Is Steam Achievement Manager (SAM) safe to use?

[The Herta]

Because i want to unlock some of online achievements from a dead game (offline server).

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 AbedsBrother：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Again this is only partly true.

It is those things, but it won't get you banned fro the reasons I've just explained.

There are Zero cases of this happening also.

Ease up crunchy. There is a risk, and I outlined it. Never said it happened. I said it could happen, but there's no way to know if / when it will happen, or if it ever will.

Except for one, I wasn't diagreeing with you entirely, I'm perfectly at ease and always am.

All I was doing was exlpaining FACT.

They can't ban for it the same reason they can't ban for single player games cheats.

Also in all the years SAM has been around (I've been here over ten years) it has NEVER once had a single case of anyone getting banned or action because of it. There were cases where the devs behind Payday 2 did some actions because of acheievement cheating but it QUICKLY stopped and it most likely was due to realisizng they'd be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ legally.

The evidence is quite clear on this.

EVERYTHING is a risk, but this is how it is. I'll always present fact and evidence how it is because it helsp everyne.

[Jamebonds1]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Jamebonds1：

Actually, you have no reason to started arguing with me. What I said in the first comment is correct.

Not going round again but for clarity to others you started by saying in response to invoking VAC, that SAM was a risk. You were vague and it took ages to wring out of you that you weren't referring to VAC. Then you went to "it's just a risk" which I AGREED TO.

But you still went arguing for no good reason and then later said you didn't understand the language anyway.

So cut that out again.

The fact remains it is ever bit as safe for security reasona as a Steam game - there have never been any exploits or maklware there.

As far as being banned though, nope, there have been no cases shown. And again there's a legal point to this too,.

The evidence is clear on that one.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong as followed. I think you are confused.

引用自 Jamebonds1：

Doesn't mean it is not without a risk, but I wouldn't recommend it.

This part I didn't said it is a risk in the first place. It mean possibly.

引用自 Jamebonds1：

If you modified anything where it is being monitored, then it will automatically vacban you.

This is unrelated to the op, but that is still true for VAC protected and modified restriction files.

[cinedine]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Which is just as well I said that isn't it?

The point is it IS as safe as any other game on Steam in the context of malware (which is what jamebonds1 is talking about - scroll back to check).

Of course it's "use at your own risk" in the sense that it isn't offical.

But you won't get banned for it because it would be legally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, frankl.y We've been trhough this many times.

The simple reason is if you don't affect other players you won't be banned. Again this is why you can be banned online for multiplayer games but not for single player that has zero online presence.

Furthermore , as we've said before the occasions where this did happen in the past "like Payday 2) were QUICKLY stopped.

The fact remains SAM has been around years and loads use it and there is not a single case or evidence of anyone getting banned. Period.

No it's very much not what you said. You said it's as safe as buying a game on Steam. It's not. Period.

You can get banned for it. Two studios did so. Period.
It was not "QUICKLY stopped" and it was not stopped for "legal reasons". Yes, we have been over it many times. You utterly fail to acknowledge that it was going on for years in both games and they only stopped because it became unfeasible vetting the community. Quite a feat for someone who claims they want to fight myths on the forum.
And the ridiculousness of actually acknowledging that people DID get banned for using it while stating we have no evidence that people did got banned over using it ... Like do you even know what you are writing yourself?
There is absolutely no legal repercussion for a studio to ban you from the game either. Dead By Daylight had modifying achievement data - including resetting them - even in their TOS. If you are breaking the terms of the license, your license gets revoked. Sure as eggs is eggs. Cut and dried contract law.

It also DOES affect other people. Another fact you utterly fail to acknowledge. We have been over this many times as well. You because you lack the empathy or understanding of how it possible can doesn't mean it doesn't do.
Here is the short version: people waste their life going after achievements that clearly show someone has unlocked but are infact broken and unobtainable. Some might get angry about not having it unlock on them. How is this any different from someone playing against a cheater in MP? Or cheating the leaderboards. It isn't. Both derive you of joy and a sense of accomplishment.
BTW I have never seen anybody getting banned over cheating on leaderboards either. Do you claim that's perfectly fine with Valve and anybody should just do it if they can't get into the top 100 by their own merits?

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 cinedine：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Which is just as well I said that isn't it?

The point is it IS as safe as any other game on Steam in the context of malware (which is what jamebonds1 is talking about - scroll back to check).

Of course it's "use at your own risk" in the sense that it isn't offical.

But you won't get banned for it because it would be legally a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, frankl.y We've been trhough this many times.

The simple reason is if you don't affect other players you won't be banned. Again this is why you can be banned online for multiplayer games but not for single player that has zero online presence.

Furthermore , as we've said before the occasions where this did happen in the past "like Payday 2) were QUICKLY stopped.

The fact remains SAM has been around years and loads use it and there is not a single case or evidence of anyone getting banned. Period.

No it's very much not what you said. You said it's as safe as buying a game on Steam. It's not. Period.

You can get banned for it. Two studios did so. Period.
It was not "QUICKLY stopped" and it was not stopped for "legal reasons". Yes, we have been over it many times. You utterly fail to acknowledge that it was going on for years in both games and they only stopped because it became unfeasible vetting the community. Quite a feat for someone who claims they want to fight myths on the forum.
And the ridiculousness of actually acknowledging that people DID get banned for using it while stating we have no evidence that people did got banned over using it ... Like do you even know what you are writing yourself?
There is absolutely no legal repercussion for a studio to ban you from the game either. Dead By Daylight had modifying achievement data - including resetting them - even in their TOS. If you are breaking the terms of the license, your license gets revoked. Sure as eggs is eggs. Cut and dried contract law.

It also DOES affect other people. Another fact you utterly fail to acknowledge. We have been over this many times as well. You because you lack the empathy or understanding of how it possible can doesn't mean it doesn't do.
Here is the short version: people waste their life going after achievements that clearly show someone has unlocked but are infact broken and unobtainable. Some might get angry about not having it unlock on them. How is this any different from someone playing against a cheater in MP? Or cheating the leaderboards. It isn't. Both derive you of joy and a sense of accomplishment.
BTW I have never seen anybody getting banned over cheating on leaderboards either. Do you claim that's perfectly fine with Valve and anybody should just do it if they can't get into the top 100 by their own merits?

Two studios got banned for it?

Well that's not what I said is it? Since when are studios cheating in games? If you're talking achievement spamming games that's not even remotely the asme things. I'd like to see evidence that this claim matches please.

Also again it IS as safe as buying a game on Steam.

Again unless you present evidence this has not happened apart from that weird expample which Payday 2 devs had to qwuickly revert from.

The fact remains that on these forums over ten years there hasn't been a single case.

But if I'm wrong have at your evidence.

I HAVE seen people banned from leaderboard for cheating on leeaderboards.

THe point to remember here is that the way this works is that you can only ban for the thing specific to your action. You CANNOT ban your acces from a game for instance for acheievement cheating. You'd get banned from WHAT you cheated in.

So people do get bnanned from leaderboard cheats.

I've seen it happen in Dungeon Defenders, Zombie Driver, and a fair few other games I've noticed.

[cinedine]

Why am I even wasting my time ... either you are deliberately obstruse or you really can't grasp what I am writing. Either way, there is no point continuing on this level.

[Jamebonds1]

^^^ I agree with cinedine, crunchyfrog. Maybe it is just you that you don't like the way we write.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Jamebonds1：

^^^ I agree with cinedine, crunchyfrog. Maybe it is just you that you don't like the way we write.

No maybe it's evidence that I've provided.

My claims stand until you provide better evidence. That's just how reality works.

Apart from that small issue where some people got actioned by Starbreeze for Payday 2 achievement cheating, it was qwuickly reversed, and there have been ZERO other instances of ANY game devs doing anything like this in over 10 years of me being here. In fact since achievments began on games here.

Zero. You get that? That's quite a pretty straighforward point.

[Jamebonds1]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Jamebonds1：

^^^ I agree with cinedine, crunchyfrog. Maybe it is just you that you don't like the way we write.

No maybe it's evidence that I've provided.

My claims stand until you provide better evidence. That's just how reality works.

Apart from that small issue where some people got actioned by Starbreeze for Payday 2 achievement cheating, it was qwuickly reversed, and there have been ZERO other instances of ANY game devs doing anything like this in over 10 years of me being here. In fact since achievments began on games here.

Zero. You get that? That's quite a pretty straighforward point.

Again, maybe it is just you who is misunderstand and dislike my English write.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Jamebonds1：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

No maybe it's evidence that I've provided.

My claims stand until you provide better evidence. That's just how reality works.

Apart from that small issue where some people got actioned by Starbreeze for Payday 2 achievement cheating, it was qwuickly reversed, and there have been ZERO other instances of ANY game devs doing anything like this in over 10 years of me being here. In fact since achievments began on games here.

Zero. You get that? That's quite a pretty straighforward point.

Again, maybe it is just you who is misunderstand and dislike my English write.

Stop strawmanning again.
I have no issue with the way you write. I have issue with the fact you don't understand things, admit that then still disagree which is a logical fallacy.

[Jamebonds1]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Jamebonds1：

Again, maybe it is just you who is misunderstand and dislike my English write.

Stop strawmanning again.
I have no issue with the way you write. I have issue with the fact you don't understand things, admit that then still disagree which is a logical fallacy.

And I answered your question again and again, or may it is your comment that make it hard for me to understanding.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Jamebonds1：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Stop strawmanning again.
I have no issue with the way you write. I have issue with the fact you don't understand things, admit that then still disagree which is a logical fallacy.

And I answered your question again and again, or may it is your comment that make it hard for me to understanding.

Maybe so but here's the thing. If you don't understand something you CANNOT make an effective argument against it.

That's the problem here. YOu admit you don't understand.

But then you make stuff up - like me not understanding you. That just isn't true.

I only have one problem here - that if you make a claim you need to provide evidence for it. And when I provide evidence for a claim, you don't get to go "nah" and just leave it at that. If you disagree you provide BETTER evidence to counter it.

This is just how reality works.

[Jamebonds1]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Jamebonds1：

And I answered your question again and again, or may it is your comment that make it hard for me to understanding.

Maybe so but here's the thing. If you don't understand something you CANNOT make an effective argument against it.

That's the problem here. YOu admit you don't understand.

But then you make stuff up - like me not understanding you. That just isn't true.

I only have one problem here - that if you make a claim you need to provide evidence for it. And when I provide evidence for a claim, you don't get to go "nah" and just leave it at that. If you disagree you provide BETTER evidence to counter it.

This is just how reality works.

That is not my responsible and you haven't proved any. I'm not the one that calling you out.

[crunchyfrog]

引用自 Jamebonds1：

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Maybe so but here's the thing. If you don't understand something you CANNOT make an effective argument against it.

That's the problem here. YOu admit you don't understand.

But then you make stuff up - like me not understanding you. That just isn't true.

I only have one problem here - that if you make a claim you need to provide evidence for it. And when I provide evidence for a claim, you don't get to go "nah" and just leave it at that. If you disagree you provide BETTER evidence to counter it.

This is just how reality works.

That is not my responsible and you haven't proved any. I'm not the one that calling you out.

Which doesn't make it right. Evidence is the only thing that prove this, That's what you can't escpae.

I provided evidence for my claims. You just chose to ignore it.

[Jamebonds1]

引用自 crunchyfrog：

引用自 Jamebonds1：

That is not my responsible and you haven't proved any. I'm not the one that calling you out.

Which doesn't make it right. Evidence is the only thing that prove this, That's what you can't escpae.

I provided evidence for my claims. You just chose to ignore it.

Which you haven't proved any.

Have you even reread my first comment? This is where you called me out even if I'm correct. That is my issue with your. You just want perfect answers from me which I can't give you.

引用自 Jamebonds1：

If you modified anything where it is being monitored, then it will automatically vacban you.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

引用自 Jamebonds1：

引用自 Jamebonds1：

Doesn't mean it is not without a risk, but I wouldn't recommend it. If you modified anything where it is being monitored, then it will automatically vacban you.

引用自 crunchyfrog：

Which doesn't make it right. Evidence is the only thing that prove this, That's what you can't escpae.

I provided evidence for my claims. You just chose to ignore it.

Which you haven't proved any.

Have you even reread my first comment? This is where you called me out even if I'm correct. That is my issue with your. You just want perfect answers from me which I can't give you.

引用自 Jamebonds1：

If you modified anything where it is being monitored, then it will automatically vacban you.

So you want evidence but also refuse to provide evidence? At this points should just lock this cluster.