That MacOS...

Apple is crap so yeah not surprised

So.... do I need to pay Apple for developer ID now annually? This makes no sence considering the low mac playerbase on Steam.

I am curious as to why we are required to get our programs notarized by Apple before distribution on Steam. Just another reason for me to drop OSX support for future games.

@Eric.B
Because Steam is not a virtual machine for games.

@GraphXGames,
I'll give your comments the reply it deserves, "Herpa a derp..."

I don't follow Apple news. So...

Has it been confirmed that non-notarized programs are completely blocked in 10.15? Is there no self authing system like UAC in Windows? Is there no cascading permissions from launching a program from a notarized program? Depending on the answers, looks like Apple is shooting themselves in the foot again. Especially in the FOSS world.

Apple want their cut, and exclusivity on their own store. Of course there's an extra hoop to jump through to have MacOS support for your game on Steam. Duh.

Yep, not dealing with OSX if Apple is going to gatekeep it with a signing process. There's been too many problems with Apple pulling legit stuff off the app store to trust them with a revocable signing process.

screw em. just wont bother selling games on OSX any more. means I can stick to directx and not waste money porting or testing on their crappy overpriced computers.

Does the requirement that "new" Mac games be notarized only apply to new appIDs, or does it also apply to uploading a new version of an existing game?

Does anybody know if we need to sign the game before notarising it? Notarisation works fine without signing but stapling afterwards does not give me a success-note if the game has not been signed. Will signing the game interfere with steam-signing, will signing and a potential re-signing by steam break the notarisation? And: is notarisation really necessary - does Steam set the quarantine-flag?

I'm also interested in knowing if having an non-notarized 64-bit game binary launched by Steam would work (even with a nag screen) if Steam is signed and notarized. These are important details. Would Valve be able to notarize binaries automatically?

We completely understand your concerns. Right now we are only requiring 64-bit binaries on new Mac Apps starting October 14th. This means existing apps are not required to have a 64-bit binary on an update.

We suggest notarization, as Apple says they will require it for all apps at some point in the future, however we will allow your game to ship on Steam without notarization at this time as it seems to be working right now in 10.15. Sorry we don't have plans to notarize apps on developers behalf.

For doing this, I HIGHLY recommend the SD Notary tool. (https://latenightsw.com/sd-notary-notarizing-made-easy/) It makes the process WAY easier.

When code signing, make SURE the Disable Library Validation option is selected or the App will not work right when launched from Steam. It would be a very good idea to add this little note to the Steamworks documentation.

So, from what I understand, even though past games will still play on Mac, I should just tke Mac off of the list for them?