@Futstub, I don't have an infographic or formal list (sorry, I probably need to make one, but haven't gotten around to it). For now, my best recommendation for seeing exactly what each trait does would be taking a look at the trait definitions here [github.com].

Is there a list somewhere that shows what the traits actually do?

After some more testing, I think I know what mod was messing with it. It was messing with everything, so I'm retracting my issue for now. Integrated Implants is just fucking with EVERYTHING man.

@Cthulhu The 3rd, yeah if you could get me some specifics, I'd greatly appreciate it. (Not trying to be a stick in the mud, just trying to keep library rework to a minimum- plus I really like not having to guess and test if something exists to patch it).

Seconding your comment on the rimworld modding devs, just an awesome community to be part of.

I don't know the exacts of it all myself. I just know that on Dubs discord and others, where I work on making my list as functional as possible, they have had recurring issues with mods not playing friendly with XML Extension. The whys and hows would probably best be asked of the people there. I can try and get a few examples from people on there if you want, or you can come on and ask yourself if you like. They good people and are always up for talking with another modder.

@Cthulhu The 3rd, does XML extensions know about said issues? I'm not seeing any steam comments, GitHub issues, or mentions on the rimworld discord. If it there really are widespread issues with the framework (and not mods implementing it in weird
non-standard ways), I can look into internalizing the bits of code that I call, but it's a last resort that I'd rather no go to if it can be avoided.

Currently XML Extensions is having issues with other mods. I'm on several Rimworld discords where we are trying to find the problem, but the fact of the matter is XML extensions is gonna need to fix it on their end. I know you have a previous version on your Git, but could you maybe make an alternate updated to 1.5? I don't even care if it's just the 1.4 version with the edits needed to make the game stop yelling about it, I'm just wondering if it's possible?

@Cinek, That's not nearly enough to go off of. If you'd like to file a bug report (thread pinned above, be sure to follow the guide), I'd be more tahn happy to take a look at the issue. Otherwise, I'm going to have to refer you to one of the dedicated troubleshooting resources (I'd highly recommend the RimWorld discord [discord.com] or to a lesser extend the wiki [rimworldwiki.com])

@KurtsCorbenik, Unsure, I don't run any stat uncap mods (but then again, I also haven't had a chance to play the last two update either). Naively, maybe check out Un-Limited ?

HELP I JUST REACTIVATED RIMWORLD THE GAME ISNT LOADING IN

Ah yes,another mod to make my rimworld experience to make my colonists from normal,weak,puny colonists to full on godslayers

Hey everyone, how to uncapp stats like mining yeld to make use of Hades wealth in example?

omg ty for update

thx 4 update

<3

Thank you! :D

1.5 update is up; had change up some of the xml structure and then hack in a patch so that old versions of the game could still read it (the things I do to avoid code duplication...). As always, please let me know if there are any weird interactions/ errors, preferably in the Bug Reports thread.

@vanilla, yup

can these traits show up on enemies?

Thank you so much!

@Appleson1, Yes, I am in the process of updating this (as well as all my mods) to 1.5. This one should be relatively painless once I decide how I want to handle back versions of the game. Glad you like it!

Hello, huge fan of this mod, I was just wondering if this mod will be updated for 1.5?
Not trying to rush development I was just curious. Thank you!

Just tried the pre-xmlextension commit, disabled the xml extension mod and gave an existing save a try: works great, traits are still present and no/less forced pauses by xmlextension mod.

I see, yea that works too, I'll probably go with that option since I keep a local backup of my Rimworld Appdata folder anyway cause of modlist, modsettings, all that jazz.

@Xeonzs, Ahh, I misunderstood and though you meant forking XML Extensions. If all you want is a copy of the mod from before the dependency, the old release (v4.0.0) is still available for download on my github [github.com]. I'd rather not put a second copy on the workshop as it implies that I'll be supporting it, but I can certainly add an FAQ topic.

Ah I had assumed my suggestion would actually be easier, not create more work.

Because you'd have a legacy version without xml requirement, basically just the version you had before tye requirement and leave it as it, and the new forked version that you'd continue developing.

This would mean you wouldn't have to update 2 projects, and people could resort to the legacy version when facing issues such as myself.

@Xeonzs (1/2), I was afraid of that, but before I get too far ahead of myself, I feel some slight correction is in order. While regulars updates are usually a sign of healthy development in source software, it isn't unheard of for projects to reach a place of relative stability where it can parked as "done (for now)". XML Extensions' compatibility with the base game is fine, especially as the game hasn't changed significantly since the mod was last updated. The bigger compatibility concern comes from other mods using XML Extensions incorrectly/ in unexpected ways to generate errors, like the ones you're experiencing, rather than from the library itself.

(2/2) Speaking of errors, the mod may have worked fine prior to the update, but I'd rather not keep adding hacky work arounds to deal with patch collisions, because "it worked fine before" / "that's how we've always done it" (I get enough of that stagnant mentality at work, I'll be dammed before I let it creep into my personal projects). I have some other approaches I can try before I go all "fine, I'll do it myself" and fork/ refactor the entire library, but they're more work for me so it may take a while to get ironed out.

I'm not a fan of the XML extensions requirement.
It's making other mods create other errors that before werent there or not shown, but either way did not impact my experience.

Now even with devmode disabled, it will still auto-pause whenever one of those errors occurs, this is super intrusive.
it also doesn't support mod options, so I can't disable the automated error logging nor auto pausing.

It doesn't help that the XML mod hasn't been updated in over a year, harming it's own compatibility with the base game and mods.
Your mod worked fine without it.

If going forward you'd want to use XML extension I'd instead suggest forking it, leaving this as the legacy basic version and the new forked one more refined/advanced with the requirement.

@Xyllisa Meem Paradox Station, Sorry I don't maintain a pretty printed chart/ list, but you're more than welcome to take a look at the source code [github.com] if you'd like to know exactly what each trait is doing.

Hello, is there a list of what the traits in this mod individually do anywhere?

@Karmapowered / @Flash, That's pretty much where I'm at. I don't love adding a whole mod dependency so that I can leverage a single class (part of me almost wishes that the settings part of xml extensions was its own mod), but it's better than trying to create code that already exists; libraries are there for reason.

Anyway, update's up. Should fix the Hospitality (and most other xpath related) collision issues. I probably should have added a load after rule (), but I'd recommend loading this mod after Hospitality.

Xmlextentions is a good idea. If it breaks then everyone everywhere will start screaming

I'm not a RW modder myself, but as you've mentioned, it's a tool that makes the life of (many) a mod creator easier.

Just by principle I'm against constantly reinventing the wheel, meaning that the collective experience and wisdom that can go into community libraries mods is a GOOD thing for everyone : less bugs, smaller downloads, better chance of support, etc.

I'm 100% behind the idea, and very much in support of "XMLExtensions" if you consider it beneficial to add to your mod.

PS : There has been a bad experience recently because the author of a very popular "library mod" left it ridden with bugs while the game migrated to a new version, but no one knows for sure *why* it happened, and till we know I'd like us not to make a generality out of it or otherwise speculate.

Community input time, what is the collective opinion on XmlExtensions? I'm always hesitant to force new dependencies on y'all, but PatchOperationSafeAdd [github.com] is a godsend for patching, because it adds fault tolerance while vastly simplifying the path operations I have to do (which has the added benefit of loading faster and being cleaner "code"). Any strong opinions against?

Hello,

it looks like this mod collides with the Hospitality mod.

Here is my HugsLib log [gist.github.com].

Is there anything that can be done ? I really like your mod, one of my favourite trait mods that I've used for many versions of the game. I don't want major issues with "Hospitality" either though, which is equally important to my enjoyment of the game. So I'm a bit in a pickle here I guess.

Your insight would be appreciated.

Unfortunately removing it with cherry picker removes 2 other traits :/
oh well

@Smaug, I believe it's a reference to Red vs Blue. The one of the original authors put it there and I haven't seen a need to remove/ change it.

Tucker? Is that even a word?

You can probably also remove the:
"Q: 1.4?
A: When it's done"

From the description, because I've done several games with it now in 1.4 and it works fine :)

After doing some more 1.4 games since my last comment, I have to say I'm happy with your balance changes you did end of last year, I'll usually make 1 demi-god-tier character for a solo start, she'll just need to gain armor, weapons and implants and from there grow the colony.

But now I have to be less worried about random-ass characters/enemies having too stronk perks, now that they're balanced it's like finding a character with the tough trait.

Keep up the good work.

@JD995, No, at the moment I don't have any plans to force traits with genes. If you want to make a patch mod that does, you're more than welcome to. If you'd like, I can add the url to the links above when you get it posted.

Is there any plans to add genes that force the traits? If there aren't do you mind if I make a patch to add them myself? (I'd like to add a few godlike xenotypes as op enemies to the game :P )

Hmm I see, in that case don't mind me.
It was added to one of my saved preset god characters in prepare carefully and when reviewing the changes I just noticed it.

Thanks for the in depth reply mate.

@Xeonz, I'm not ready to commit to anything yet, but the long term plan for the mod is to build out traits for other mythologies, like Egyptian (starting with Imhotep) and eventuality Norse (a Thor trait that adds emp damage to melee attacks could be super interesting). I haven't quite decided how I want to I want to go about that, but I'm leaning towards having individual traits for each mythology so that they can be enabled/ disabled with the mod settings to suit the player/ ideology/ story. For now, the Imhotep trait has a spawn chance of zero- it's there for compatibility/ future expansion reasons, but it's not meant to spawn naturally. Feel free to replace it with the dev menu and disable it with the mod settings to cut down on "bloat".

I went back and checked the original a17 mod, Imhotep has always just been medicine (and armor). Mercury used to have research speed and learning buffs, but those have been moved to the new Athena trait (Hermes now focuses on speed and trade).

Imhothep's Wisdom and the new Asclepius's Healing have the exact same modifiers and values, feels a bit like bloat to have the exact same perk but with a different name no?

I think Imhotep's Wisdom also did other things before this like increasing research speed and global learning, I feel like you made a small ctrl+v mistake here.

Other than that many of the new changes seem good, same goes for the rebalancing which honestly was needed, they're still very powerful traits.

Thank you for updating for actual mod quality, not just patch compatibility, very much appreciate the effort!

neat!

So far, it's been working perfectly for me. Thank you for updating this my good sir!

Oh! I'll be the first to admit testing was a bit lax on this update, so if something isn't working as expected, feel free to drop me a message in the bug reports discussion and I'll get that fixed as soon as I can.

1.4 update focuses on giving Divine traits a bit of long overdue TLC: existing traits have been renamed/ labeled to all be Hellenic, some have been reworked to fit in better with their divine patron, and new traits have been added for Art, Mining, and Intellect. Armor bonus have been restricted to patrons with combat/ war related domains and halved across the board. See change notes for specifics.