There is another issue with VFE Medieval 2 when only using "HAR"+"this mod"+"VFE Medieval 2"

Caravaning to merchant's guild to trade will resulting no goods being generated sometimes.
Without HAR it works just fine. I guess it's something about pawn gen.
You might try to dev trade a few times for it to be recreated.

The VFE Medieval 2 issue should be sorted now.

I can also confirm testing shows the same error for me with only VFE medieval and this mod.

I can confirm what @moo encountered. Test with only this mod and VFE - Medieval. Other big and small mod works just fine.

@moo
I can't see anything in their pawnkinds that should make them use weird materials like that. Does this happen without other mods?

Hi.

There's a weird interaction with the Fire Jotun xenotype and some modded materials used in apparel. Can you take a look at the comments under the mod I initially suspected?:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3448458106

VFE - Medieval was updated, so there are old VEF namespace entries in Factions_Medival.xml now that the patchoperation hits:

Three lines containing:
- <HeraldryColorA>(0.9, 0.8, 0.5)</HeraldryColorA>
- <HeraldryColorA>(0.45, 0.15, 0.15)</HeraldryColorA>
- <HeraldryColorA>(0.15, 0.28, 0.43)</HeraldryColorA>

@RedMattis
Oh, I really disabled that. It is ok after enable it. Thanks.

@hohong16
Do you have the def generation enabled? It should be enabled by default, but if it is disabled then the trolls won't get those genes.

@﴾HMCS Québec﴿
I think all my stuff should already be updated to handle it the VE update, unless I forgot to submit the updates to something.

I cannot load the troll metamorphosis genes(BS_TrollAdult_Metamorphosis, BS_TrollOld_Metamorphosis, BS_Troll_Retromorphosis, BS_TrollAdult_Retromorphosis).

Which mod has these genes?? I did not find it in "gene and more" and "race".

Hiya Red! Just wanted to let you know that VEF updated and they changed quite a bit of things and mods that have compatibility with it are kinda borked because of it. https://github.com/Vanilla-Expanded/VanillaExpandedFramework/wiki/16Changes This is the list of change if ya want. But I'm pretty sure you were already aware of it

@Brother Azkaellon
Iirc. that is on the way actually, just not from my end. :)

@TamTroll
It is a bit overdesign (I did it as a test). Basically chances of it appearing change with age. Men always get it eventually (because troll bears look weird otherwise), while women get it sometimes.

@CrocFighter
Pawns can't grab more than one meal from a nutrient paste dispenser at a time. Cooked means don't have this issue.

I might look into some workaround for it later.

Vanilla Expanded Nutrient paste mod permits a module that ejects a stack of nutrient meals. That is a pretty decent workaround as well.

Incredible mod! Would you please consider adding support for show your hands? as the inbuild resizer for that mod seems to actually shrink hands on jotun.

I have both this and the standalone Genes mod, and i'm noticing the Troll Nose gene seems to be a bit wonky.

When spawning in a pawn with the gene, or using dev mode to change a pawn's xenotype to have that gene, there's a chance it won't appear at all. I had a custom xenotype with the Troll nose that worked fine, but i updated it recently and when i changed my pawns from the old one to the new one, half of them lost the visible nose on their face.

Is there any logic to this? I also noticed that when trying to start a new game with this xenotype, there was about a 50-50 chance of a pawn having it or not, loading in multiple copies of the same pawn yielding different results, some with the nose and some without.

When i started my game a few months back with just the Big and small genes mod, every pawn i made with the gene had the nose visible on their head. So i'm not sure what's changed here or why.

Is there a way to make my giant pawns eat until their hunger bar is full? I have one heir of surtr who keeps eating a single nutrient paste meal, walking across the map to mine a single tile and then being hungry again, which makes him walk all the way back.

@kahvipensas
If the metamorph and its trigger are both inherited then they will indeed activate. If both genes don't get inherited then it is business as usual. :)

Is there a way to override the Troll metamorph in a pawn, and does the metamorph always override evrything? One of my other colonists had a child with a troll, and immediately after birth the young troll genotype completely overrode the genes the child had gotten from the other parent. If I now insert xenogenes into the kid, will they disappear when it morphs with age?

That troll dad is getting sterilized btw. Ruined my perfectly good crossbreeding project!

@redmattis
Okay, I will try figure it out, thank you <3

@Manties
That sounds like another mod might be messing with things. The cold resistance is a very vanilla rimworld feature.

My Frost Jotun who is immune to cold keeps dying of hypothermia :(

@Warachia
Fairly harmless, but fixed now.

It apparently doesn't like MayRequire Defs with parents. I think it tries to load the parent before checking the MayRequire or something.

I blame Ludeon. :p

@Ωats
Those are different. The one in Genes & More is solely used for the Woman in Blue easter egg event. It is basically a less mean Jotun so that it doesn't screw over players too much due to how she shows up.

@BigGovernment
I don't mind doing more western folk-lore, but I feel like the Goblins/Dwarves/Gnomes, etc. are something other modders have made a number of versions of already.

E.g. DetVisor has dwarves, er, I mean "Stoneborn".

@Lunar Nepneus
Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying them. ^_^

Errors on startup when launched without Big and Small - Simply Robots (about BS_GiantRobotMelee / BS_GiantRobotRanged):
https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/d0eef8ed0915cbf8a5226786e40e8b57

heads up; for me at least there's a redundancy on there being 2 versions of the Frost Jotun; one in the core and one in gene's and more.

my favorite faction is the little people union thingy

Any chance of another race mod? Hoping youd try your hands at more Western folklore (i.e. goblins, dwarves, etc)

Also the trolls are extremely creative, love these mods.

A lil midget popping out of a Prometheus android lookin ahh was the highlight if my day, ty for the mods.

@Bobbarækus
The dwarves here are more based on Norse stories while Stoneborn is closer to Tolkien's work. They hit slightly different themes.

For one Dvergr aren't communal nor terribly physically powerful. They are remarkably skilled, and if you have mods that enable it they'll often show up with magical equipment.

Hello RedMattis, I already use Stoneborn for dwarves and have been for a long time. I don't think my ongoing games would be happy with me removing them in favour of this. Is there some kind of compatibility patch that merges them into one race/people? If not, is that something worth considering?

@RedMattis
Awesome, thank you!

@toastedsouls
That sounds strange. A dwarf shouldn't be too big for a baby crib. Does it have the gigantism trait or something?

@Mr. Barquise
Yeah, they are automatically generated from all xenotypes except custom ones. You can use a mod like the Xenotype Exporter (iirc. it was called that anyway) which turns custom xenotypes into proper ones.

These now-proper xenotypes can then be used as targets.

Hi there! I had an issue occur several hours into a game and wanted to mention it in case it pops up for anyone else. I delivered a healthy baby, yay! the baby will not "sleep" in any of the cribs. I tried assigning it a sleeping spot, bed, and sleeping roll. The only time it actually registers that it's in a bed is when it's in a medical bed. The child is half baseliner and half dwarf, if that helps.

Is there a way of creating custom metamorph and retromorph targets? I have an idea similar to the Troll system with Young, Adult, and Elder, but I wanted to use custom xenotypes.

@Onion
If you're using Big & Small Furniture there should be beds more than large enough there.

Sleeping spots can also fit pawns of any size.

@Drogo и тукаллао
The ogres faces are deliberately weird looking. I can imagine with anime heads they are terrifyingly uncanny. :'D

Hello! I'm having an "issue" with my Troll haha! [around 80 years old] What beds, if any, fit my poor giant lady? 😅

i feel that ogres faces are kinda ackward if u use them with facial animations and when i disable them they are really buggy.

Thanks for notifying me, I'm rolling out a fix for both issues. :)

Small error in \1.5\MedievalOverhaul\Patches\MO_Patches.xml, the patch operation is replacing the apparel required node with 3 li. Should actually replace it with an apparel required node that contains those 3 li.

Trade caravans from a "Western Inlor" (Dvergr Trade Union) won't spawn because of a certain pawn in the traders list, artificer.
I remember this same error with some other factions from your mods and that you eventually fixed it (demons and angels, etc).
Don't know which other ones were the newly added (I was playing on a save when the mod updated and vanilla expanded brought windows to add them midgame)
log (last lines):
https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/317d620e504e293a770e297dc451bf8d

thank you

@Wojtekcola
If you activate dev-mode and go into the screen where you see their genes there should be a dropdown with a "reset to base xenotype" or somethinglike that.

Pressing that should make them a troll of the new variety. :)

@Loseruser359
Vitalii, same artist as Vanilla Expanded often use. :)

What should i do if i have a "Young troll" but with old germline(doesn't have troll metamorph)?

Ooh, who did the new thumbnail

Love the new artwork and troll addition. Hope to see more traditional fantasy races too!

Does anyone else have an issue due to 'max genes' for pregnancy?

The new ogre face doesn't always loads, sometimes the old sometimes the new when I was selecting the pawns.

No biggy just an observation.

Ok I may do that its not a huge deal. Your mod is amazing and thank you so much for responding to me

@Psychronic
I don’t use or test with that mod.

I’ve been told they have a discord though, and that my mod had an audience there, so you could probably check with them if that is working as they intended.

So i have a uh...weird issue. I use the forbidden mod and bigger female pawns start downed because the size of their massive...lets say assets. Is a fix out there at all?

Thanks for the response! Haven't had any trouble with the error, but the sudden appearance of new genes always catches my eye. Might make some new xenotypes now :D