Need to add this to the garrison samurai as well.

@Reaper_Tech I got you covered. i'm gonna make it tomorrow

sadly someone forgot to give the Ikko Yari Ronin the same ability

Such a simple change suddenly making these units hella viable instead of almost useless. And they still remain balanced since you have to consider hire\upkeep cost, unit size, investment into yari dojo instead of the others.

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" No matter how skilled a warrior you are, you cant parry 15 spears at once." that sounds like a challenge

Everyone fought in formation, it's just that samurai were more akin to officers than common ashigaru, they led units around rather than being units themselves (with a few exceptions). But when they did fight as a unit (mostly as cavalry or armed with teppo) they most certainly did so in a formation.Fighting outside of formation is probably the quickest way to get yourself killed. No matter how skilled a warrior you are, you cant parry 15 spears at once.

supper cool, i never knew that until now! also it seems logical that troops would be smart enough to compact together to defend against cav, especially the more disciplined troops who would follow orders well, i might be wrong tho, still good mod tho!

One more thing - I'm studying and reading Japanese military strategy treatises (no English translations for those who can't read Japanese, unfortunately) from early Edo period like Gumpou Jiyoushuu and Bukyou Zensho. They absolutely explain how all your troops should be disciplined and always assume battle formations regardless of whether they are ashigaru or samurai. Even the monomi (field scouts) have their own types of light cavalry formations. So yeah, samurai actually did almost always fight and move in formations from the 1300s onward.

Some good sources on the topic: "Weapons of the Samurai" by Stephen Turnbull, "Samurai Weapons and Fighting Techniques" by Thomas Conlan, "Warriors of Japan as Portrayed in the War Tales" by Paul Varley, "The Taiheiki: A Chronicle of Medieval Japan", "Onin-ki" (Chronicles of the Onin war, there's no English translation I know of but for those who know Japanese).

Good mod. Samurai not fighting in formations is actually a huge misconception. Samurai actually DID fight in formation - from the 14th century onwards samurai started fighting in groups with spears and duels where they'd say their name would decrease drastically. Two things influenced this - the Mongol invasions and the Nambokucho wars. The Mongols used massed formations and the samurai learned how effective they can be. And during the Nambokucho period there were lots of sieges and castle assaults/defences which were a rarity before that time. Sieges and defending or assaulting castles required fighting in groups, in formations. By the time of the Onin war we can clearly see that battle formations were a normal part of samurai combat, not just ashigaru. And during the Sengoku period after that both ashigaru and samurai fought almost exclusively in big, massed formations of spears, pikes and matchlocks. Cavalry also utilized cavalry formations.

I just want my Yari to have spear wall, but none of the mods seem to work for me!

Why don't you have a picture of the Yare unit being selected in your main photo? It's a picture of a general selected.

Maybe irrelevant, but I just had to say something.

Why are people discussing this matter of samurais in formations without providing any evidence as to one thing or the other? Who cares what you "think" they did... Did you read it somewhere? Give some sources to your claims please. This is not directed towards Varus, but rather the people in the comments defending one thing or the other. Although if @Varus has any evidence it since writing that claim in the description, it would be nice to see.

Now Yari Samurais are just 10x better! Finally they can beat Ashigaru.

Its actually not as true as people think. Even dating back to the samurai that faced the mongolians that attacked japan. they have more historical proof that shows even there the samurai knew the importance of fighting in formation. One on One battles are great for story but in reality the whole Fight honourably in one on one combat is not as big of a thing as people think.

So THAT's why they couldn't fight in formation before. There's a historical prescedent behind it.

what about yari ronins

This ability isn't applied to hattori branded yari samurai.

That being said I am absolutely getting this mod for siege battles lol.

@Larold, they didnt technically. They marched in formation, sure, but not combat formations as one thinks of Roman armies. Japanese combat placed emphasis on and even revolved around single combat, not formation tactics. So, Varus is correct in saying that Samurai especially would not fight in some sort of spearwall formation. Formation tactics was a late Sengoku innovation for ashigaru units.

Bullshit they didn't fight in formation why would you think this?

Japanese used shields, however not as much as Europeans for example.
Samurai shield evolved to be part of the samurai armour. See those big ass rectangle pauldrons nearly every samurai armour has? They act as shields.

I'm a little bewildered by different aspects of Japanese tactics. That and the lack of shields just........anyway. Thank you. For whatever reason, my base game actually allows Yari Samurai to have the formation. After downloading a different mod to diversify the units, that function suddenly disappeared. It's my bread and butter and I needs it.

hmm this mod does apply to yari ronin. Are you going to add them too?

**hysterically screaching at 2am eastern time in the basement of someones moms house
@Top_Privelage you have really just made my night. just something really really sad but hilarious about your bows making gun sounds now. i haven't smiled like this since birth.

I am subscribing to this because of the epic description

"Historically the samurai did not fight in formation. "

Not entirely sure why anyone thinks this.

Does this apply for Bulletproof samurai as well?

you sir are clever I wounder if the Ai will use this.

I have to say. Your description for this is amazing.

There seems to be a bug causing unique Otomo units to not display unit card information, maybe it's a problem on my end but I've verified the cache and it only happens when this mod is loaded.

This doesn't work with Hattori Yari, is that on purpose or an oversight?

@Gentleman GitFace any time a unit Vanilla or modded unit it can do this just download Sinfonia Semplice you can fine it on twcenter run it after you have all your mods on.

hay there, I even uninstalled and re-installed the game, bows still make gun noises

Hay there, I took off the mod and un subed but for some reason my bowmen STILL make the gun noises. Help please?

mine is still making gun sounds for bowmen

*Thumbs up*

useful in every battle

but it still looks useful

so why have a yari wall formation with something close to a naginata

the reason yari wall formation is disabled for yari samurai is because the ashigaru used long yari's, and samurai used short yari.

can this be made to work for specialty yari units too?
would be nice to use them on my yari heroes, date bulletproof samurai and hattori yari samurai

this is fucking great!!

haha! LOVE THIS > "Yes I know: Historically the samurai did not fight in formation. However, I am their Daimyo and I will darn well order them to break tradition and form up if I want to"

um, can you set it to make it so it works with Hattori Samurai?

Does this works on Multiplayer ?

lol when i buy the game i will definetly download this

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Thank you, I needed this mod