How's about a Legacy/stripped-down client version of Steam?

[LC-DDM]

If you lot are going to remove stuff like -no-browser and -vgui you might as well have a client that only handles the Library and Friends without the store or all the 'we have social media at home' pages.

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Did they patch it again ? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[LC-DDM]

I wouldn't know. But it'd definitely be useful for people who run legacy systems and just want it for playing games.

[Commander Awesome]

I would be into it as well. I blocked updates on my client for that reason. Maybe now that I can´t buy games anymore, steam might do something? Because I rather don´t deal with the new client than being able to buy games..

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LC-DDM eredeti hozzászólása:

If you lot are going to remove stuff like -no-browser and -vgui you might as well have a client that only handles the Library and Friends without the store or all the 'we have social media at home' pages.

This will never happen. Steam's not going to maintain two versions of the steam client. People should stop asking for things that they know aren't possible.

[LC-DDM]

Pump the brakes on your pessimism, fuzzball, you make it sound like it'd be a workload and a half when I've already given suggestions that would facilitate its creation to start with - which are just that, suggestions.

[lsdninja]

The reality of the situation here is that Valve are always going to favour the people that make them money and the people with low end rigs just don’t make them money.

[Commander Awesome]

lsdninja eredeti hozzászólása:

The reality of the situation here is that Valve are always going to favour the people that make them money and the people with low end rigs just don’t make them money.

In my case it has nothing to do with what rig I´m playing here (can play most new games on pretty high settings). I´m not even one of those weirdos still using win7. I just hate garbage software and/or useless bloatware with a passion.

[LC-DDM]

lsdninja eredeti hozzászólása:

The reality of the situation here is that Valve are always going to favour the people that make them money and the people with low end rigs just don’t make them money.

Unfortunate, but not necessarily an unrealistic answer, for better or for worse. GOG notwithstanding - there's oodles of games that have ran in older machines before. Purists are obviously going to get retail releases for these, but for those who've sunk their costs in Steam - again, for better or for worse - there's no other alternative than toughing it out or resort to less-than-light-sided means in order to keep their Steam games running on a machine no longer fit to operate such.

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LC-DDM eredeti hozzászólása:

Pump the brakes on your pessimism, fuzzball, you make it sound like it'd be a workload and a half when I've already given suggestions that would facilitate its creation to start with - which are just that, suggestions.

First the "fuzzball" comment is pretty rude, that's uncalled for. Secondly we have history to go by here with the history of the company that is Valve. I think perhaps you may be somewhat new to Steam. For those of us that have used steam for 15+ years we know how this company works. There have been multiple significant updates to Steam over the years since the early days. Every single time it happens Valve / Steam have never gone backwards to an older version. They have never offered anyone any official ability to use any older version officially. Therefore because of how they operated in the past we can conclude that they also will not give us any way to run any older version of Steam this time either. Also they will not go backwards on the steam client this time either. It doesn't matter what people ask for in the the forums or how many forum threads are created about it. They just don't care. They will force the new version on us and we will have to either use it or stop using Steam.

Exactly like I said above: There will be no legacy version of Steam. There will be no way to use any older version of Steam. It's either use the current version or nothing with this company. I understand you don't like that but it's just how they operate. There's no need to be rude to others when they share information with you. :(

[Burner]

I would be fine with no legacy version of steam, if the new version wasn't a chromium memory hogging piece of ♥♥♥♥

[Elucidator]

In about 2 months, a number of OSses stop being supported. Not just that, Steam decided to prevent the client from running on said OS, which is.... unique.
Most companies, even free software such as OBS still have a version available older OSses can use. It doesn't cost a company more dollars to keep a version around that doesn't require any maintenance.
Even if it disables achievements, friendslist and what's not, I'd be fine with it. All I need steam for is to pass the DRM check practically. Even installing feels surplus but I suppose it could be used for that as well (and keeping a game updated). I can buy games from the website and use other surplus features there.
And that same legacy client could very well be used to track time playing a specific game.
Like, I don't need more features on a client than that basically.

Here's what it needs:
-installing packages (updates) (packages being games, game patches, workshop, etc.)
-checking validity
-drm pass
-having a list of games (installed and available)

The rest is literally surplus, yes including steam cloud.
uploading screenshots? no need.
like, you can easily make something like that. And yes no need for chromium, no need for an overlay, etc.

Would such a client require updates? No.

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Elucidator eredeti hozzászólása:

In about 2 months, a number of OSses stop being supported. Not just that, Steam decided to prevent the client from running on said OS, which is.... unique.
Most companies, even free software such as OBS still have a version available older OSses can use. It doesn't cost a company more dollars to keep a version around that doesn't require any maintenance.
Even if it disables achievements, friendslist and what's not, I'd be fine with it. All I need steam for is to pass the DRM check practically. Even installing feels surplus but I suppose it could be used for that as well (and keeping a game updated). I can buy games from the website and use other surplus features there.
And that same legacy client could very well be used to track time playing a specific game.
Like, I don't need more features on a client than that basically.

Here's what it needs:
-installing packages (updates) (packages being games, game patches, workshop, etc.)
-checking validity
-drm pass
-having a list of games (installed and available)

The rest is literally surplus, yes including steam cloud.
uploading screenshots? no need.
like, you can easily make something like that. And yes no need for chromium, no need for an overlay, etc.

Would such a client require updates? No.

It's not unique. Many other apps that require internet connectivity to function stopped supporting older OS's. Most web browsers don't support Windows XP or Windows Vista anymore for example. Also Valve did not make a "Legacy" version of the steam client when they dropped support for (and stopped being able to run the client on) Windows XP & Windows Vista years ago. They didn't do it then. They won't do it now. There is never going to be a "Legacy" version of the steam client. Everyone will have to update their OS to either Windows 10 or Windows 11 to continue using Steam.

[Elucidator]

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not unique. Many other apps that require internet connectivity to function stopped supporting older OS's. Most web browsers don't support Windows XP or Windows Vista anymore for example. Also Valve did not make a "Legacy" version of the steam client when they dropped support for (and stopped being able to run the client on) Windows XP & Windows Vista years ago. They didn't do it then. They won't do it now. There is never going to be a "Legacy" version of the steam client. Everyone will have to update their OS to either Windows 10 or Windows 11 to continue using Steam.

I see, so in other words, I cannot connect to any gopher hole?
I cannot use an old FTP client? I cannot browse the internet on an older version of firefox?
I cannot download drivers for older hardware? I cannot download legacy drivers of current hardware and still use Shader Precaching?
This page doesn't exist for example? https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/amd-radeon-hd-8000-series-oem/amd-radeon-hd-8870
etc.

>many webbrowsers.
Funny, because many webbrowsers are chromium. They are all chromium. Google.
This includes brave, opera, edge, etc.
Many browsers are all chromium based, and many "apps" omg that you use that term, too are chromium based.
All of them generate files with data about you inside Appdata/Local (the folder is called userdata, look how many copies they made of that folder)
Electron, webkit, etc. all of those foundations run chromium. Chromium is everywhere.
especially if you use a chromebook.

and it's really google here, one company. One exclusive group.

"There is never going to be a legacy version" unless Valve decides to do it anyway. Now is a good time to change their stance on locking people out and not providing a bloatfree tracking free client; stop complaining about people wanting such.

Valve doesn't even need this whole "omg, my os is no longer supported" argument. I and many others complained about the drop of "-no-browser" and "stop-using-react-login-cringe" commands
We then too, not knowing the os would be dropped, asked for a Native based client, a legacy client if you will.

Like, there are too many reasons and you are focussed on the OS drop problem, which is a problem, but I don't care much about it, it just puts a lot of pressure on people to go in on the forums and ask even more severely about a legacy client possibility.
especially with that timer ticking there....

but anyway;
"Updating your OS" isn't the problem. It's replacing your entire computer and breaking the compatibility of games you'd like to play in the process due to updated APIs, code libraries, support, etc.

For example I know with 100% certainty that I cannot run Momodora III, a game sold on Steam, on windows 11.

Buying a new machine, costs... guess what?
If you live over here, the latest graphics card costs 3000 euroes. (no joke, it's still inflated as ... )
So we need to go for a low end one, which is already between 400~500 euroes.
Now the rich have that money, but most dont.

Another point is that the rich have "Room", place to put things down into.
I need to buy another machine, I have one that just takes in space, which is bothersome when you have very little of it.

So it goes on the garbage pile, which means E-Waste.
nothing broke though.
Why, because greed, really. Google wants pennies. Obeying google isn't going to solve anything, it will cause problems. Such a problem is DRM for the Internet. (look it up). You get locked out of websites when your hardware doesn't match a requirement, etc.
Google is trying to turn the internet into a market they control.

Why would i use a browser that stops supporting the ability to visit every site anyway? Palemoon will solve everything hopefully, otherwise I'll just stick to firefox or its forks.

---Let me clarify on what is unique:
what is unique is that Steam will stop running on the OS, despite there being no change that would actually break compatibility and that there is no alternative to go back to.
Take OBS for example: You cannot use it on an older OS, but you can download an older version of OBS and use that.
People normally have a place where they can go to as an alternative to get the same basic functions.

Also, considering the OS drop thing, we can just go to Linux at any time, like literally. People are lazy yes, but if we really need the Steam Client that badly we'll move.
However, a number of those on old machines will do other things since they don't require relearning your machine.

but for now, only Steam and I mean literally only Steam is prevented from running. Not Epic Games, not the Microsoft Launcher, not minecraft, not--- etc. Just Steam. We can still use Origin, GoG, Nexon, ... insert whatever game provider launcher and it will likely run.
A couple of exceptions to this are Overwolf (which is an electron app, google, same reason as Steam), but it's a mod-client and has no games on its own + we can do without. (we can direct download / install mods, no need for the tracker bloat)
Twitch (which is for videosharing/chatting)... also surplus features.
I don't know what else honestly. Discord will still work (and yes, they have their own games now), etc.

[Elucidator]

Windows 10 is gone next year, same issue.
The same answer can be given to "You can just install Arch Linux".
but either way replacing it must be done for upgrade reasons and more needy hardware requirements anyway; but it's a bit early. I don't use windows 7 sigh.
Once windows 10 stops all you have left is windows 11 on the microsoft OS family.
although that said, the other option is there 'cloud based OS' that is codenamed Next Valley.
always-online-drm xd
never mind I guess, it's just very anti gamer.

Yes, I don't need a new pc if I hop over, but I need one anyway because google + DRM for the Internet plans. Like even if it gets rejected now, much like Manifest V3 people will submit to it and then the chain reaction happens unfortunately.

Anyway, not the point. The point was throwing more on the stack of reasons that make a legacy client wanted.

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Elucidator eredeti hozzászólása:

Windows 10 is gone next year, same issue.

No it's not. Windows 10 will be supported until at least Jan 13'th 2032 for LTSC channels and October 14'th, 2025 for desktop users. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history?useskin=vector#Channels