BR port for this mod?

Hello! Struggling to make my thorn work, can anyone offer suggestions on how she should be used? I am having a hard time figuring out how to best use her kit. Thanks!

from a glance it seems to be to work with Main Gauche which wants to miss attacks and gets massive benifit from both of the Fencer Precept's upsides, even outside of that Wilt is fairly decent as a bleed skill and in certain fights where you want your main attacker guarded to avoid mechanics it would still allow you to output reasonable and reliable damage due to bleeds.
another potential use would be allowing you to turn her ripost off for fights where you don't want to counter a certain enemy (such as Swine God.)
it's an odd trinket but it does allow for new ways to utilise the class.

Is it me or her very rare trinket ' fencer precept ' is really bad for a very rare ? Why cancel riposte ? It's the defining feature of the class.

I love this mod. So creative and fun, doesnt feel broken at all. By far the mest modded class

为什么防守切进攻需要花费一回合，比如濒死了，想要切防守奶自己一口都做不到。像咒缚者切换形态也不用花费回合数吧。难道只能作为贴标工具人吗？

To this day, I still believe that this is not only the best class mod in the whole community. But also on a level of quality on par with that of Red Hook. The aesthetics fit the tone of the game extremely well, and her gameplay is unique and fun without being too outlandish, gimmicky or overpowered.
Even after the release of the Darkest Dungeon 2 Duelist DLC character, I found myself really gravitating towards the Thorn as a the better designed character in every aspect. Theme, gameplay, versatility, balance.
It's a masterpiece, and I always play Darkest Dungeon with this mod installed, and pretend it's just a vanilla character because of how well she fits in. Nothing but praise to the modder!

咋说呢，一言难尽，我的想法是拿她做标记队，但她抽刀出来还要占用一回合也太尴尬了，这就导致她成了一个没伤害的贴标机器人..........因为等她准备好战斗的时候，战斗通常已经到结束阶段了.........

Quite possibly my favorite mod of them all. Her look & her interesting mechanic are just so amazing. She can let you down at times, but when you set her up right in a battle and she hits a massive riposte, it's just like a half-court shot. I get it to hit a LOT. Cool look, cool concept, she's challenging to run well, but she can be devastating if used right. Well done.

riposte -25 accuracy ruins it for me.

Can you add a description of her class trinkets?

The newly announced Duelist from DD2 gives me heavy Thorn vibes, this is most likely my favorite modded class ever, so I'm glad they're taking inspiration.

umplayable.
Great idea and I like the graphic but she lose terribly even when you master her

@222_benG lol, I was trying to do that but, for the life of me, can't find the way. I did find 3 empty strings that create those empty spaces, but I don't know what exactly adds them to the tooltip, because they are not in "buffs" like the rest of the custom lines.

Is there any way to remove the extra empty lines and the bottom of the skill descriptions?

cool!

seeing a female character in a darkest dungeon mod without gigantic boobs is refreshing and new

How do i install the mod on my pc?

any advice on how to play this char?

can she get virtuos ?

Honestly pretty solid and enjoyable to play with, my only problem with it is how changing stances uses a turn.

Just wanted to say that this is one of my favorite mods of all time. I love her design, the way she plays, and the fact that she has like three different viable ways to build her.

@BayBot Thank you for replying to me.
Thorn losing riposte after getting hit is extremely punishing, especially, as I've said, in early game fights. But then again, in lategame you can boost her dodge to absurd degrees and she'll deal with any eilte monster and boss (except for Shambler and Hag). Which is a fair trade off, especially if you have a lot of monster mods installed like I do.
Her healing trinket is a bit busted, I must say.

@BayBot - I accidently deleted my post but thank you for responding to my feedback!

I've been experimenting with her more and as I get more familiar with the character and think that I'd judged too soon. I'd slept on some the utility of her defensive stance, especially her heal, and once I stopped trying to play her as pure damage my enjoyment increased significantly.

@reapsy
2: she does not really loose her riposte, she'll loose riposte against other attacking enemies in the same round, which is not the same, and in fact doesn't happen this much.
3: I've been planning to do that but it's very difficult tbh (mission level apply different bonuses). I assumed that it's not only the heroes that are affected by light level, but the monsters are becomming stronger too.

Hello, thanks for your feedback. Most things were discussed many times already :

@randywache
1: you don't tell exactly why she'd need more dodge, but it's something I've paid lot of time to check. It would be busted to boost her base dodge. You have trinkets to do so, and it's one way to build her basically.
2: absolutely no way. Fencer Stance activates the best riposte of the game compared to vanilla. I know mods are often OP but that was not my goal.
3: basically was the case when the mod was released. It was confusing and too random (dodge plus chance to get distracted). This design is more consistent, by far.
4: I guess you've seen that perforate has armor penetration? Thrust is balanced compared to vanilla skills like BH or arbalest, I don't think it would be fair to add penetration. Still, you got trinkets for that too.
5: Maybe, that's propably ok to do - interesting but I likely won't work on her anytime soon.

Incredibly busted. I love her.

I really like her concept, I think its pretty well done. Very fun class, also her animations and visual design are awesome ;)

I will never buy the "Shattered Bell":

-20% damage (it's a lot, a hard amount of damage gone for what...?)
50% change (1 on 2) to get a block (4 monster or less in every battle and totally useless against boss)
+10 ACC which I can get with a lot of other trinkets plus somethingelse (like crits)
90 shards???? Really?

Class mod is great but this trinket is nonsense.

I absolutely adore everything about her design, both visual and sounds. Her kit is pretty damn solid too, but there are some things I'm not certain about.
1. Her base Dodge is a bit too low, which makes early dungeons a huge pain since you can't put seven gorillion dodge buffs on Thorn yet at this stage.
2. Switching to Offensive Stance should at least give more Dodge, because Thorn's entire raison d'être is to dodge attacks, unlike other classes with Riposte who can at least tank a hit or two without losing their Riposte and getting stressed.
3. Not sure if it is even possible to circumvent, but why does she still get penalties for low light conditions? Same goes for traits that are clearly all about eyesight.

I find it very strange that this character can gain Quirks that obviously only apply to someone with eyesight, like Light Sensitive, Night Blindness, Photomania, Observant, etc.

hi, i havent received a notification for some reason
i never noticed the bleed riposte or the subtle change in the sprite. didnt know perforate did that! that makes it a better skill than i thought, perhaps it is fine as is

@ichi bamuhoru : thx for your feedback. There seems to be an issue with perforate tooltip, as it also adds bleed on riposte and should display that properly. I'll fix that.
That may make this skill a bit better in your list. I often use this without marking enemies, it's a good all-in-one skill, often not the best but a fine option.
I agree there is no point in equiping perforate AND thrust, these two don't make sense together. Maybe they should have been differenciated a bit more, but it's not likely a thing I'd do now.

Perforate also lacks the mention of it being an Offensive Mode exclusive move in its tooltip. This is a minor issue, but if the other offensive only skills have proper description, its only natural that Perforate should too

Perforate is the one bad skill in her kit of seven.
1. For just dealing damage, Thrust's increased damage vs Marked makes up for the lack of armor piercing entirely. In addition, if you equip Thrust and not Perforate, you'll have one more skill (a good stun vs marked!) to use in defensive stance, decreasing perforate's comparative value even further.
2. One of her Crimson Court trinkets gives her 50% armor prot. Once that item is obtained, the reasons to equip Perforate become even fewer.
I suggest subtly buffing Perforate by giving it pos3 availability. This would make little sense thematically, but would give Perforate one good use for Thorn backline support or Dare builds.

No, her name is Marlene. ;)

Edelgard is that you?

I can't emphasize enough how much i love this mod. The concept is something that touched me deep, such a beautiful gameplay and character design.

Its also annoying that if she interacts with any of the two Farmstead healing curios, the resulting heal will equal zero, be it just her or the whole team. can there be a fix?

My favourite class mod <3

This mod is great! I've tried ~50 or so modded characters and this is easily in my top 5 favorites. I absolutely love the flavor and the animations, particularly the ones where she weaves thorny vines that curl and burst beautifully. Hearken is so unique that sometimes I make teams just to use it.

Ignore the people that complain, I think people need to be a little insane to leave comments on workshop pages (I know I am) and they tend to only write when they are passionately negative.

I know it's too much to ask, but I really hope someday you'll try getting her into DD2 when they finally give it the modding tools they are promising. It would be a dream come true! But no matter what, I'm looking forward to whatever you do next!

Is mode switch ends her turn a bug?

@mrvalentine please press dislike and unsubscribe. You stupidly hate things done with great effort when you are on your end, visibly unable to even READ the actual skills description.
Actually, you don't deserve any modded content, please uninstall the game, it'll save time to other modders.

So your review is that the counterattack/bleed/mark manipulation character doesn't heal or DPS? I guess that checks out.

she is useless starts out with only 3 attacks the one offence attack sounds like shes hitting you with a wooden stick she heals her self making it look like she gonna heal the party but ends up with 0 every time and her damage sucks shes as blind as she looks dont subscribe

Now imagine if they wore Black Reliquary Armour.

@d_valroth Ah. Thank you.

(Although stealth doesn't work against her since she doesn't rely on vision in the first place.)

So basically, if you want her to play defensively, choose defensive and both stance skills and stay in defensive mode. If you want her to be offensive, choose offensive and both stance skills and get into offensive mode as soon as possible. She's not supposed to be supremely flexible, she's supposed to be awkward, but potentially powerful. Her blindness is not handwaved as a superpower in disguise.

She isn't a transformer. Her modes effect whether or not she can riposte, and whether or not she can be disrupted. Offensive/Defensive stance is a modifier.