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GuRu Asaki Nov 17, 2023 @ 10:59am
Amazon Made An Announcement When Will VALVE Follow?
Amazon is ditching the Mobile Phone & Google Architecture
on their Fire Stick TV Service for a more Linux Browser Based One...

Why is Valve not taking up on this Opertunity?

I don't know if Amazon will make things worst or better
for their Fire Stick TV, but I really like the drive away
from these two Markets they are suggesting they are doing...

It's just i'm hoping other Companies start seeing this,
I really, really want to see VALVE re-think their situation,
& actually think about the direction they are going in...

VALVE is Dividing up it's User Base over this Client issue...

I want to think Amazon is making a better choice then VAVLE is...

I'm not suggesting that VALVE Give Up on the whole STEAM Deck thing,
i'm just strictly talking about giving the People who are quiting STEAM
an Option to work things out & keep enjoying STEAM on a Computer
that has no drive over Google & Mobile, a STEAM that can work with
Linux or something New that isn't Windows...

I think Amazon is making better choices then VALVE is right now,
the only question here is?

Will Gaming ever be suitable for Computer Use Again?
& Favor Computers...

Or is New Future Gaming just Dead?
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cSg|mc-Hotsauce Nov 17, 2023 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Amazon Made An Announcement When Will VALVE Follow?

Amazon is ditching the Mobile Phone & Google Architecture
on their Fire Stick TV Service for a more Linux Browser Based One...

Why is Valve not taking up on this Opertunity?

I don't know if Amazon will make things worst or better
for their Fire Stick TV, but I really like the drive away
from these two Markets they are suggesting they are doing...

It's just i'm hoping other Companies start seeing this,
I really, really want to see VALVE re-think their situation,
& actually think about the direction they are going in...

VALVE is Dividing up it's User Base over this Client issue...

I want to think Amazon is making a better choice then VAVLE is...

I'm not suggesting that VALVE Give Up on the whole STEAM Deck thing,
i'm just strictly talking about giving the People who are quiting STEAM
an Option to work things out & keep enjoying STEAM on a Computer
that has no drive over Google & Mobile, a STEAM that can work with
Linux or something New that isn't Windows...

I think Amazon is making better choices then VALVE is right now,
the only question here is?

Will Gaming ever be suitable for Computer Use Again?
& Favor Computers...

Or is New Future Gaming just Dead?

It's called SteamOS.

:summercat2023:
GuRu Asaki Nov 17, 2023 @ 3:47pm 
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Amazon Made An Announcement When Will VALVE Follow?

Amazon is ditching the Mobile Phone & Google Architecture
on their Fire Stick TV Service for a more Linux Browser Based One...

Why is Valve not taking up on this Opertunity?

I don't know if Amazon will make things worst or better
for their Fire Stick TV, but I really like the drive away
from these two Markets they are suggesting they are doing...

It's just i'm hoping other Companies start seeing this,
I really, really want to see VALVE re-think their situation,
& actually think about the direction they are going in...

VALVE is Dividing up it's User Base over this Client issue...

I want to think Amazon is making a better choice then VAVLE is...

I'm not suggesting that VALVE Give Up on the whole STEAM Deck thing,
i'm just strictly talking about giving the People who are quiting STEAM
an Option to work things out & keep enjoying STEAM on a Computer
that has no drive over Google & Mobile, a STEAM that can work with
Linux or something New that isn't Windows...

I think Amazon is making better choices then VALVE is right now,
the only question here is?

Will Gaming ever be suitable for Computer Use Again?
& Favor Computers...

Or is New Future Gaming just Dead?

It's called SteamOS.

:summercat2023:



STEAM OS is mainly a Mobile product, though, ~_~
Catboycel Nov 17, 2023 @ 3:49pm 
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

It's called SteamOS.

:summercat2023:



STEAM OS is mainly a Mobile product, though, ~_~

There are pretty convincing rumors that Valve plans on releasing Steam OS as a seperate linux distro.
Magdev Nov 17, 2023 @ 6:14pm 
The Steam Deck has opened new pathways into allowing proton and Linux-based gaming to become an actual contender to Windows gaming.

In retrospect, all Amazon is doing is wanting to get away from having to license Google's Android OS, and to instead build up an even lighter web-only variant. Because Amazon doesn't want you to do anything on the OS level. They just want to serve your apps through their servers.

You should understand a little more about Amazon as an Everything-Served-As-A-Service (or ESAAS).

One day you'll realize those new hardware inventions by Amazon will get deprecated quickly once they can no longer support their new OS versions, thus further legitimizing future planned obsolescence.

In the modding world, Amazon Fire sticks are reflashed to do many other things. They want to stop that and force consumers to stop using Fire sticks as lightweight plex clients.
Last edited by Magdev; Nov 17, 2023 @ 6:15pm
GuRu Asaki Nov 17, 2023 @ 11:22pm 
The Steam Deck has opened new pathways into allowing proton and Linux-based gaming to become an actual contender to Windows gaming.


Steam Deck is not even on the same Market though?

It's a glorified Mobile Portable Product & Windows 11
is becoming a Mobile Product, too

But Windows like Windows 7 for instance is a Computer Product,
Windows 10 is Computer 1st & Mobile Second...

People want Computer Based Products, Not Mobile Products...
Sooo Valve is appealing to the wrong crowd here...

They are appealing to a Mobile Crowd where all the Computer
People are left behind saying they want their Steam Back...

This is what I like about GOG sooo much, is that GOG
is not leaving it's Computer People behind, & it's also
not killing off it's Gaming Market, instead it's trying to
preserve it for a few more Generations at least...

People see GOG as a Platform they can trust &
People see GOG as a positive thing in the Market,
So People want GOG & Don't want Steam...

Now, I know, I know but Steam has millions of Games?
But Millions of Games don't mean jack if none of them
are appealing to the Customer at all... If all these Games
are hateful, & disguesting, & Politically aweful? Then
I don't think anyone is going to care if they stopped
existing at all, & move to Platforms like GOG that are
more likely going to give them a much better Experience...

I technically don't hate the STEAM Deck at all,
I just don't want to buy one, because what I want
is Gaming on my Computer, & the STEAM Deck
isn't going to provide me what I want... I've already
been thinking about this back when Razer launched
it's own Version of the Nintendo Switch with
Custom Joycons built for Gaming on the Computer
with Steam, Razer, & other Platforms in Mind, I
already thought about this, & I chose not to dive
into that Market for a reason...

Even Sony has messed around with the idea of
a Portable Gaming System, & Sony was never
able to find a Market for it that People wanted
to Explore... Even Sony has failed in that Department...

The only Market that ever found it successful was
the Nintendo Market, & the Nintendo Market never
had to push Political Views, or hate, or distrust with
it's Fan Base to get FAN's addicted to this Market,
no, all they had to do was make a Product that
their Fans wanted... & that is all it took, but the
important thing to know, is that Nintendo never
merged their Mobile Portable Market with their
Mainline Console Market, they kept them separate
apart from another, & People love Nintendo for
doing that... Heck, the New Mario Odyssy is actually
a really, really great Video Game on the Ninendo Switch,
but STEAM on the other Hand?...

STEAM is trying to appeal it's already Computer
Gaming Market to a bunch of New Generation
People, & STEAM is basically Alienating it's
Customers & Dividing it's Customers to do it...

& People from the very beginning have stated
they don't want that Market... & I Don't know,
It's just Valve won't listen to anyone...

With all the problems surrounding Windows & Google
right now... No one is against STEAM moving into the
whole Linux Environment, I think a lot of People would
be happy with that... But what People really want is for
STEAM not to go Linux, & for STEAM to just straight out
Build it's own Environment or OS, because People don't
want to be stuck & feel like they are forced to be on
Linux, People want other Options out there available,
& it just so happens that Apple & Windows are no longer
on the Table... So People feel like a pressure of having
to be forced onto Linux, because there is no Alternative...

I Garantee you, this is why so many People say they
don't want to leave Windows 7 & Windows 10 right now,
this is their driving reason, is that they are being pressured
into either hating Windows or moving to Linux when they
know nothing about Linux, & most likely have Zero comfort
in going to Linux...

& This is why People don't wanna leave Windows 7 & Windows 10,
It's Built For Computers & It's an Environment they are already in
love with, & they already have tons of Content for it, & already
know their way around it...

STEAM Deck doesn't offer these People anything, because
it's an Environment that doesn't appeal to these People,
it's an Environment that only suits & appeals to the supposed
Newer Generations out there, & it serves as Zero interest in
the People who use STEAM on the Computer...

Then there is the supposed Video Games on STEAM,
Valve is supporting Companies that are trying to
appeal to that STEAM Deck Market, & no longer
Appealing to the Computer Market anymore, &
anything for the Computer Market is only appealing
to the New Generation anyways with all these Political
Disgusting Ideologies that People hate so much,
so basically People hate the Video Game Industry
because it's not just STEAM, the Video Games suck, too...





Your right, STEAM Deck does open new Pathways into other
Markets, & does open it's doors for something New... But who
is it Marketed to?

Not People like me, not the Computer Market... No,
it's not Marketed to us at all...

This is where the whole Alienating it's Customers come in,
because that is exactly what VALVE is doing Today, is that
it's Alienating it's Customers... Hell even People are getting
Report BAN Abused for just talking on the STEAM Forums
lone enough hatefully assaulted in Video Games by Report
Abusers... It's all about Alienating the Customers...

And what Person wants to associate themselves with that Environment?

The Environment is Toxic, it's filled with Hate, & Anti-Customer,
& Anti-Speech... It's an aweful Environment...

People see GOG, & if you actually read the TOS, Rules, & Regulations
of GOG, you would see how much better they treat their Customers,
going to GOG not only gets you out of the Video Game Toxic Atmosphere,
but going to GOG also restores your faith in Video Games again,
it's a breath of fresh air, it gives People a place to breathe, it allows
People to calm down, & think for a min, & think wow I can actually
be here, & don't have to argue with anyone, I can just be myself,
& no one actually complains, this is great, it's fantastic, maybe
I should think about buying Games here instead of STEAM...

And this is exactly what People want VALVE to see, this is what
People are trying to make note on with Valve, is that Valve is
going in the wrong direction, & forcing it's Customers to move
along with them, is only hurting Valve's STEAM Platform, not
making VALVE Popular at all... Alienating Customers is actually
also killing the STEAM Platform, even more so...

Nearly everyone that has argued with this whole problem,
has actually moved to GOG, moved to Linux, or is fighting
to keep what they already have on the Windows they don't
want to leave, or they all moved to Consoles again...

Because they are sick of the problem,
& everyone knows that VALVE won't listen,
everyone knows it, & everyone knows VALVE doesn't care,
so because they know this, they are just saying "NO MORE",
this is what we are doing, & we said "NO", & that is final...



Amazon on the other hand?

Sounds like they are going back to marketing to these so called
People that love Computers, Amazon wants to appeal to this
Market again, because they see the Problem, & they want to
do something about it... Now, either People are going to love
Amazon for it, or Amazon is just going to do something stupid
with this Market, who really knows... But Amzon driving away
from Mobile & even Google & Windows, sounds like a good
positive push forward for them...

I'm just curious if any other Companies are going to see this,
& think? Gee, maybe we are looking at this all the wrong way,
maybe, just maybe we were wrong all along... Maybe we owe
it to our Customers to make things right again...

I don't really know, I just know the current state & the Problem,
& I don't see anything Remotely getting better over this issue,
unless People start supporting the idea that People need Options
out there... Maybe we should actually keep these Markets separated
from one another afterall, & maybe that is just for the best...


Whatever happens, I have no regrets to my arguments here...
Elucidator Nov 18, 2023 @ 5:16am 
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
But Windows like Windows 7 for instance is a Computer Product,
Windows 10 is Computer 1st & Mobile Second...
Microsoft has been on the rush to capture other markets and failed because it never got anywhere or people didn't care too much over the last decade.
The consequences are two:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/
(the link name is illusive, the graphs and data are about Windows (any version). )
https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/03/07/windows-losing-market-share-us-historic-low-57/

The second consequence is that they lost value of their company and a ton of money.
ChromeOS competitor Windows S, failed (and pieces of it became windows 11)
VR Headgear project also.... kinda failed although it does exist.
Windows Phone advances failed. Tablet failed.
And in the mean time they neglected development of the Windows Desktop OS, which is why windows 11 looks like a reskin of 10 with extra bloat... and a lot more invasive tracking to get pennies back.

Currently they're throwing in AI (deep learning based pattern detection and resolving programs), but anyway---
Windows developer microsoft isn't exactly doing good on Windows. And they diffidently wanted to make it a mobile / multiplatform OS. (as evident by windows 8 and up).

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
if all these Games
are hateful, & disguesting, & Politically aweful? Then
I don't think anyone is going to care if they stopped
existing at all, & move to Platforms like GOG that are
more likely going to give them a much better Experience...
People are still curious as to why the market of many entertainment industries go towards political topics, such as inclusivity. And with entertainment industries, I include films and life action series providers such as netflix, or comic creators.
It's a gamble on popular subjects and themes in my guess. A test to see if it fits and works for them. but---

Steam, Valve doesn't make almost all of the games on the Steam platform. They don't make the groups and curators that advertise them either. They don't make the lists of games people get recommended; people do.
People tag games. People make curator lists.
Valve allows them to do that and allows this automatically + if the popularity hits high enough automatically promotes the curator and their ideas.
The same goes for games.

Valve's own games are Portal and Half Life for example. They don't look very political culture inspired in my opinion, but maybe I see things differently from you.

Another thing to note is that indie game devs generally don't include popular political themes in their games. (look on itch.io for example to see a number of indie games without any such content.) AAA game developers to me seem more likely to let american politics influence their game design.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
& the Nintendo Market never
had to push Political Views, or hate, or distrust with
it's Fan Base to get FAN's addicted to this Market,
no,
I think you maybe confusing Steam with Discord or some other platform. Steam is basically multi-taste and what it shows is unique to each user. They have an entire video on this, not just blog posts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkmAqBvUBOw
Within your account settings you can change what Steam shows you and you can also change what you get recommended with. What you automatically get recommended with also heavily depends on how you use Steam. What for example, did you positively review on Steam? Steam's design keeps this in account when making recommendations. If you follow cuirators or games you don't like, then you're going to get recommendations based on those games or stuff the curators you follow recommend; or whatever your friends do, because that is how the system works.

So I recommend you not to follow curators you don't like.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
& I Don't know,
It's just Valve won't listen to anyone...
You should look into SteamOS, its history and its development as well as proton. Not the Steam Deck, but the OS package running on it. There were always intentions of eventually making this a full desktop OS that people would like to use as their own desktop environment.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
But what People really want is for
STEAM not to go Linux, & for STEAM to just straight out
Build it's own Environment or OS, because People don't
want to be stuck & feel like they are forced to be on
Linux, People want other Options out there available,
& it just so happens that Apple & Windows are no longer
on the Table... So People feel like a pressure of having
to be forced onto Linux, because there is no Alternative...
Linux is just the kernel. The kernel is the thing that lets software talk to hardware. It's what handles drivers on Windows.
Linux operating systems are actually 'linux kernel based' operating system 'packages'. The desktop environment is highly customizable. You should probably look into it. It's a bit of a large ask at least to ask Valve to develop an OS kernel.
Even if they do, that doesn't mean the file system would be different.
The file system, C:\ D:\ things like that, that's not the kernel, that's just the way files are stored and how that data is accessed. The File Explorer is what displays this in a graphical user interface, etc. There are many parts that go into an OS package.
https://youtu.be/FeDYxBulZ6c?t=51

Linux-based OS can in fact look like Windows if you really want and even work the same way, from an end user's perspective.
(Look into WindowsFX if you want to see a project trying to do that. Yes, it has NTFS, etc.)

Anyway SteamOS is Valve's attempt at making their own desktop envrionment.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
is that they are being pressured
into either hating Windows or moving to Linux when they
know nothing about Linux, & most likely have Zero comfort
in going to Linux...
Learning new things is always stresful, much like moving a house.
What Microsoft does to its users is causing some of those users to dislike them on their own; it's nothing other people are doing or pressuring people into doing. They may be very loud about it, but you're not forced to take on their opinion.

Considering a new machine, OS, etc. Everything takes a while to get used to or figure out how to do and so long you see going back as an option, you'll not going to go over your routines very easily. It's like dealing with an addiction. It's very comforting sitting in your routine, even when that routine is a bother.

Try linux mint. It's not the latest and greatest OS, but its designed to be immediately usable much like a new laptop people bought. It's also heavily designed around the realization that people who do not know anything considering software, hardware and computers can still use it, so it's inspired by windows in its design.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
&
anything for the Computer Market is only appealing
to the New Generation anyways with all these Political
Disgusting Ideologies that People hate so much,
so basically People hate the Video Game Industry
because it's not just STEAM, the Video Games suck, too...
I recommend trying to talk about it with a therapist and see if they can help you with dealing with this stress you seem to have. I'm not sure if you noticed, but you already mentioned these things and opinions. I also noticed a lot of what looks like ruminating thoughts based on these stressors you have. No offense intended. I do read, but still. There is a lot of that content so I think it may at least be an idea to see a professional to talk with about these stressors, or trying a few sessions online somewhere. Who knows.

I recommend to try keep your own thread on topic where you can at least.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Amazon on the other hand?
Hm... amazon is also a man in the middle sales platform that acts for actual stores. They allow the sales of apple computers that no longer receive servicing; which is a controversial topic I suppose. The thing is, they're not perfect either.

I am not sure what this fire tv stick is, but from what I could quickly tell, it's a browser that loads a website installed on a device connected to the TV, for I guess amazon's streaming service? The project reminds me of Android Alternatives. GraphineOS and /e/ are also developing their own browser.
(yes, there is an operating system called /e/)

but anyway, who knows. Maybe Valve will at some point make their own browser.
Anyway, the browser isn't the same as the operating system (kernel) package.
Last edited by Elucidator; Nov 18, 2023 @ 5:28am
GuRu Asaki Nov 18, 2023 @ 10:18am 
Valve's own games are Portal and Half Life for example. They don't look very political culture inspired in my opinion, but maybe I see things differently from you.

I was refering to Majority if not mostly all Games Today,
not Games by Valve themselves, & your right Valve themselves
haven't really made any Video Games that are Politically hated,
but then again, Valve doesn't really even make Video Games at
all for that to matter anyways... They made Half-Life Alyx which
People hated, because it was a VR Game. not a Computer Game,
however VALVE did change CS:GO into a Politically Hated Game
where People did hate VALVE for it, & that was CS2... So Technically
VALVE isn't safe from your Statement here...

You forgot that VALVE got backlash for CS:GO & CS2 issues...

L4D2 also got Updated & ruined which caused another Backlash
against a Product, which I believe is under VALVE's Development?

I can't comment on Team Fortress 2, but I heard it might have
undergone some changes People didn't like, but like I said,
I can't comment, cause I don't know enough info about it,
to know if this was true or not...

The Indie Market is actually putting Political Themes in their Games,
they are just as bad as the Triple AAA Market, but the difference is
that the Triple AAA Market is just way more noticable, because
most People talk about the Triple AAA Market...

Some People complain that there are a lot of Naughty Anime looking
Video Games on Steam, majority of Free 2 Play Games are all filled
with Microtransactions, & many Indie Games are being pushy on the
whole idea that Video Games have to appeal to this new Steam Deck
Mobile Market, such as 2D RPG's are highly popular to create, & many
of these Indie Games are just Marketing off what used to be Triple AAA
Games, such as Outbreak on EPIC Games where it's just a glorified
Resident Evil Clone, but reskined to look Cartoony, & the same thing
could be said about many Games on STEAM, such as a COD Clone that
I forgot the Name of... I've noticed a many STEAM Games are marketing
off old Triple AAA Games, & don't actually Inovate at all... Then there is
the whole Market of Games that appeal to Stupid Colors & aweful lighting,
& terrible Shadows, & such, where the Video Games just look poorly Colored,
Loddlenaut & An Arcade Full Of Cats are just a few Examples of what
poorly colored Indie Games look like, look at their screenshots, it's like
these Games are totally destroying the Color Spectrum, & then there
is the supposed Dum Video Games where you have completely stupid
Characters who have aweful Character traits, & these Characters are
supposed to appeal to the Younger Generation, but would never appeal
to People of other Generations at all...

Yes it's fine to make Games that Younger Kids want, but People need
to keep in mind that they aren't the only ones using Steam Today,
& you can't make every Video Game focusing on Characters like this,
then you have Triple AAA Games doing the same thing, such as
Mortal Kombat 11 creating Characters that wear the most dummest
& most rediculous clothing choices i've ever heard of in a supposed
Mortal Kombat Game... It's even worst knowing that AI is being pushed
into the Video Game Market now, which is making things even worst,
because now Optimizations are being forgotten over something like
AI, & the AI Generated Worlds are mostly all Artificial looking Worlds
that are souless, & have no heart in their creations...

I mean have you actually looked at the STEAM Store yourself?
VALVE put a giant STEAM Deck LOGO onto the Top of the STEAM Store
to reflect on their New Image, & their new Direction they are going in,
& it's soooo obvious that they are just trying to appeal STEAM to the
Mobile Portable Market mainly Generated to push Political Changes,
& appeal to the Younger Generation... It's sooo obvious...

There is like only 1% of anything Generated Today on STEAM or
somewhere else in Video Games that is actually appealing to the
actual Market of the Older Generations before the People of the
2000's & 2020's...

It's rediculous, that only 1% of Video Games appeal to these People,
when it used to be more like 57% possibly higher in the last 10 Years
before the 2020's... Look at the New Evil Dead Game on PlayStation 5
& X-Box One & X-Box Series X? You don't see nearly any Games like
that being sold on the STEAM Market Today, & if they do, they are
loaded with problems, & Optimization issues...





Proton, is nothing, but a glorified excuse not to Natively create anything
directly onto Linux it's self... Everything has to be made Windows, & just
ported over to Linux... Why should I sign-in to Steam, then jump through
a Proton Engine to play something on the Rockstar Launcher, or say the
UPlay Launcher, or something outside of STEAM... It doesn't make any
sense why VALVE wants to create more, & more, & more windows we
have to jump through just to play a Video Game, oO

On Windows, we used to just log-in to STEAM, click the Game, & play it,
hell even Games in the old days used to just be Double Clicked from the
Desktop of Windows, & you would start playing them with no Windows
at all to jump through... These so called Window Jumping is getting a
little out of hand, & a little rediculous, especially when you have to
Sign-In over multiple places... And there is also the matter of weather
Proton is even remotely Stable enough to run on Linux at all, because
even Proton could be Unstable Today, which adds a whole new problem
of Optimization issues to STEAM...

Linux is just the kernel.

I know what Linux is, i've been on it, & there isn't anything wrong with Linux,
but having to be pressured into moving away from Windows onto Linux, is
not what People want to do, because they find themselves being forced to
move there, & People need choices, People need Options, & they need to
be able to choose for themselves if Windows is having problems right now,
where would they like to go, let them choose... Not say your only choice
is Linux, because Linux is the only Market that fits your needs or wants...
It's not that People hate Linux, it's the whole Pressure of being pushed
around, & being moved from place to place that People don't like... So
they go, & try to avoid moving at all, they choose to stay on Windows 7,
they choose to stay on Windows 10, or Windows XP, or whatever it is
that they are framilure with, because they like these Environments,
& are comfortable in these Environments, & they want to fight the
System to allow them to keep being in these Environments, it is litterally
all about the pressure pushed on People that they don't like about this...

I know, Linux is a place Online where you can build your own OS,
you it's Customizable from the Kernel, but hey? A lot of People would
Agree on this with me, it's just an Environment not many People are
framilure with, & being pressured to move to it, is just bothersome
to many People... I myself have already been on Linux wanting to
Explore it myself, but at the end of the Day, I wouldn't want to give
up Windows myself to go there...

it's nothing other people are doing or pressuring people into doing

Other People are pressuring these People, because they tell you
to just Upgrade, they tell you to just give into it, & many other statements,
but the only People pressuring to leave Windows, is Microsoft & Google,
supposed other Markets that are pushing you to hate Windows Today...

Your being pressured by Microsoft & Google, by Mobile Phones,
your being pressured by other People, & many of this is like
just stop already, just back off, & let us decide what we want
to do with our own Computers, & let us decide for our own self,
what we want to do with our situation on Windows... Just stop...

Microsoft has even stated that your not being pressured into
anything, & that your not being forced into moving to Windows 11,
but however People need to remember how exactly the Update
System currently works on Windows, is a litteral hate machine
by many People... It pushes Updates onto you as a User that
just makes you want to toss your Computer out the Window,
where as in older Computers, you weren't bombarded by Updates
like you are Today... You weren't pressured into Update after
Update like you are now... Many People want to go back to
a time where Updates didn't destroy your Experiences on
the Computer, & go back to a time where Security wasn't the
driving force to create a rediculous ammounts of hate on
the Security of products... Your being told that you need more,
& more, & more Security Today, & it's like People just want
this to Stop...

If it was me, i'd rather Security disappears all together,
i've had enough of it, i'm sick of having to be bombarded
with Security issues constantly jammed down my back,
especially when I haven't even had 1 single solitary problem
that requires me to have Security at all... & you would think
that is because Security exists, but no it's not, it's because
i'm not dum enough to go out of my way, & get hit by
Security flaws around the Internet, I don't fall for scams,
& all these so called other problems People face Today,
I don't fall for them, because i've been on the Internet
long enough to understand how to avoid these issues myself...

Security is more of a problem, then an actual safety measure Today,
& People are litterally falling for Scams & other problems, just simply
because they are being way too lenient, sensitive, & reliant on their
Security to handle all their problems for them, they are being overly
pammpered to the point that they don't even know how to use
the Internet without running into Security Risks, they get Scammed
because they don't know that Security can't protect you from Stupidity,
they get Scammed, because they expect Security to protect them
from these Scams, & the truth is it does not, but they don't know that...




I am not sure what this fire tv stick is,

No, Amazon Fire Stick TV is a Mobile Based Service Generated to
hold like 1,000's of APP on it's Platform, the Fire Stick it's self is
not a Streaming Service, but the APP are for Streaming... However,
Amazon Fire Stick TV also hosts many Video Games for both the
Mobile Market & Triple AAA Games such as you find on STEAM...

But Amazon is claiming they want to change their Image moving
forwards, to leave the direction of a Mobile Portable Service, &
to move away from Google, & to move more in the direction of
Computers... They haven't done that yet, so no one knows what
that will look like once it's done, but this is what People have
been wanting from Streaming Platforms ever since Streaming
became a thing on the Market... To stay out of the Mobile Portable
Market, to stick to the more Computer & TV Market... But again
no one knows what this will look like once Amazon initiates
the changes, because they haven't done it yet, but supposedly
their Interface would be a focus on Change, & hopefully the
New Interface will be liked, because the current Interface sucks...
GuRu Asaki Nov 18, 2023 @ 10:19am 
And this is what People want other Companies to do on
as well, maybe, just maybe not everyone hates the Mobile Product,
or Mobile Industry, but the Mobile Portable Industry hasn't
done anything remotely successful in terms of convincing People
that it's a better product then what People already had before...

The Mobile Portable Industry hasn't done what it's been
said to market & try to do... All it's doing is creating a giant
head ache for People...

Windows 11, or STEAM, or both, is or are not becoming a
Multi-Purpose Platform, no, it's becoming a Mobile driven
aweful Political BS Platform driven to function on
Multiple Devices made to make you think it's a
Multi-Purpose Platform when it's really not...

And the whole idea that Upscaling looks as good as things
do without Upscaling, & possibly even better looking?
This has to stop, Upscaling doesn't look anywhere near
as good as a Resolution that isn't being Upscaled...

Taking a 1080P Picture & stretching it out to look like a 4K Product,
& performing heavy Editing to make it look 4K is one of the dumest
things i've ever heard of... There is a massive difference in Quality
that your missing out on, because your trying to trick your mind
into believing that a Product is completely different Product, when
you can clearly tell it's not... As proof of this?

Go onto the Computer & actually change your Desktop Scaling
from 300% down to 125% on 4K Displays or 4K TV's, the ammount
of Room on your Desktop that you are seeing compared to at
300%, is massively different, & that is just how much your missing
out on in Products like Video Games that have Upscaling in them,
it's like your being lied to about your Experience...

This Trend needs to die off, really, really badly...


Also, the push to be more like focused on the Global Market?
Doesn't mean your Product has to be the most Garbage
Platform out there, & appeal to the most scummiest of Environments?

There is a better way to appeal your Product to a more Global Market,
& trying to appeal to everyone is not the most easy thing you can do,
because not everyone will Agree on your New Image or Direction, or View,
& you can't force People into a Market like that...

Like I said, combining Mobile & Portable with Computers,
is going to have drawbacks that is going to Alienate Customers
of the Computer Market, & People are going to want to cause
trouble over this... Because they hate the Mobile Market...

To understand why People hate the Mobile Portable Market,
is that you have to think who is that Market actually driven
to appeal to? It's main focus is Social Networks, Streaming,
Mobile Games, & it's geared twards being a giant tracking
device, bloatware, & privacy concerns on your body, because
you cary it everywhere you go, & it creates a very anti-social
Environment & very toxic one that can be Controlled by
a Toxic Industry...

Young Kids don't care about Privacy or Security, they expect
Companies to handle it all for them, because they put too much
trust in the Products they are buying... So it's the perfect Market
for them...

The Computer & Console Markets hate the Mobile Portable
Market, because of this, People aren't deluded by these
problems, because they don't use this Environment...

Shoving all of this into the Computer Market is
where your hate comes from, where People want
to stay on Windows 7, & they trash & hate on the
Suppose Windows 11, & hate on STEAM right now,
& it's why many People call Windows 10 a bloatware
product they don't like...


I don't know, at the end of the Day, your not just trying to convince
one Person to Adjust to New Tech Today & New Environments,
you are trying to convince a lot of People, & if you actually listen
to the Comments these People are making... The majority if not
every one of them is clearly making the same exact argument,
Windows 7 Users all want to stay on Windows 7 for the same reason,
Windows 7 & Windows 10 Users all hate Windows 11 for the exact
same reason... And People on STEAM all have the same exact
reason for hating the STEAM Client VALVE is pushing out there Today,
every argument revolves around the idea that People just don't
like the New STEAM Client...

Telling these People they have no choice, but to adjust to this New Environment,
is exactly why People are giving a middle finger, & ditching it for a better one,
or straight up taking their Environment Offline, & refusing to Accept it,
because these People said "NO" & Don't want to let it go, they said "NO", & that is final...

Banning these People into Oblivion just because you Disagree with them,
isn't changing their minds about this anymore then it is Alienating them,
& it's only more then pushing these People to do what they are doing, even harder...

Their minds are already made up, & Alienating
them won't help your case to change theif minds at all,
it's just going to forcefully create a Negative Atmosphere
for everyone including yourselves, one that is completely
avoidable if these People are just left alone, & allowed
to be separated from the rest of the People, to be in
Completely separate Environments...

If STEAM won't provide that for People?
Then maybe GOG will...

If Streaming won't provide that for People?
Then maybe DVD's & BluRay's will...

If Windows won't provide that for People?
Then maybe Microsoft should be removed from the Picture...

If Mobile Phones won't provide that for People?
Then maybe going back to a House Phone will...

See what I am saying?

CHANGE isn't the problem, Good Change is something
People have no problem exploring, but Negative Change
is a problem, & People don't want to explore Negative Change,
& your deffinition of good verse negative isn't the same
as what other People actually define good & negative CHANGE...

Some People are just not as Openly willing to throw themselves
out there to all kinds of Threats the World has to Offer, just because
of CHANGE wants to rework the World around a New Environment
that is Openly Explored out there, to some People there are too
many threats, & not enough Positives to justify the New Environment
being a positive leap forwards... To them, there is no benefit to doing it...



So I don't know, People can argue this for all eternity about how
STEAM is going in the wrong Direction, or that it's gong in the
right Direction... Whatever? But at the end of the Day, whatever
happens?

The Chances are People will just end up quitting STEAM over this,
& the Disagreements are not ever going to get resolved, &
that is already happening now...

The Video Game Industry can either choose to not care,
or choose to care... People have made up their minds,
& they are likely not going to care anymore then the
actual Video Game Industry, because the Video Game
Industry has already made up their minds as well, &
if that is what is going to happen, then it is what it is,
& the Customers will just have to go into a different
Direction then the Video Game Industry is going, &
that is just what is going to have to happen...
GuRu Asaki Nov 18, 2023 @ 10:30am 
If you don't want to read the long double Post?

Just put it this way?

People are in Disagreement with where the direction of
the Mobile Market, the Computer Industry, STEAM, the
Movie Industry, & the Gaming Market is going...

Alienating these People is only further pushing them away,
& it's driving them to cut themselves off from Society,
driving them into Isolation, & driving them to want
their Environment even harder & harder...

I mean we could argue the whole Globalization &
the whole Multi-Purpose everything, & making
everything Equal all People want for an eternity,
& at the end of the Day, it's not worth Death Threats,
Murder, & Alienating Customers, & Report Abuse
against People... It's not worth it, but if we have
no choice, then that is what we have to do, is
argue this for an eternity, until something gives
on one side or another, & until then it's going to
be an Ugly mess filled with hate & Disgust...

But by all means? Just try to change our Mind?
Just try it... You can't do it, because it's stalemate...

This is the just of the two large Posts, I guess...
pieanear Nov 18, 2023 @ 5:59pm 
man ... u ever hear of the word...Garrulous ?
Elucidator Nov 18, 2023 @ 7:51pm 
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
If you don't want to read the long double Post?
I read everything and I think I get what you're saying.

It's like comparing a digital doorlock which automatically opens when electricity fails to an old fashioned hard steel doorlock.
The modern 'change' isn't the better doorlock.
Same with cameras in your house that record and send things to someone else's server from where you can watch on your phone what happens in your house (by logging into that server).
People can hack it and then turn you into their "big brother" show.

Turning things, video game shops, into social media platforms allows people to throw disturbing comments that can cause serious mental stress should they do this in repeated and pressured fashion.
Change isn't always good. There are many cases where changes made things worse rather than create a positive outcome.

That is what you're saying, right?
and that people shouldn't be relying on google as much
and that people are being pushed into places even though they have little say, which feels dehumanizing. You just have to 'obey' the pressure that the total picture of this 'encouragement' is pushing to.
and these 'ideas' companies throw, such as microsoft saying 'you have a choice' (not to go to windows 11 and pick another older windows OS) is unfortunately, effectively not true, because other companies help prevent people from smoothly being able to use the internet (google blocking older OSses, preventing you from emailing, youtubing... and next year using Steam.)
Microsoft also announced a stop date for windows 10, and you don't want to move OS around as much at all and learn how the system works every time since its troublesome for people to do. It's also troublesome to get around whatever 'dangers' or 'bothersome problems' a user may be faced with when they change their OS. So you feel pressured into Windows 11, which is the only OS that as of yet doesn't have a End of Service announcement, but this OS too has bothersome problems and possible new threats.

And you feel its the same for linux; it's much like windows 11 vastly different and people can abuse your lack of knowledge and experience on the new OS against you. You don't want to deal with that stress.

Changes aren't always better; that's what you're saying mostly from what I read.
but some changes are good, such as companies you trust cutting off dependancies such as google's platform, preventing them from forcing changes amazon doesn't want on its users.


---
Edit: just some advise:
There is the option of going for a "hardened" kernel based OS to get more security; as in... things running on the background you have no clue of or people being able to use stuff the kernel would otherwise allow.

Its also difficult to get social problems addressed at you if you have good privacy, so try to remain anonymous or keep sharing details about you to a minimum where you go.

Considering Steam, yeah-- people have been asking for a less bloated version of the client for years, as well as a native client (since they don't like chromium and googles decisions on it). There used to be the option of toggling -no-browser and -noreactlogin (I think?); people used these things combined with "Small Mode" to get a minimalistic client that doesn't report their online status.

Currently you can only stay logged out of Friends and Chat and set your profile private, but i did read Valve plans on making more privacy options so that you can public your profile better. You can't currently just leave something for 'just your friends' or 'specific friends' on your profile either and put other stuff public.

As for games, vote with your wallet and your time. Keep in mind tracking makes money, so don't play games that promote the stuff you don't like.
Just play stuff that doesn't contain that otherwise companies throwing analytical data will think you love that stuff simply because you play games that contain it.

(Statistics are very often creating bias + create false conclusions. This is why AI (deep learning) very often fails to make proper judgements when just statisctics are used.)

I hope you enjoy gaming where-ever you plan to go. Good Old Games does have good games as well. ;p And who knows, maybe Valve does change things in a way that feels welcoming to you at some point or-- idk.
Last edited by Elucidator; Nov 18, 2023 @ 8:18pm
Seven7 Nov 19, 2023 @ 1:57am 
TL;DR
Android = Linux core + Google GUI & infrastructure
SteamOS = Linux core + Valve GUI & infrastructure
Proton = Valve's fork of Wine
Steam Deck = Linux core + Valve GUI & infrastructure
most smartphones or smart TV = Linux core + branded GUI
if it were not for external segmentation, it would be clear to everyone that the world is ruled by Linux - most pieces of hardware run on one version or another of Linux, from smart watches to mainframes
and Apple has long been a BSD core (Unix) + Apple GUI & infrastructure

and contradistinguish the Big Evil, the Four Horsemen of the Software Apocalypse, which are Google, Amazon, Microsoft and Apple with the small evil - Valve? really, dude?

Too much worry about little things - games and mobile crap are not the main thing in life, take a breath, man, go outside, touch the grass.

P.S.: dude, graphomania is a disease, although I also like to let my thoughts wander, but your texts are like memorizing the entire text of War and Peace

people don’t like to read, the generation born with smartphones will not read beyond the header, and now is The Moment, they are replacing people, who read large texts and thought through their actions further than one step, those who created everything around us, and all these companies

just accept the fact that we have become old, and no one focuses on us anymore, especially since it’s easier to cheat young people into money.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die. :cleandino:
Kawazu Biscotti Nov 19, 2023 @ 4:01am 
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
[…] a STEAM that can work with
Linux or something New that isn't Windows... […]

Like, when I play Elite Dangerous, Guildwars2 or Elder Scolls Online or other games under Debian/Proton (most of the time) ? :slimetabby:
Elucidator Nov 19, 2023 @ 6:35am 
Originally posted by Kawazu Biscotti:
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
[…] a STEAM that can work with
Linux or something New that isn't Windows... […]

Like, when I play Elite Dangerous, Guildwars2 or Elder Scolls Online or other games under Debian/Proton (most of the time) ? :slimetabby:
What I noticed at least is that OP repeats the same statements across multiple threads.

And averagely, people tend to convince themselves of a reason, rather than be honest about a reason with themselves when it comes to things they have placed emotional value on. A lot of times when people speak negatively about needing to hop OS, they create justifications that may feel good or sound good in theory, but is inheritly flawed because it's not really the reason that they don't want to hop. Because it is made up as a secondary justification, they don't notice the flaws in their own logic.

Addressing those then makes them feel attacked, so you can't really figure out what the real reason is. In my guess is that they tend to just want to stay, because it feels good; they know how it works, it's familiar ground, etc.

Considering the familiarity: They're 100% certain on what works, what doesn't, what they can and cannot do. It feels secure.
However talking about feelings is embarassing so they come up with all kinds of justifications that they don't really care even that much about. However it may just be another smaller point of frustration.

Another wall in the way is the need for newer hardware to make sure things run smoothly for the next period. But claiming that means that they publicly look poor, which is a social risk.

I myself, am lazy, and I am comfortable with my current system; terrible at learning and fear I don't have the patience to. I also notice forgetfulness, focus problems, which makes hopping OS an experience that would possibly cause stress... and confront me with things I don't want to deal with, including reading stuff I am not interested in to fix issues, change settings, etc.
And so I am not fund of the idea of needing to change OS.
I also want a new PC with better hardware (a new desk as well, because my current one is extremely restrictive and fixed in height that is too low, etc.)
so there is a money wall there that ... has little to do with just installing an OS, but --- old pc, new pc, conflict. xD
idk when that new thing would arrive, could be soon so it feels like a waste, basically.
I am also not sure if I go full linux on the new one or deal with microsoft's nonsense again.
....
I expect microsoft to improve things for the desktop users and the user experience (less invasive stuff) because of how they failed the market the last decade and lost a lot of customers, so... maybe- but everything is a gamble I guess.

Anyway that is my reason as to why I am on an older OS PC. I don't need to write all my frustrations about the entire world in the same reasoning.
and yeah, people critique my reasoning; as if my feelings are wrong to experience sometimes, and sometimes just to say that they are wrong (nothing more).

but feelings are illogical so yeah--
and they do make people feel insecure, so sometimes you just need to ignore them, I get that, but still.

Anyway---
Steam deck is still an interesting option.
I'm actually interested in this PC; I mean I can still connect a keyboard to it and it doesn't take much space so yeah--

And the OP should know, a number of companies try to immitate a PC designed after the Switch. Lenovo for one has the Lenovo Legion Go, ASUS has the Asus ROG Ally,
Ayaneo 2S is another one, AYN Odin as well. There is Razer Edge too.

This market is growing because people have less space in their house, so they opt for smaller devices. They also want something they can carry around like a laptop, but then without hassle issues, a monitor in the way, etc.
GuRu Asaki Nov 19, 2023 @ 2:48pm 
And you feel its the same for linux


No, I don't have an issue with Linux, there was a few things I didn't like
about it, that I much prefer Windows over, especially Windows 7,
but for the most Part, i've used Linux already & don't have any issues
with it... One of my tendancies to wanna stay on Windows, was that
on Linux Mint I had a lot of Trouble setting up my Desktop, because
everytime I Shutdown Linux my Desktop would revert back to Default,
& it was annoying in a way that I just really liked Windows a lot more
over, & another issue Ihad was that the Desktop was very glitchy, things
weren't solidly on the Desktop & you don't have any of this to deal with
on Windows, there was also some Color Scheme issues I did not like
about Linux, where your color choices are really disappointing, but then
there is browsing the Internet which was like 1,000 times more comfortable
with Linux, because you don't have the anti-privacy, & all kinds of issues
from Microsoft Edge & Google Chrome being forced down your back with
browsing the Inernet on Linux, sooo a lot of that Pressure is gone...

What I said was, that other People might view Linux in the sense that your
like in a celler under attacked, & your only escape is through the Celler Door,
Linux being that door... & because your being attacked, your being pressured
to want out, but if you leave you are afraid what you'll find...

Kinda like how People might be pressured to leave Windows through
that door to Linux, but they might be worried that Linux won't be that
sorta OS they will find comfortable in once they arrive, their worried
what they might find...

So these People don't wanna leave Windows, they are comfortable with it,
Windows 7 has done really good with them, but Microsoft is causing some
trouble for them... So it's also the idea that all your stuff runs on Windows,
& not all of it runs on Linux, & if it doesn't run on Linux, your less likely going
to wanna Explore Linux...

Now, I don't know, I don't know what everyone is going through,
this is just how I looked at it, maybe this isn't the reason at all,
but that is what i'm getting from People...

As for Linux? I think what People really want is an Operating System
somewhat framilure with how Windows runs, but with some differences,
but they don't want Linux, because it & Windows does everything
backwards from each other... Their are a lot of differences, like when
I came on, I had Zero idea how to find simple Folders in Linux, like
your Pictures Folder, & Documents, & such... & they do exist on Linux,
but it takes a bit of time to find them, & then there is where your files
are downloaded & Installed to which is a bit of a maze to find,
where as Windows you could just simply open your Pictures & Documents
Folders straight from your Desktop as a link to them, & your Installed
Files on Windows is wherever you choose to Install them... Windows
has a lot more Freedom to Explore File Locations, but in Lnux, it's
a lot more Hidden through mazes & much of it is locked behind
closed doors... You can't just copy or paste, you can't just duplicate,
you can't just save work wherever you choose, where as Windows you can...



As for Steam? I wouldn't want it anywhere Near Linux,
but other People might want to Re-Install it on Linux if they
moved to Linux, which they don't seem to wanna do...

My issue is that many of the issues on Windows, is invading
Steam on Linux, sooo? I'd rather keep it out of Linux ECO System...
That is just me...




When someone says "NO" & doesn't like some kind of change, such
as the New STEAM Client issue... It is not about forcing other People
to Agree with you... It's just simply your trapped in an Environment
you don't support, you have money, & you have merchandise from
there, but the Environment is Alienating you out of the Environment,
because your forced to hate it, & forced to leave...

It's like saying you the store you buy stuff from, is no longer the
same Store anymore, so you basically go looking for another Store,
you can take your stuff with you as you please, no harm feelings,
but unlike a Store, Steam doesn't allow you to take your things
with you, it's basically the idea that your being kicked out of Steam,
& are being told you can't take your stuff with you...

It's not something People tend to be happy with...
You might feel very different about Steam, but many
People do feel like they are being Alienated, &
pressured out of Steam...

When Complaining doesn't work, when trying to reason doesn't work,
you try to be calm, & just wait it out to see if things get better, but
when things don't get better, & things just keep getting worst,
People then result to look for fixes to problems, but when you
can no longer do that, it's Steam is to a point that you can no longer
just keep your mouth shut anymore, & it's even worst when your
not the only one, & other People start speaking up as well...

VALVE just expects People to eventually let this go,
& just adapt along with everyone else over this, &
they are just letting things take it's course, but
People are not addapting, they are moving to
GOG, & ditching Online with STEAM, People are
going to Consoles, & People are not doing what
VALVE expects them to do, they are arguing with
VALVE over this, until they can no longer be ble to...

It's essentially that People who once loved an Environment
is now being forced to leave that Environment over Change
that they refuse to adapt to & adjust to, their basically being
Alienated over it, & some People just straight up refuse to
do either, but it comes down to People being Alienated over this...

This is exactly what the whole USA is going through Today,
& it's happening on STEAM as well, People say that VALVE
is a Private Company, or whatever, but they are doing no
different from what the USA is doing to it's People, VALVE
is a USA Company after all, it's not just VALVE, it's the supposed
Caming Industry as a whole, & USA Hollywood & Movie Industry, too...

And basically, no one can understand why People are sooo heartless
over this, why People are just this Digusting all of a sudden out of
the blue, & think that this is ok... These People are being treated
worst then People who are in Prison, & for what?

They don't understand why they are soo being poorly treated Today...
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