Actually, I'm thinking I have some kind of mod conflict. My pyromaniac isn't getting their fire need from any flames at all.

Hey Aelanna, do you think you could add support for the stone campfires from vanilla furniture expanded? Thanks :)

@2_Modray - No worries! On looking at my mod configuration, it seems I neglected to actually add a load rule to the About.xml, so I will make sure that makes into the next release. Please let me know if you encounter any other issues!

@Aelanna
I'm a dumb-dumb. I had this loaded *before* Individuality.
I really gotta remember to double-check my sorting rules more often instead of just assuming RimSort will catch everything out of the box.

@2_Modray - This mod most definitely removes the random break chance from pyromaniacs, unless another mod is interfering. Do you have any of the other mods in the Compatibility section in the mod description and/or are you getting any errors on game load?

Despite the description mentioning "Pyromaniac no longer forces random mental breaks," I still seem to get them despite my pyromaniacs' fire need being consistently full and their mood being high. Does fire need affect the likelihood of the firestarting break? If so, how, exactly?

It also seems like "throwing torches" from the Arrow Please (Continued) mod can satisfy a pyromaniac's contained fire source, although the price of making a throwing torch is pretty high (30 wood at a crafting spot for 1 torch that lasts 11 days and can't be extinguished). Keep in mind that there might be an additional torch bill called "Make torch x10" for 40 wood that is currently glitched and produces nothing if you have certain other mods enabled (such as CE).

Disclaimer to those who have pyromaniacs whom are unable to refill their fire need around contained fires (campfires, wall torches, etc), check to see if you have the Extinguish Refuelables mod. At the moment it is currently incompatible, having lost it's compatibility after 1.5. It seems 1.5 completely changed the base code of fire sources, such as campfires and torches, and the mod dev of ER doesn't plan on changing their mod to accommodate this because it would require a complete rewrite of their mod.

The only solution to this at the moment is to disable Extinguish Refuelables, find an alternative mod or ask someone else to make their own version of such a mod, or set objects (bushes, wood walls, corpses, etc) on fire with abilities so the pyromaniacs can view uncontained fires.

@LateralAnima Yes. It happens to me too. The pawns do not firewatch automatically.

Do you think you could add support for Rebuild's fireplaces as sources of Fire while lit?

Does anyone else have an issue with pyros not firewatching automatically? I had one starting pawn that did it fine, but any children born with the trait don't seem to do it and I have to draft them and sit them by a fire all the time.

@Yukari Whiteclouds: I took a look at your error report here, and tracked down the issue. It should be fixed now!

@The Bard of Hearts I don't, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a mod conflict somewhere

@Yukari Whiteclouds - Responded to your Discussion thread, but the issue appears to be originating from Helixien Gas Braziers' Harmony patch, not from Better Pyromania itself. Please let them know that you're having an issue with firewatching, as it is not a mod that I personally use.

Why is my pyromaniac pawn always going for the "firewatching" activity and nothing else? They even forget to eat and they starve to death.

@loogi, do you have a mod that lets you control fuel in any way? like letting you extinguish torches and such? if so, that tends to interfere with this mod.

I like the concept of this mod, but unfortunately my pyromaniac never seems to firegaze and it's annoying having to constantly micromanage their fire meter.

I see.Thanks for the reply.
It's the thing I hate about pyromaniacs most, but I've allowed one into my colony now with this mod and he's not gone on a single spree yet, the removal of the random mental breaks already helps immensely I assume.

@Jixxor - No, this mod does not change the logic of the fire-starting spree in any way.

Does this mod also affect 'what' pawns decide to set on fire during a fire starting spree? i. e. make it so they don't set the one anti-grain warhead I have in my storage room on fire, or chemfuel but instead maybe just some cloth?

@Comton - My point is that whatever they're doing is probably not compatible with the vanilla pyromaniac trait, so they need to fix that. Then it'll automatically be compatible with Better Pyromania.

Appliance Expanded is independant from VE
I patched them locally with this kind of line

<li MayRequire="scpchemfuel.appliances">CA_ChemfuelBrazierDark</li>

in the file 1.5\Royalty\Defs\Royalty.xml

@Comton - Hi, I don't know which brazier you are referring to as I cannot find any building in VE's GitHub repositories by that name.

However, Better Pyromania has used the same fire observation logic as the vanilla game since 1.4 when the vanilla pyromaniac trait was buffed; if BP doesn't recognize their custom brazier as a contained fire source, then it likely is not working for the vanilla pyromaniac trait as well, which means that they need to fix their building by extending their fire overlay from CompFireOverlayBase and have a CompGlower that determines whether the building is actively lit.

Hi ! Can you add compatibility for chemfuel brazziers from Appliance Expanded ?

@Jenson not saying ur wrong
but having a pyro need when fire worshipping ideo makes very much sense actually
like
they worship the fire
they NEED the fire!

compatibility with VE Ideology Memes and Structures would be cool, they have a Fire Worship meme, I think anyone following an ideology with Fire Worship should have the pyromania need. thank you for the mod

@ Narlindir

Yea I haven´t noticed any bugs so far. It works like a charm.

only less stupid romance even touches pawn behavior mein freund

none of these should conflict

Thank you very much for this great mod. It works very well even though I use some mods and even though I added ti to an existing savegame.

Mods that I use just for those who are wondering if some of these are compatible with Better Pyromanics:
- Better Pyromaniac
- P-Music
- Better Turrets
- Animals Logic
- Snap Out!
- Snarter Construction
- Vanilla Fishing Expanded
- Vanilla Expanded Framework
- Stronk Barrels
- Not my Fault
- Less Stupid Romance Attempt (Continued)
- [AP] Begone! Thunderstorms [Revived]
- Mad Skills ( to disable skill decay)
- No Center Drop Raids
- Map Preview
- Harmony

Understood, I'll make a report on their page

@GoblinEngineer - I took a peek at Extinguish Refuelables' code and it is indeed the culprit. They replace the CompFireOverlay on torch lamps with their own class that is not a subclass of the vanilla base class, and thus it no longer is recognized by any firewatching logic, including the vanilla Pyromaniac feat's firewatcher . This is a problem that they need to fix, because it affects more than just this mod.

I'm having a bit of weirdness. I've got a couple pyros in my colony right now. I've been setting meditation time for them in front of a wall torch but their fire need just never goes up. I thought it could be some bug with the wall torch so I had them try it at a lit campfire and still nothing. I am using Extinguish Refuelables but that's never been an issue before(granted, this is my first colony with pyros since installing Anomaly). I'm at bit at a loss and not sure what to do here

ah shucks
welp
all better then pyro breakdowns I guess
thanks for the tips ^^

@Narlindir - New joy kinds greatly affect game balance, and dedicated jobgivers that specifically tend to a fire need would affect game performance, which is why I have done neither. Also note that a torch next to their bed doesn't do much, Observer needs are only active while a pawn is awake so it won't help them while they sleep.

can you make it a new joy kind?

I eventually did the "fire right next to bed and workplace" thing
but its kinda clunky
or maybe force them to engage in fire watching when the need bar is low

@GrilledPøtatø @Narlindir - Fire watching counts as a solitary relaxation joy type, so even though it's heavily weighted for pyromaniacs, they won't do it on their own if they're bored of it. If your pyromaniacs have an area that they spend a lot of time in (such as crafters in the workshop), then it's best to have a torch or brazier in that area so they're constantly exposed to it while working.

same issue here
there are torches and bonfires nearby but pyro just goes and plays chess even tho they are fire deprived

Hi, I'm facing similar issues as ilyvion, whereby my pyromaniac pawns don't seem to try and fulfill their own fire needs frequently, even when at 0% fire need. I've tested a bit, and while fire-watching does seem to occur as a recreation activity (I tried drafting/undrafting repeatedly to roll for recreation), it doesn't seem very highly weighted.

Could it be an issue with my base itself, and that I don't have enough fire sources? I only have one brazier installed in the dining room, and a few torches in one of their bedrooms.

okay, thank you. kinda glad about it right now as i am in a desert and the lack wood provides an additional challenge

@FailPail - Yes, the updated logic that uses new vanilla logic is 1.5-only. I generally do not back-port new features to older versions as that would require me to maintain a pipeline for every RimWorld version and even vanilla Pyromaniac has changed between versions, making feature parity impossible.

So you said something on the stream about infinite refuelable type mods having been patched? i'm on 1.4 and they wont work unless they use fuel for the fire need. is it because i'm on 1.4?

@The Bard of Hearts - If that mod is causing the vanilla ThoughtWorker to not function, then I would definitely report it to the mod author, I can't imagine that that was intentional. :)

I found it. I DID have something that works with torches and such. a mod called "Extinguish Refuelables". Taking it off fixes the issue. Compatibility would be awesome, but I understand if not. Don't know if this fixes @JoeOwnage 's issue or not. Thanks for your patience and mod work, regardless. This mod is a godsend.

And - ... no... My pyro does not get the "Beautiful Fire" thought while near a torch.

I don't think I have anything messing with torches or such, no. I'll have to check about the moodlet next time I'm in the game.

@The Bard of Hearts @JoeOwnage - I just tested this on my side and it's working fine with all of the aforementioned buildings. Do note that observer-type needs only change values if the pawn is conscious, so while they are sleeping the bar will actually neither go up nor down; having the torch in their room is mainly useful to catch praying or meditation that they do in their own room, as well as make it more accessible when they want to do firewatching.

Do either of you have any mods that might be messing with CompFireOverlay in any way? Perhaps more telling, do they get the vanilla Beautiful Fire thought while near a torch or brazier?

yea I made my guy sleep next to a brazier, constant -30

For some reason, it seems that the pyro doesn't get fire need filled from being around torches. I thought it was just the wall torches so I built a regular torch... no good... still going down. I commanded him to relax near the torch... no good. Still going down.

@Aelanna, was the 'torches aren't rec rooms' mod been added? as a patch maybe?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2640464717