@kham thanks for weighing in the random break gas might be something that comes along.

@Shazbot! thanks for suggestions, Ill probably do my own pipe system i'm not too big on making this mod require other mods, which is why i was resistant towards harmony (plus i hate how "hacky" it feels), I might adapt CE smoke and do that though. however even that doesn't seem to work the same way vanilla gases do. but ill read the code more when i'm not recovery from heat exhaustion

As for more realistic approach you can steal refer to CE's smoke system and adapt it for your gas needs. https://github.com/CombatExtended-Continued/CombatExtended/blob/Development/Source/CombatExtended/CombatExtended/Things/Smoke.cs

FYI Vanilla Expanded Framework has pipe system, i think you can use it instead of making your own. From very brief overview i can tell it can autolink to buildings with CompProperties_Refuelable and supply things through the pipe network making it fairly easy to integrate with gas vents.

I have no real objections if you did need to use Harmony, it's already in my list for dozens of other mods. Though I also don't overly mind about the gas dispersing more like vanilla gasses, one way or the other.

Some new gas types do sound pretty cool, I like the idea of a random break happening, could add some interesting outcomes for raids if they just start wandering or setting fires etc.

I don't overly use the vents myself, I tend to stick to the IED versions, but a pipe system could be handy for those and might make them more useful.

I just noticed they announced the next update, Ill hold off on harmony until I can see if they made the gas system extensible.... I'll very likely start toying with the idea of a piping system, of some kind. I'll likely need to fundamentally change the way vents work.

@Mask of Humble then you made a very good argument for a pipe system right there. I will consider the issue a little more closely

Anyone hate the idea or anyone else love the idea of a pipe system?

I like the idea of a berserk inducing gas, let them fight them self, while I can not speak for everyone, I could care less about the gas spreading more realistically, I already use harmony for a few of my other mods so it wouldn't matter to me but I would love to be able to more easily supply the gas traps with pipes as I normally run with just one pawn at the start and work my way up.

Thinking about things..... So part of my deal when i volunteered to take over this mod was I really didn't want to lean on something like harmony ever, but now that I dont run it on a potato all the time, I have some questions.

Should I consider using harmony to make this mod work with built in gas system and spread more realistically, (does anyone really care besides me? )

or should I consider a separate "advanced" or "harmonized" version of this mod?

Also how does anyone feel about a madness nerve gas that will cause a random break, a coma, or other bad stuff to any biologic

and does anyone have any additional anti mech effects or is it ok the way it is?

@desmond1004 thank you not currently. Essentially I dont see a strong reason to do so.

Ty for mod. Do u have any plan to make gas pipe to control gas more easily?

So I can use the knock out gas to gain massive amounts of slaves and have them work in my factories and farms? sigh me up

This mod has been around for 8 years and ive been updating and tweaking it for 5, yes we know lol

You already know what people are going to use this for

@HotdogMoisturiser Make sure you have the research, and druglab cant make them all though some are special

Anyone know how you can craft the canisters?

auschwitz sim bouta go crazy

No the gas does not spread like rimworld's built in system, they use an enunm for the different gases in a manner that the only feasible way for me to use their system would be to require harmony, and I know a lot of mods do that but it is a design choice of this mod to not relay on outside libraries. (mostly because I used to play rimworld on my old potato laptop and less "patching" meant faster load times) I havent given up on this as a thing but its low priority especially with work, running, and the 5 other projects. (along with more pressing features I want here). As far as the toggle being UI based for the vents it seems to be a popular request so I will think about it.

moreover, I know this is a feature not a bug, but being able to activate them non-power grid based would be amazing.

any way to have the gas work like Biotech's toxic gas? currently this "gas" doesn't spread tile-to-tile, is blocked by even open doorways, and doesn't pass through embrasers. So the trap must always be in the room with the raiders or pawns (and they try to destroy it) if there was an option to have gas tanks connected with pipes, or wall vents that would be incredible!

Noted! Will work on adding, likely will make it before any other gases i only have vague ideas for

Seconding the request for implants to be removable via surgery. Thanks!

lol nice def thinking about dropping it in as thing, then people can make the call to take it out. original i think i was thinking this makes some prisoners more "tricky" to deal with, and I meant it to be rare it does seem a little rarer than i meant it to be

Lol thanks for the reply. Yeah, it was the first I had saw of it and I've been using this for a long time. I was questioning it pointing me here lol.

And I'm cool with whatever you decide, though I had intended to remove it and instead transplant it in one of my front line attack penguins lol 🤣

lol yeah its an idea i snuck in there mostly for other people to use for their own stuff if they wanted to ... I thought there was a way. Looking at it I dont have a specific surgery to remove it it appears, i had it set up to spawn the par ton removal. I'll look into it i may have to add surgeries for removing them, at the time I may have had it that way so they are designed not to be removed. Ill add this to the list of features I need to highly likely consider to add, and I will try to get a version out soon. Still pondering what to do for an anomalies gas.

Hey, love your mod been using git a long long time.

However, I just for the first time, encountered ancient with an installed Toxic Gas Trap Implant in her torso. After capturing them I was planning to remove it but there is no medical way to remove it.

I have a mod that identifies mod items and it said this was from this mod? I didn't even know you added this lol.

TL;DR

If this Toxic Gas Trap Implant is from this mod how do you surgically removed it?

ok so i found the files update coming

I think they inter-grated it.

I seem to remember there was a submod that made this compatible with Pawnmorpher. Where'd that go?

@loop on the first message ok good to note, and come to think of it that actually means that last patch did actually fix the issue someone was having, Its not based on organs, its based on fleshtype, this was an issue with custom race mods in the past and the update probably fixed those issues too.

now on the tox gas, yes i can, no i wont (right now) the gases in this are not like the vanilla game gases, I am not sure what you know about game modding but basically the in game is coded in such a way the gases arent exactly able to be added, so I had to keep the way this mod added gases orginally, to add a vent for "vanilla" gases I would need to make a new vent just for them., if the base code changes enough that I can change the gases here to act like "vanilla" gases (without harmony or other dependencies) I will add one.

btw, can you make a vent for vanilla tox gas?

I tried to use the gases to neutralize entities but it had 0 effect on all of the basic and advanced entities. Apparently they don't work because they don't have lungs? I'm not exactly sure. But I think it'll be pretty cool if I could corporate weaponized gases to help suppress breaching entities.

I would try doing a dev test map so you can try the stuff out? I am plotting some kind of anomaly based gas not sure if it is going to be fatal or not yet, but ill probably make it tweakable

Not that I am aware of, it depends on the fleshtype in use, that is how the gases primarily figure out if they will take effect.

Do gases work on anomaly entities? I was thinking about putting together new containment cells with sleepy/toxic gases but I'm not exactly sure whether it'll work or not.

That could be cool too and wouldn't be all to hard i think, actually i bet could be done without any new code. I have added that to my todo list, I think I will try to roll out a new version before the end of the year (maybe next month) I need a distraction from the games I am working on. This will likely make it in. Ill have to do some more art but that's ok. Also on this list is the tear gas vent and an anomaly killer and/or deterrent.

Any chance you could add "drug shells", so I could get the enemy raiders high on smoke leaf or yayo?

@judeisnotobscure I think that, that is a good idea for me to look into at least some kind of gas for dealing with them, I'll have to think about it for a bit.

could we get a deadlife gas for anomaly?

@(04) PalverZ That I can confirm. Your coding is very structured and easy to get what you wanted to do.

@Booze Cruise Thanks
@Pierre cool deal, would be nice if more people took time to customize to their taste though I try to make it accessible

Hi, good choice to make sleeping gas non-lethal. Safes me the work to edit your work after each update :-P. Thanks for your hard work.

Keep up the great work- one of my all time favorite mods. Thanks for you work keeping it going!

Yeah if it was something easy i could fix on my side without breaking the mod I would, so let me know, I don't use CE so I have never seen the error except in posts

Thank you I’ll play around with my mods and hopefully fix it aha

Yes, that's an error from Combat extended, that occurs sometimes to some people off and on I am not sure what the issue is because I have no texture gas_b in this mod I dont use that naming style either in file names or in code, I also don't recall doing anything with the masks I am not sure where the conflict is I glanced over my stuff once before when someone was having this issue and didn't see anything, after looking again I don't even do anything with size or dimension of textures of masks.

got it down to just a yellow wall of text repeating this aha glad its working at least love dis mod boss "Texture Gas_b has dimensions of 64 x 64, but its mask has 64 x 65. This is not supported, texture will be excluded from atlas"

think its due to running it with combat extended love this mod so will try an work around it in me load order maybe

@TheMuffinMan, it might be depending on what mod(s) you are running, I dont get errors running it by iteself

getting gas errors that normal?

Haha just a normal day on the Rim. Oh yes, I like this change. XD