Should be before.

What load order should this mod be? According too the mod manager it puts this before the original mod but my logic is that SFO submods should always load after. Which one is it?

Thanks for the feedback, Drakken. I plan to make some changes for WH3!

Hey pierce. Love your work! Is this coming to TWW3? Because the defenders need your help more than ever on those giant walled maps! There just are not close to enough units to man those walls.

From my experience, I think the ladder climbing speed needs to be nerfed even more so units that are stretched out thin can still deal with climbing attackers. It also may be time for the wall towers to fire 360 degrees, like the rebuildable ones. This would make the outer defenses worth holding, although I am not sure how much friendly fire would occur.

Probably. Let me know if it isn't.

Wondering if this is up to date with The Last Kiss SFO patch?

i wish there was an option to buff the actual intelligence and skill of the damn AI, instead of giving them flat stat buffs in the naive hope that players will find it more "challenging" and not "annoying" since the AI has to cheat to even stand a chance.

Yeah the gate bug is annoying AF, but it's a long term vanilla bug

ah ok, I was just really annoyed watching an army of chaos warriors casually walk through my gates like it was left unlocked during 4 different sieges.

@bundy
Google total war gate bug. it's been around forever.

It's a bit odd that the ai can just walk through the gate from the outside now...

Skaven Ratling Guns are not able to climb or stand on walls anymore. The problem is with this mod. tried Better Sieges without it(and without SFO ofc) and then Ratling Guns had no problem on walls. Only use SFO and Better Sieges (and this ofc) would be happy if you could look into it, since it took alot of fun out of a skaven playthrough. Thanks in advance

Will this conflict with the mod "Level 1 Walls"?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2568052980

hey pierce,
why the SFO edition have no cap for siege towers and ramps and the original mod have this cap?

Well the other one is listed as a required mod. So yes, it's required

do i need this mod and the original mod both active in my mod list?

Same thing for norscan wolfs and some spiders.
Why those are disabled here while still being enabled in vanilla version of this mod?

It's a simple fix, must have been like that since at least previous mod update and no one noticed.
"Can climb ladders and stair pipes" in battle_entities_tables is unchecked both for ratling guns and their RoR counterpart

Oh! Thank you for answering! And while I'm at it, small feedback: My H2H partner, playing Tomb Kings, is going NUTS when attacking a fully fortified city. I regularly destroy 2 armies, one time even all 4 armies with little more than a garrison (on average). GREAT FUN! I do think some towers are a bit off balance with their magical skull aoe or their traumatizing skaven missiles, but well...welcome to Warhammer SFO :D
Thank you for your work!

@Chera

That's a bug in the base game. The bug even extends to custom battles.

@loadout

Thanks, I'll take a look when I can.

Potential bug report: I just defended Naggarond (as Lizardmen) at lvl 5 with lvl 4 Walls, but the towers were all basic missiles (big arrows it seemed).
I'm not sure if that bug is vanilla, SFO or this one. Hard to test in a H2H campaign that overwrites a quicksave immediatly :(
But maybe someone else had a similar observation.
EDIT: Ghrond on highest level + walls also fired Fireballs, not Rays of Light as Lizards are supposed to.

does need an update, Ratling guns cant get on walls of any settlement.

@Julinha

Probably not.

Need update?

No.

hey is there a version without new units on walls planned?

Come to the Modding Den discord and ask in one of the modding_tech channels. It's easier to explain these new things in real-time if you're confused by the guide. https://discord.gg/6kCxejwh

Ah, also is there a way within your mod, to change the speed of battering rams and siege towers?

Thank you, for your help.

So i got into the modfiles a bit and tweaked some values with good success.

I do have a few questions tho:

1) How could i change the buffs for garrisons, so it applies to all garrison units, instead of only AI units?

2) How can i make the AI wait a bit, so they do not charge in, without siege weapons? It seems, later on in the game, they just think having monsters is enough, while it definitely is not.

3) Where and how exactly should i change the auto resolve value? If i buff garrisons, this should reflect in auto resolve. I think i found the value, but i am not sure about, what exactly it does.

Thank you!

This is the guide I used to start modding TWWH2. You can open my mod and edit it and save your copy to your data folder. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2180764161

Okay, thank you.

Is there a way for me, to change the values of some kind myself? Like tower dmg, range, or the climbing speed? I figured, that i still think climbing speed for ladders is to high for my taste.

It's a bit of shorthand, but yes you're correct. The tower will usually hit the pool of enemies still waiting to climb the ladder since they aim for the center of the unit, and the ladders themselves are usually just behind the 180-degree firing arc.

If you want grittier combat that feels less arcadey, I recommend looking up Duke's The End Times. It's the best of the Big 4 overhauls in my opinion. I have a Better Sieges version (not submod) for that, too.

Wow, i never seen this. Thank you! Wow XD

Is there a way to tweak some values myself? I just loaded your mod, and it works as it should. So that is great. Still the enemy units climb the ladders soooooo fast, it is absurd. I wish there was a point in trying to hold the walls. Instead it is still, hold them until enemy is there, reatreat and fight on plaza. Which is okay, it just feels wrong.

Also the towers do not shoot climbing units, as it says in the description. At least for my test it doesnt.

Look on the Required Items section on the right column.

A pop-up will also appear showing the required mods whenever you subscribe to a mod.

Mods that describe themselves as submods (like this one) will always require a main mod. Hence the submod term.

Now you know. Welcome to Total War Warhammer II mods!

Okay, thank you, wasn't able to find that information anywhere.

Required mods are required mods.

(Both)

Do i need to only subscribe to this mod, if i use SFO, or do i have to subscribe to this mod AND the vanilla mod, in order to make them work?

Thanks for the quick update fix, all working for me

Just reinstall it. Steam doesn't always push updates.

Still not working for me for some odd reason, main mod with SFO submod with SFO activated. Does this modd conflict with GCCM by any chance or anything else that could be an issue?

Wow Thank you for the quick Fix
you cool

Sorry about that, I fixed it now. That's what I get for fat-fingers. Reinstall the submod to make sure you have the update.

i use the Better Sieges mod Main Mod With SFO SUB MOD
after the update You'll be see this Starting with SFO main mod CTD
I did a test use Three mod SFO main mod,Better Sieges mod and SFO SUB MOD

Somethings wrong with the update i guess

Welp, sooo now experiencing crashes when launching SFO with Main and SFO submod of Better sieges alone.

Not sure if that is update related or mod order issue, is there a preferred order to running the mods together? Thanks

Awesome, greatly appreciated and love the mod :3

It still worked before.

But I just gave it an update so that the latest stat tweaks to the few units this affects are included. Deck Gunners now have 25 speed instead of 26... huzzah...

Same question as others, does this with the main mod still work well with the new SFO 'The Great Plan'? Thanks

Hello, are you working on updating this to the latest SFO uodate? Thanks!

Grimhammer has updated.