other AI mods aren't compat. Yes, put this mod at top manually.

Sounds like jade-blooded vampires aren't compat with deepwar for some reason, try placing deepwar above it. Very strange shouldn't be happening.

Madi: Anti-player is when 10 factions declare war on you, not one who cleverly avoids defenses.

@Forlorn.
I mean, Vilitch early game spending 10+ turns, to go around and come at me to raze one of my settlments, i wouldn't call that a smart move. Maybe after he built up some background to support it, but this seems just ultra anti player stuff.

I only enable Mixer, deepwar ai, Toggle Fog Of War，The Jade-Blooded Vampires: Islanders of the Moon，which will also freeze

I have a lot of mods, but using other AIMODs won't cause the faction to stagnate at the beginning. The faction in The Jade-Blooded Vampires: Islanders of the Moon' completely froze after the first round and didn't do anything

"PUT THIS MOD AT OR NEAR THE TOP OF LOAD ORDER"

what does it actually mean? The mod file name in mod manager is called "DeepWar AI" and currently it's at place 67 in my load order, top priority mods normally have something like ! or @ in front of them to make sure they are at the top.

Am I supposed to manually place the mod at the top above those mods in order for it to work properly?

@Forlorn do you think this mod can be used on combination with Incata's mods like AI Occupation Decision & AI Anti-Cheat?

I am asking because those mods address different things than your mod does, and based on respective mods descriptions, using them together might enhance the experience - on paper.

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2927235297
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2926591990

@zecrayz that mod just reduces the diplomatic penalty for being a strategic threat right? So I don't see reason why it shouldn't be compatible

Do you know if it works well with loreful strategic threat?

Stagnant factions: i cannot comment without full mod list, post in bug reports. there are vanilla issues with some factions.

Madi: Yes why would Villitch suicide into wall

For difficult: I recommend SFO on hardest settings

@Forlorn

New hotfix made some changes to build logic of Warriors of Chaos apparently ... tantalizing news hopefully :)

Also, may I ask if it can be used together with Stronger And Fairer AI?

Excuse me, are there any additional mods that can make the game more difficult? I like the way your mod changes the behavior of the AI. They seem smarter, but the number of troops is still not large enough.

Playing as miao, vilitch just spent dunno how many turns to go around the wall, into the mountains and attack me. Is that legit? Using SFO, limited movement as well, so even longer.

any idea why random lords and factions (not in any wars) will just randomly roam the map? im playing as karl and ive got enchantress and bret king almost north of marienburg. any idea why?

im also having a stagnant faction issue. Im not sure if its a compat problem but some factions do absolutely nothing

Never say never, but AI probably finds more use for him on the field

Ai never embeds skarr bloodwrath legendary hero