This wouldn't do anything to the "meta", it's literally just a bugfix.

Hell yeah make it harder. This would probably the only meta shakeup MvM has had in forever.

Please update this to include the spots on the other maps as well.

of course the person who has "I want to try and get a Golden Frying Pan from MvM." in their bio would be against fixing the exploit that makes the gamemode stupidly easy

No.

hell yeah

time to end the meta

@Rando the Crit Clown
Like I said I don't even play this tour lol. And I said I already voted yes just because it's technically a good fix for the game. Why are you so heated

Good fix! All the complainers are most likely the abusers of it lol. Hope it gets fixed.

After thinking about it a while I support this fix but then again I don't really play big rock so my opinion isn't that informed on how much this is abused

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Breaking the game is the point of MVM, no need to fix anything

I mean I never really saw it being exploited and never did it myself but it's always nice to have some exploit but i do see that it is causing some frustration. It's fair so i guess I will try to exploit it will it's still up :P (I won't, I'm too busy)

Venny, this exploit destroys the mode way more than the cash exploit. You literally can not play if someone is up there. He will, with no exaggeration, kill every single bot as soon as they spawn in before you get a chance to do anything. The only bots that won't be instantly killed are Giants, who will be killed in only a few seconds so you can pretend to help for a brief moment.

If you like sitting around watching someone else play, you should just go on YouTube or Twitch.

Good fix

I don't care about what the exploit supporters say, an exploit is an exploit and should be fixed

Regardless I voted yes because it technically is a good fix for the game even if it might be decisive and it is probably something that would have gotten patched in one of the updates eventually

Personally I see no real reason to fix things like in in PvE modes. Tho tbf I only ever play two cities so I won't try and justify this staying in the map, but I personally like when PvE modes have exploits as long as they don't destroy the entire mode like the cash exploit that got patched.

me with exactly 0 tours and mediocre aim causing the rest of my team to be unable to play just because I know of this "highly advanced" and "skill intensive" strategy

What's up with people brining up Delfy? shit shit has existed since that dude was even born. "High Tour Harry" is not even necessary, you barely need to move your mouse to play Sniper on any map in MvM, let alone a spot where robots literally ignore you. It's still a good sightline because Big Rock is already designed like shit, it's just not going to let you 2 (effectively 1) man Big Rock missions.

@Battle_Droid_26
This issue is more problematic because of the nature of the spot.
The rock is already a very powerful vantage point, so players will just intuitively use that rock when playing sniper, compared to the other various god spots in other maps.

Personally I think the other spots should be fixed to, but fixing this will have the most positive impact on the mode.

don't you dare fix this, because uh because absolutely nobody abuses it and it has practically no impact on the game!!! If you fix this (which won't change anything, by the way!) I will get mad because.... well because it's a pointless fix that doesn't change anything!!!! (I do NOT own a strange hitman's heatmaker with robots destroyed, why did you say that I do???)

Mr. Moron, your name is really accurate. If this spot isn't good, then surely nothing will be lost from it getting fixed.

These spots exist on other maps as well, the reason why people say this spot is broken is because big rock is a bad map from a design perspective. There is only spawn where robots come from and they have to walk through a narrow road, basically it's just mvm dustbowl.

Dude why...

Now I am not much of a MvM player, much less a Sniper player. But NO.
God Snipers are pretty rare so this spot is basically never used. Besides, Delfy really over-exaggerated how good this spot is unless you got a High Tour Harry on your team.

Leave it be. It's fine.

Yes!, teach those MvM Exploits something

Delfy moment