Something wrong with barter.vg website?

[John Hadley]

Today my web browser (Google Chrome) is telling me this after I log in at barter.vg.

The barter.vg page isn’t working

barter.vg didn’t send any data.
ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE

Anyone know whats going on? Is the site deactivated or just having some momentary issues?

UPDATE: It looks like barter.vg's login is permanently broken at this point. It hasn't been allowing people to log in for a week or so. Apparently matches don't work anymore either.

I guess people should start to migrate to the Lestrades website for their trading needs.

Lestrade's Steam group is at http://steamcommunity.com/groups/lestrades
Lestrade's website is at https://lestrades.com

For people that want to try to log in at barter.vg and use what is left of the website, you can try to change the expiration date of your login cookie with something like this.

PhantomTa2 eredeti hozzászólása:

EDIT THIS COOKIE[chrome.google.com] will allow you to edit the cookie as you see fit. All you do is install the extension, go to barter.vg and start it. I've set my login cookie to expire in 2020

PIC HOSTED ON IMGUR WITH DETAILS[i.imgur.com]

Keyser Soze eredeti hozzászólása:

Edit This Cookie is only for Chrome and Opera, but I was able to use Cookies Manager+ for Firefox. Here's a little instructional screenshot if anyone needs it. http://imgur.com/a/QnYnB

[ilyvion]

Pizza Wizardess eredeti hozzászólása:

Nomnaut eredeti hozzászólása:

Need any help with the development? Do you have a repo up somewhere?

Although I would have liked to work on the site too, the answer is no:

Lestrade eredeti hozzászólása:

Unfortunately, the source code for the website remains a secret, so it's not like anyone can just magically take it to another server and ensure its well-being.

He also said something about how he didn't like open source licenses somewhere that I can't find

Which is sad, really, I think the community had/has a lot to offer.

Quantum eredeti hozzászólása:

Here it is:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/bartervg/discussions/0/353915309352715811/?ctp=5#c353916584662666699

Personally i think allowing other people to participate in building a good new site is an excellent suggestion. Both in terms of continuity, overall quality (if managed well), dividing work load (ofcourse) and speed of developing new features.

I actually find this quite troublesome. Considering how things went down with Barter, I feel like its successor shouldn't be yet another closed source single-person project. Lestrade's might be a good temporary successor, but a true Barter successor should be free/open software, and community developed and maintained. At a minimum, the source code should be open and available for pull requests.

A federation-based trading system would be even cooler, where anyone could install the trading website software, and they could all talk with each other. Would be a lot harder to pull off though, but trades could be verified and honored through a block-chain system. That's all the rage these days anyway, isn't it?

I'm not saying Lestrade's could never be the replacement for barter. But I think it's problematic (to say the least) to just move from one closed-source personal project to another one.

[Razzle]

eh honestly lately Iv been just declining every offer I get from barter since 99% of them are freebies and things that are in current bundles that are also cheap as hell
so I wouldnt know

[Razzle]

Would be helpful if you add the answer to this mess in the OP "edit it"
so people wont have to go thro all 8 pages of comments...

[MightyJordan]

Thanks for the heads-up, Royalgamer06. Guess this time, it may very well be the end of Barter.

[steenbreker]

Thanks to "Royalgamer06" that makes it clear.
lol, how to save a Browser-Cookie which becomes invalid?

I can say that I could complete the most fair trades with barter.
All the more I feel sorry for my little opponents that such a well thought-out project degenerates into a dead soul.

It inspires me all the more to invest time to create such a project.
Getting started with the API are already done with my little Shop of 1300 Games for pseudo currency.

But I hope more that "Barter" comes back.
At this point I would also like to be with no one enemy.
Our common faith is meant to strengthen us.
Sorry for my english!

[CMA]

Royalgamer06 I send you steam invite, there is 6k ppl to inform I know that may be a problem to handle, so let me know if you need help I can make & send you all id's of all users to inform

[Quantum]

Royalgamer06 eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm done sending to all people that have "Contact:After offer accepted":
https://i.imgur.com/Z768cwI.png
https://barter.vg/u/48e/o/

Very nicely done! You are even getting a decent amount of responses it seems (one even asked when an IG bundle would be added ;))!

[Nao 尚]

So, Royalgamer, you actually sent a mass offer..? I didn't even know it was possible anymore. (I remember it was available back in 2015, but the admin disabled them after he was unhappy with it.)

I'm not 100% sure this was the best topic to link to, though... It's long and complicated to read. It might have been best to create a specific topic to link to, with a quick explanation of the various problems at Barter and why it's dying, and then a link to Lestrade's Steam group for instance. (Which you can find on my profile for instance.)

Also, I wasn't in a hurry to 'advertise' the site. ;) As long as it doesn't have a trading system, it simply forces people to wait until it's there. And it's not ready yet. (I really lost a LOT of time on the offer creation page, wanting to get it to look close to what Barter offers... Always changing some details to make it look and behave better, and then going back because it didn't feel Bartery enough... Ahhhh, the joys of website birthing!)

alexschrod eredeti hozzászólása:

I actually find this quite troublesome. Considering how things went down with Barter, I feel like its successor shouldn't be yet another closed source single-person project.

Please, please don't compare me to Barter.

- First of all, Barter was run by an anonymous user, who did his best to hide his real identity. Mine is everywhere, I've never tried to hide who am I (not that anyone cares who I am, but at least they can find out), so you can easily get in touch with me on Facebook (given my unusual name I'm very easy to find), Github or whatever you fancy. Even e-mail. Or my dozen other websites. The admin chose to disappear overnight. We still don't know if he passed away or simply decided he wanted to sever his ties with that site out of paranoia or boredom. I'm not paranoid (I'm not doing anything illegal!), and I like building communities over the years.

- Secondly, the Barter admin was a self-confessed newbie (albeit a dedicated and talented newbie) when it comes to building a website. I've been doing that since March 15, 1996. Tomorrow will be my 21st anniversary as a webmaster. That's a LONG time. All of my old sites are still online, including the first one (namida.cyna.fr), projects I abandoned or finished years ago (ency.cyna.net, kyodai.com), etc. Ask anyone who's on my other sites-- you're safe with me as the admin.

- Thirdly, 99% of the website is already open source. Just check out https://github.com/Wedge/wedge and you can download most of the code. There's only about 150KB worth of code that's specific to Lestrade's and I'm keeping to myself for now. If I feel inadequate for the job in the future, I'll open-source it for someone else to help improve it. Other than that, there's no reason to do so.

Lestrade's might be a good temporary successor, but a true Barter successor should be free/open software, and community developed and maintained. At a minimum, the source code should be open and available for pull requests.

Feel free to send pull requests for Wedge. Strangely, it's been years since I've seen someone send a pull request for a big new feature in Wedge (namely the notification system). I'm open to contributions. But it's a huge codebase and I doubt anyone will be interested.

A federation-based trading system would be even cooler, where anyone could install the trading website software, and they could all talk with each other.

I don't know what a federation system is. As for installing software-- you mean like Diaspora? Sure, that worked well for them... Desktop app? Then we're completely leaving the concept of a website aside. It's something I could do, I just don't see the point.

Would be a lot harder to pull off though, but trades could be verified and honored through a block-chain system. That's all the rage these days anyway, isn't it?

Maybe, but I've never heard the words 'federation' and 'block-chain' in the same sentence.

I'm not saying Lestrade's could never be the replacement for barter. But I think it's problematic (to say the least) to just move from one closed-source personal project to another one.

Well, obviously you're free not to use it.
But considering that I've spent a lot of time building a hopefully worthy successor and no one else felt like they wanted to do it, I'm afraid you're stuck with me and my appalingly boring design decisions.

[Nao 尚]

Razielite eredeti hozzászólása:

Would be helpful if you add the answer to this mess in the OP "edit it"
so people wont have to go thro all 8 pages of comments...

Agreed, someone ping John please! He already edited his OP to fix the title, he can go a bit further and post a summary + links :)

[theemu]

Lestrade eredeti hozzászólása:

So, Royalgamer, you actually sent a mass offer..? I didn't even know it was possible anymore. (I remember it was available back in 2015, but the admin disabled them after he was unhappy with it.)

It's not possible to send mass offer. But it is really quite easy to write a script that autosends an individual offer to everyone.

something seems to have gone wrong on the 2nd batch though, he only created the offers but didn't propose them so 1000's of offers just timed out https://barter.vg/u/48e/o/

[smegs]

Thanks for the head's up RoyalGamer. I thought barter had been a little quiet, lately.

+1 to any successor being community-developed. No offense to Lestrades, but solo devs tend to get burnt out when it comes to managing large communities. It's great that you feel up to it, but you might not feel that way after managing a community for a year or two.

[DRIFTER]

changed cookie login to 2018 as per emu's recommendation, no hassle, easy, and still going strong. i guess it won't matter if others can't get in...

[Kaje]

De mon côté, Barter fonctionne bien encore mais quelques problèmes apparaissent. Tiens nous au courant de ton travail pour une plateforme en remplacement de Barter et bon courage !

[Nao 尚]

smegs eredeti hozzászólása:

No offense to Lestrades, but solo devs tend to get burnt out when it comes to managing large communities. It's great that you feel up to it, but you might not feel that way after managing a community for a year or two.

The name's Nao, Lestrades is the site's URL. ;) (Well, my nickname is currently Lestrade but I'll switch back to Nao once I implement some way for LT's to 'lock' my username instead of updating it from Steam.)
As for managing a large community-- who said I planned to do that?
I consider myself the builder. The architect, if you will. That doesn't mean I have to entertain my guests. :D I most certainly will, but I'm also planning to set up a site team that will handle the community. It'll come in time.

[r3tr0k3r]

Lestrade eredeti hozzászólása:

smegs eredeti hozzászólása:

No offense to Lestrades, but solo devs tend to get burnt out when it comes to managing large communities. It's great that you feel up to it, but you might not feel that way after managing a community for a year or two.

The name's Nao, Lestrades is the site's URL. ;) (Well, my nickname is currently Lestrade but I'll switch back to Nao once I implement some way for LT's to 'lock' my username instead of updating it from Steam.)
As for managing a large community-- who said I planned to do that?
I consider myself the builder. The architect, if you will. That doesn't mean I have to entertain my guests. :D I most certainly will, but I'm also planning to set up a site team that will handle the community. It'll come in time.

Nice job!! The new site looks really nice.

Active bundle mathes is a feature I'll really love in this new site ;-)