Non-Vulkan GPUs are abandoned. Proton doesn't even work with WINED3D

[guerrilla cat]

Most games don't even open and my GPU has the graphics capability to run those games.

Latest working version of proton is 4.11 in some games... FIX IT please.

[guerrilla cat]

I cannot understand. You shove a default setting down users' throats that are incompatible with most old machines (and which are still pretty decent to play with). Is steam proton not designed to enhance compatibility? Even gallium nine has better compatibility than wined3d on proton LOL.

it's impossible to use proton to play games without vulkan garbage, not everyone is rich and has a state-of-the-art graphic card and not everyone wants to play 2021 AAA modern trash games.

We just want to play some old games without crashes and without vulkan BS.
Just let us use wine d3d or add gallium nine as a viable alternative to vulkan. Also put a checker to not enable vulkan garbage in a stupid and indiscriminate way. We are tired of hacking to have something minimally functional. C'mon

[guerrilla cat]

INTEL HD 3000 is still pretty decent and run many games under ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Windows. There is a problem when there is no alternative for people that don't have a fck vulkan modern gpu and only wants to play some retro and oldschool RPG. Don't deny the problem, Steam are losing money here.

[guerrilla cat]

We just want to play oldschool games. Implement gallium nine (directx alternative) or fix the wined3d in recent proton, is it that hard to expand compatibility for gamers with older hardware?

[guerrilla cat]

Originally posted by 64K>32K>16K>8K>4K:

Originally posted by guerrilla cat:

INTEL HD 3000 is still pretty decent and run many games under ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Windows. There is a problem when there is no alternative for people that don't have a fck vulkan modern gpu and only wants to play some retro and oldschool RPG.

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Sorry but speaking from my personal experience you shouldn't be gaming on integrated graphics. The only exception would be high end chipsets like Intel Iris XE or the Apple M1 graphics. Even for potato standards the Intel HD 3000 is very weak and has been obsolete for years. If we wanna judge it by dedicated standards...nah not even gonna do it. Also a GPU from GeForce 600 or Radeon HD 8000 series are almost a decade old and they partially support Vulkan. Something more recent like GeForce 1000 and Radeon 500 series are starting to show their age too.

Nop, the intel hd 3000 works fine in Windows 10.

[guerrilla cat]

Most games that run under windows 10 don't even open on recent proton versions lol

[TS2]

Originally posted by guerrilla cat:

Originally posted by 64K>32K>16K>8K>4K:

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Sorry but speaking from my personal experience you shouldn't be gaming on integrated graphics. The only exception would be high end chipsets like Intel Iris XE or the Apple M1 graphics. Even for potato standards the Intel HD 3000 is very weak and has been obsolete for years. If we wanna judge it by dedicated standards...nah not even gonna do it. Also a GPU from GeForce 600 or Radeon HD 8000 series are almost a decade old and they partially support Vulkan. Something more recent like GeForce 1000 and Radeon 500 series are starting to show their age too.

Nop, the intel hd 3000 works fine in Windows 10.

In looking this up, there is an exact mention of how to enable the prior OpenGL renderer here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/releases/tag/proton-5.0-1

It requires setting the PROTON_USE_WINED3D option.

However, the reason why Windows 10 works for the Sandy Bridge CPU you have, albeit not with full feature level support and otherwise, is due to Microsoft not yet deprecating 32-bit only systems with that OS version, nor also deprecating DirectX 9 and 10 in dxdiag-listed API support.

While Proton may still work with custom settings, you are unable to take advantage of the overhead reductions seen in using DXVK due to chipset limitations, nor even the latest supported OpenGL version, and the system may not perform ideally on top of that. Of course, that was never a concern; just running things at all without spending any more hundreds of dollars on a new machine was enough.

Having the dedicated card or even a newer integrated chipset would be nice, though.

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It'll work if:

1) you use OpenGL instead Vulkan
2) you are running a game with no directx 11 support (games prior to 9 years ago)
3) if you disable DirectX 11 support on game
4) if you get a GPU that's less than 9 years old...

[rusty_dragon]

Originally posted by LinuxDrekNips:

Originally posted by guerrilla cat:

Nop, the intel hd 3000 works fine in Windows 10.

It works fine but not in the games you want to play. Either take my advice or deal with what you have.

Why so much gatekeeping?

[rusty_dragon]

Originally posted by guerrilla cat:

Most games don't even open and my GPU has the graphics capability to run those games.

Latest working version of proton is 4.11 in some games... FIX IT please.

Have you tried to use custom wine builds instead of Proton?

[guerrilla cat]

Originally posted by rusty_dragon:

Originally posted by guerrilla cat:

Most games don't even open and my GPU has the graphics capability to run those games.

Latest working version of proton is 4.11 in some games... FIX IT please.

Have you tried to use custom wine builds instead of Proton?

I'm not a dev...

[rusty_dragon]

Originally posted by guerrilla cat:

Originally posted by rusty_dragon:

Have you tried to use custom wine builds instead of Proton?

I'm not a dev...

Don't need to be a dev to do so. There are plenty communities that build one. Also Lutris is good for configuring WINE for games, if you want automated GUI menu to start with.

[rusty_dragon]

Also you might be mistaken with your news.
Have you tried to launch game with such launch option?

• If you want to change the runtime configuration for a specific game, you can use the Set Launch Options setting in the game's Properties dialog in the Steam client. For example, input an option below to use the OpenGL-based wined3d renderer instead of the Vulkan-based DXVK renderer.
  

  PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 %command%

Here you can find more options like this one.
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton

[gardian06]

Originally posted by LinuxDrekNips:

Originally posted by rusty_dragon:

Why so much gatekeeping?

I'm not the one gatekeeping, it's Intel, Nvidia, and AMD that are. And besides, integrated graphics are not ideal for gaming anyways. Even the Iris XE and M1 aren't exactly suitable due to their lack of optimizations, low and slow video memory (compared to recent dGPs), and having to depend and share resources with the CPU.

that is just the thing you are gatekeeping "people should not be playing games on integrated graphics" so what if the 'experience is inferior' it is what the person has, some people have laptops (the majority of which don't have dedicated graphics cards), and then with the current issue of obtaining a graphics card it is doubly ignorant.
gaming on integrated graphics can be fine sure you won't be on "incredible" graphics settings, but you can in many cases still play the game. the same way an older dedicated GPU will still need lower settings then a newer graphics card, and some AMD APU graphics can be better then even some nvidia 600-700 GPUs.

[guerrilla cat]

Originally posted by rusty_dragon:

Also you might be mistaken with your news.
Have you tried to launch game with such launch option?

• If you want to change the runtime configuration for a specific game, you can use the Set Launch Options setting in the game's Properties dialog in the Steam client. For example, input an option below to use the OpenGL-based wined3d renderer instead of the Vulkan-based DXVK renderer.
  

  PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 %command%

Here you can find more options like this one.
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton

This command does not work with recent versions of proton. The game doesn't even open... It only works in some games when this command is added with an old version of the proton...

[guerrilla cat]

Originally posted by gardian06:

Originally posted by LinuxDrekNips:

I'm not the one gatekeeping, it's Intel, Nvidia, and AMD that are. And besides, integrated graphics are not ideal for gaming anyways. Even the Iris XE and M1 aren't exactly suitable due to their lack of optimizations, low and slow video memory (compared to recent dGPs), and having to depend and share resources with the CPU.

that is just the thing you are gatekeeping "people should not be playing games on integrated graphics" so what if the 'experience is inferior' it is what the person has, some people have laptops (the majority of which don't have dedicated graphics cards), and then with the current issue of obtaining a graphics card it is doubly ignorant.
gaming on integrated graphics can be fine sure you won't be on "incredible" graphics settings, but you can in many cases still play the game. the same way an older dedicated GPU will still need lower settings then a newer graphics card, and some AMD APU graphics can be better then even some nvidia 600-700 GPUs.

These pampered ones think that everyone can afford luxury GPUs in times of scarcity. And a lot of people don't want new hardware as old hardware is often enough to play oldschool games. If it runs on windows, why doesn't it run on recent proton versions? Someone is being incompetent here.