does this make the AI archers stop running away??

More precisely, could this be altered into a passive ability that reduces move to 0 the way the stance does for 5 seconds after firing unless the stance is active or unit has fire While moving/360. Slight benefit to player making it easier to use, but mostly it might enable Ai to use ranged units that cant be made to run with a single unit. Could maybe be a separate mod that only affects Ai? If its not something youd be interested in im still curious if you think its possible?

Okay, thank you for your explanation. The issue of ranged units moving forward is really a very annoying problem. May I ask if you have enabled any other mods to improve the ranged units?

Yeah, that was introduced in 5.0 I think it's a game engine forced minimum speed to allow single entities to turn. Nothing I can do about that unless CA lets me into their game code.

Also, the issue with some artillery engines creeping forward is an animation issue. The animations for firing for some units don't return the unit back to the 0,0,0 starting point of the animations. That is more fixable with animation tools, but outside the scope of this mod and not something I'll probably ever be able to prioritize.

I've encountered a strange problem: when I open the skill button, there are still 1 - 2 points of speed remaining, preventing the troops from coming to a complete stop.

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Any news on a update?

Any way to force AI to use this on certain units? Or are skirmish units already excluded - if so can this be forced on AI - with no deactivate in melee?

Just to reiterate - please remove "deactivate hold when in melee"
One flying unit gets into your backline and there is chaos now compared to before. Plus you have to reorganize and re-hold units. It kind of diffeats the purpose of the mod.

Additionally, could you display an icon or anything on an unit to let us know if the unit is on HOLD or not.

Please remove the "deactivate hold when in melee" flag.
I have to constantly recheck if hold is activated which is a major PITA. Its not helpfull at all, especially when using groups
If people like it - maybe you can make a MCT option to enable it.

As it is now its just chaos with it.

I have just started to use the mod some days ago. So i don't have a lot of cases. But a classic one is that i command a set of handgunners (and their derivation, about 6) to fire at a giant. As the giant is huge and there are no other units at the front of the handgunners, i do suspect that they could finish the giant. But instead i see the giant rushed into them almost without any damage received. I redo the same battle, and tried different strategies. I think it has something to do with the angle. Seems like if the unit has to turn to fire, then sometimes they don't fire at all until i change subject or turn the ability off. I am not sure why, maybe it is just because CA doesn't give much calculation resource to fire units, which players always complain because their fire units don't fire.

@Shaft Ten what kind of unit and did they have clear lines of sight? CA has been making some AI behavior changes, which could interact oddly with this ability.

I am not sure, but i do observe the they don't fire while the ability is on. I waited and waited then i decided to deactivate the ability, then they fire immediately.

Fire!!!

Definitely one of the most needed mods. Why the hell don't developers do this when they make a game?

This should be in the base game wtf.

The complex sets of ability flags just dont seem to work with this mod now like they did earlier on or in WH2, so I'm limited in what I can get it to do. What I did just add, which I'm amenable to removing if people don't like it, is a flag so the ability deactivates if the unit enters melee. This should make recovery from getting charged work better.

As for the Dreadquake unit awkwardly inching forward, there seems to be something in the game engine now giving a mandatory minimum of 3 movement speed that overwrites all other speed modifiers. So I cannot completely lock a unit in place. I think that code is interacting with the fancy engine setup of Chaos Dwarf artillery and leading them to moving like that. I think this is something we're stuck with.

I do not know why, but Dreadquake Mortars with this mod and ability enabled still slowly scoot forward while firing. I assume it's some quirk to the unit itself rather than the ability, especially when tracking moving targets, but it means that over the course of a long battle, Dreadquakes can end up quite a bit further forward than you meant for them to be - moving into and through a gunline set up in front of them, for example.

Is that something the mod can fix?

So why don't you make a passive skill, that would activate "fire while moving" after some second standing still? that skill allow for ranged unit to shoot in any direction as far as i know.
None the less am not sure if it would mess up the formation if you mannualy focus a unit that wouldn't be in front.

Maybe a mix of both would be better, i don't know, just wanted to share the idea.

Great mod,very helpful.

I've been running through a few issue though.

So the mod keep the unit from moving at all, so, if any kind of unit run through one that "hold position", then they can't get back in position. The same with any kind of artillery shot, your unit get splattered everywhere. Quickly, the formation is a mess, and you need to deactivate the skill, which is okayish, but can be messy at times.

So i've been thinking.
Am playing cathay right now and there is many skill that evolve through time. For instance the magistrate lord have a skill that goes like this:
after 5 second standing still: 5% ward save & missile block
10 second: 10%
15 second: 15%

Really amazing mod. This should should been in the game. It doesn't make the game easier, as you need to macro. Archers don't run away if cav gets in their face.

One thing I would love to see, is that if I select few ranged unit, click the button, then select one unit click the button again to turn off and then select them all again and click it, it the activates for all and next click would deactivate for all.

Now it seems that if some units have it on and some off, when selecting units with different "state" together it doesn't do anything. It works only when selecting units with same state ether all off or all on.

Is it possible to add the new ranged units that were added this time?

To add previous comment, chaos dwarf artillery is not affected in custom battles only.

Hello, is there a reason as to why chaos dwarf artillery is not affected ? Can you add them if this is possible ? Thank you for the mod.

This mod allows archers and crossbowmen to shoot from 2nd layer of walls although one needs to micro a bit.

Amazing mod.

This should not be a mod, but a basic feature of the game. But since it's not, this mod is a necessity. And god! Am i thankful for it.

It is greatly appreciated, but for this mod the credit for original idea and implementation goes to this modder: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198036302344/myworkshopfiles/?appid=1142710

You have created the single greatest mod in the history of total war.

Last I checked, in campaigns it should be via a campaign effect.

May I ask if this feature can also be added to mod units?

Not sure if this is intended or not, but the mod only removes the base speed. This leads to my units having a little bit of speed and very slowly start moving around. I didn't notice this happening a couple months ago. Anyone else with the same issue?

This should have been in the base game. love it so much

Would be nice to make a list of known issues

thank god for this. The new steam tank always moving around after fired its first shot. Even with this mod plus in guard mode, it still ended up 50 meters away

Any chance you can make a "Rally Point" button? Like they used to have in Medieval TW2? It gets so annoying when units retreat, but then rally, but just stop where they are, facing AWAY from the enemy. We need a button mechanic to set the Rally point so units will go there, instead of just all over the place. It makes battles better too, cuz it allows for an army to engage, full back in good order, the meet again for a second encounter.

A must have mod. I'll wait until the update.
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as malakai this replaces the grapshot ammunition for the cannons, is there any way to alter this so both work.

hello, can you please upload for
The Angels of Decay (Plague Drones – Death's Heads)
Festering Stooges (Exalted Plaguebearers of Nurgle)
Noxbringer (Soul Grinder of Nurgle)
Ku'gath Plaguefather


and also

Hobgoblin Archers
Chaos Dwarf Blunderbusses
The Granite Guard (Chaos Dwarf Blunderbusses)
Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders (Bows)
Oglah Khan's Wolfboyz

@Snek take your time, first comes family, then friends and so on, then work and then maybe modding.

Crash was almost for sure from the datacoring as @Drowned spotted. Land units wasn't even the only datacoring I had. Chalk that up to updating while dealing with a newborn. I just removed those datacored tables and updated. Didn't playtest besides launching to menu because I'm at work, connecting remotely to my machine. Let me know if crashes continue.

Yep me too: crashes when loading the game because of this (awesome) mod...

Also, causing a crash in my game.

As of 5.03 crashes the game. I have no clue what CA did that could have possibly caused this

causes crash for me after update, thanks for the mod

Land_unit is datacoring, you didnt change the name from data_

@LotLP I'll try that myself to see what it does. I doubt there is anything I could do to adjust that behavior but will investigate anyway.

If I activate the stationary ability on this mod, the unit in question loses the ability to attack walls and towers. Pretty annoying but not a dealbreaker.

Thank you for the update. Playing Malakai with a lot of artillery without this was really annoying

Essential mod ty for updating.

update plz