arrows and javelins still penetrate testudo formation

this piece of ♥♥♥♥ game ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ suuuuucks!!!!!

damn dudes go learn roman history talking smart about something that you dont know anything about

can you update this mod?

doesn't work anymore 2023

@Stormcrow You completely failed to mention the actual killer of Carrhae, the Parthian cataphracts. The horse archers did fine work, but only some historians claim that their bows were so powerful, and personally speaking, they'd have to be way too close for comfort for that kind of power consistently, even a horse wouldn't get them out of that proximity without a great many archers having died, no the real problem at Carrhae was the commander's lack of confidence to such a degree he failed to act, preferring to stay locked in a hollow square, with the infantry formed up into a testudo, which made them insanely easy to hit with a mass of horse and rider in full armor. Many more men died on the lance that day then by arrow, make no mistake on that.

Is this compatible with DeI?

Hello Gorgulla, I'm working on a project where I would like to include this mod. Please let me know when you have the time for a chat about this.

This 100% is no longer working for me, im using the ancient combat mod as well but there is no change when using this mod compared to vanilla

And most of the killing took place after the battle as the Roman's tried to flee, in fact, in numerous instances the partians let pockets of Roman's escape temporarily, just to run them down once they got far enough away from the safety of the formation, as it became easier to kill them that way. That's exactly how they lost their standards that day.

Lets be nice about this. There are stories of legionaries with 30 plus javelins stuck in their shields after battles. Try De Bello Gallico, It's Julius Caesar's personal account of the Gallic wars and you'll learn just how protective those shield actually were.

@stormcrow. That's utter nonsense. The romans didn't use large shields because they didn't helped against arrows. That's ridiculous.

Then the winged Cataphracts arrived.

The Romans waited for the battle to end. They waited, and waited, and waited. But the arrows never stopped coming. Many soldiers were being hit in the foot, in a tiny gap where the scutum didnt cover. Eventually they realized the enemy horse archers were going away and resupplying and coming back with more arrows, so they realized they had to make a break for it. However, they failed miserably and the entire army was slaughtered and captured. Battle of Carrhae

Ahhhh, it was noted that Testudo was weak towards heavy calvary charges. They are only effective against archer fire.

With this mod stop working dymamic updating unit stat box when used abylitys boosting damage, attack, def. etc. Maybe this only visual bug, but descent annoying=\ Game version 2.4.0.

So... quick question: How does this compare to those in Ravens Legionary Tactics?

@Fengxian0830 & @«Lori»™[GER] it should be updated now!

Could you please update this Gorgulla?

Update pls :(

I see - it is a nice mod all the same

dmcf That's very true, atm it only affects hit-chance from arrows, not the movement speed and such.

That does look more accurate, but tbh historical evidence shows testudos were only used in sieges. They would be fine to protect against missile attacks, but there is no way any unit could move more than very slowly, or fight in melee, in testudo

is this compatible with radious?

testudo is tank of human shield:D best formation

Is there any possibility of making a turtle as large as in AttIla TW?

Updating again I love this however if you get hit in sides or rear bye bye, so not OP.

thanks..

Yes it affects AI too if they are using this formation. So there's no advantage to neither one.

does the roman ai get this too, if im playing another faction..

I mean technically Augustus was given the name of Caesar since he was adopted by Caesar, making him Caesars successor. "Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus"

Does not seem to work with DEI, at least for me.

@Waresky Varrus was under Augustus' rule, not Caesar's.

Mod updated so the explanation mark is gone!

@Waresky No problem!

@Maycroft . With 30 Legion (230.000 men ca) control from pacific to Syria..from North Africa to England at the top power Era..but not even so "easy". 3 Legions lost into German ambush (under Varo command-Cesar time) and 9 Legions lost in Parthia confrontation..

@Gorgulla Ty so much for explain. Good work anyway

@Waresky problably a bug with the launcher, you can see that the mod is updated 4th august ( top right ).
Also, the mod is compatible with any patch, I will update the mod again as soon as the new patch is out here where I live.

@Maycroft There's a reason why romans took over most of the world :)

well, romans are already "quite" owerpowered in terms of heavy infantry, so thanks for giving them another literally inpenetrable formation :)

To be honest I prefer it working than being fancy and not working, also the historical accuracy is great I honestly never looked into that.

@Gorgulla are u sure its DEI compatible?...and i show ur mod r "old"...(!) r all ok?

Any way you can have the offensive Testudo to be broader rather then a narrow line?

Some of you guys need to re-read what the mod does. It doesn't add a "side shield" to the testudo. It just decreases the hit-chance while in that formation.

thx for your answer，but i only have three mods：no agents，no civil war and better camera，i have no idea，dude

@InfiniteFantasy it should work, make sure no other mod does the same thing.

why not work?

Side never because ...other Centuriae or Cohort are link,join,togheter.

Side (left or right) never happen in REAL historical description on "testudo". Only top and front. Good work.

Ohhhhhhhhhh at LAST 1 men know HOW work a testudo. Ty for this "simple" re-work.

Will try this out in custom..