Unpopular opinion - Retro Shooters are losing their nostalgic value

[Fat Angus]

I've been forced to edit this post and have rephrased the post title, because I am tired of being harassed by nitpickers and pedantic types.

Firstly, I am well aware that I don't have to buy anything I don't like. I am aware that there are some excellent retro shooters out there right now. I'm not calling for them to stop. I am merely looking at this from a market perspective. I am saying this - do you think that the large selection of retro shooters out there is affecting the overall quality of nostalgia-based games, and shooters in general? Do you think their novelty is wearing off, even a bit? Yes? No? Maybe?

[Crazy Tiger]

As long as there are people interested in those games, they haven't "outstayed their welcome". Keep in mind, OP, that you not being interested in them has little meaning.

People who like them will buy and play them. People who don't are free to ignore them.

[Start_Running]

Profile の投稿を引用：

Retro or not, most games are always trash. It was always like this. Same thing with movies.

STurgeon's rule. 80$ of everything is garbage. Everyone will agree on that. It's what the good 20% is that divisions arise.

[rawWwRrr]

Feels like a troll post.

One argument that always stands out to me when opinions about a certain subset of games comes is:

Fat Angus の投稿を引用：

it gets repetitive, boring,

And yet those that bring this argument often have those two to three games that they dump hundreds to thousands of hours into, playing the same exact game with the same exact objectives with the same exact mechanics, graphics, weapons, prizes, etc. But it's those other games that are all the same that are repetitive and boring.

I see the same argument for SP vs MP games. People don't want games that are SP only because "who wants to play the same campaign over and over again? Boring." Well how is playing the same MP maps over and over again any different?

And it's fine that you have that opinion. I play games that I like, you play games you like, but what's the point of grabbing the soapbox and declaring it to the masses?

"YOUR GAMES SUCK!"

Ok? So, don't play them, then, I guess. It's not like we're short on titles or different genres, today. Play what you want and don't worry about what others are playing.

[Yzal]

We are already entering the retro immersive sim era. With things like Gloomwood, Cruelty Squad, Core Decay, etc.

[sfnhltb]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Profile の投稿を引用：

Retro or not, most games are always trash. It was always like this. Same thing with movies.

STurgeon's rule. 80$ of everything is garbage. Everyone will agree on that. It's what the good 20% is that divisions arise.

Well, in the era of self publishing, blogs and the like it is probably more like at least 99% of everything is crap - after all the more content there is, the less time you can spend on each item unless you massively cull down your interests and be more selective, or it will result it having a massive backlog of things you plan to read/watch/play but never get around to. But the rule still applies that no one will ever agree on which stuff is good. And egotistical and self centred people will continue demanding the stuff they don't like shouldn't exist in the first place.

[Yzal]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

STurgeon's rule. 80$ of everything is garbage. Everyone will agree on that. It's what the good 20% is that divisions arise.

Even back in the day; people remember Wolfenstein 3d, Doom, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Dark Forces, RoTT, etc yet nobody remembers all the garbage that came out in that era, a lot of them being no more that cashgrabs trying to ride the Doom Clone wave.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

Nope.

Or at least this is normal. ALL genres and ALL times this sort of thing has happened and will continue to happen. It's how markets work.

If something gets popular people will copy it. There is literally no market this does not apply to.

The thing you seem to be ignoring is this - DOES IT SELL?

And it would seem yes, it does. And while that happens they will continue to be made.

Not just this, but also "Do people want to make these games?"

Because some games exist not because they'll sell well but because the devs just really wanted to make them.

[BloodShed]

rawWwRrr の投稿を引用：

Feels like a troll post.

One argument that always stands out to me when opinions about a certain subset of games comes is:

Fat Angus の投稿を引用：

it gets repetitive, boring,

And yet those that bring this argument often have those two to three games that they dump hundreds to thousands of hours into, playing the same exact game with the same exact objectives with the same exact mechanics, graphics, weapons, prizes, etc. But it's those other games that are all the same that are repetitive and boring.

OP is either Trolling or a hypocrite.

Have a look in his post history.
Posted in both Cultic and Selaco forums (both retro FPS (both good btw)) before making this thread.

[Muppet among Puppets]

Quint the Alligator Snapper の投稿を引用：

crunchyfrog の投稿を引用：

Nope.

Or at least this is normal. ALL genres and ALL times this sort of thing has happened and will continue to happen. It's how markets work.

If something gets popular people will copy it. There is literally no market this does not apply to.

The thing you seem to be ignoring is this - DOES IT SELL?

And it would seem yes, it does. And while that happens they will continue to be made.

Not just this, but also "Do people want to make these games?"

Because some games exist not because they'll sell well but because the devs just really wanted to make them.

Like the game where "people pretend to be planes"...... Of course it didnt work, multiplayer only. But there is something touching in this idea.

[crunchyfrog]

rawWwRrr の投稿を引用：

Feels like a troll post.

One argument that always stands out to me when opinions about a certain subset of games comes is:

Fat Angus の投稿を引用：

it gets repetitive, boring,

And yet those that bring this argument often have those two to three games that they dump hundreds to thousands of hours into, playing the same exact game with the same exact objectives with the same exact mechanics, graphics, weapons, prizes, etc. But it's those other games that are all the same that are repetitive and boring.

I see the same argument for SP vs MP games. People don't want games that are SP only because "who wants to play the same campaign over and over again? Boring." Well how is playing the same MP maps over and over again any different?

And it's fine that you have that opinion. I play games that I like, you play games you like, but what's the point of grabbing the soapbox and declaring it to the masses?

"YOUR GAMES SUCK!"

Ok? So, don't play them, then, I guess. It's not like we're short on titles or different genres, today. Play what you want and don't worry about what others are playing.

NBah I doubt it's a troll post. Just sounds like the usual lacking in empathy naivety or ignorance.

In other words, their opinions are the RIGHT one and everyone esle doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Fat Angus]

BloodShed の投稿を引用：

rawWwRrr の投稿を引用：

Feels like a troll post.

One argument that always stands out to me when opinions about a certain subset of games comes is:

And yet those that bring this argument often have those two to three games that they dump hundreds to thousands of hours into, playing the same exact game with the same exact objectives with the same exact mechanics, graphics, weapons, prizes, etc. But it's those other games that are all the same that are repetitive and boring.

OP is either Trolling or a hypocrite.

Have a look in his post history.
Posted in both Cultic and Selaco forums (both retro FPS (both good btw)) before making this thread.

I never said that weren't any good retro shooters out there, so stop being disingenuous about my position. I'm saying the bulk of them are rather average at best or are overdoing that exaggerated pixelated aesthetic that they have to them. There are some very promising games in the works, I'm acknowledging that fact, but every time I trawl through lists of retro shooters it seems at times that in order to find something worth wishlisting, it really boils down to separating the proverbial wheat from the chaff. It's like modern takes on 80s synth-pop music that tries to look and feel 80s - there's certainly some admiration to be had in the attempt but with a few exceptions, the end result often leaves a lot to be desired. I'm saying there's too much creative stagnation with a lot of retro shooters.


And of course, if I don't like it, I won't buy it, but if you get upset by me exercising my right to put my two cents in over something that has zero bearing on your gaming choices, then you are the one with a problem, not me.

[ReBoot]

Fat Angus の投稿を引用：

BloodShed の投稿を引用：

OP is either Trolling or a hypocrite.

Have a look in his post history.
Posted in both Cultic and Selaco forums (both retro FPS (both good btw)) before making this thread.

I never said that weren't any good retro shooters out there, so stop being disingenuous about my position. I'm saying the bulk of them are rather average at best or are overdoing that exaggerated pixelated aesthetic that they have to them. There are some very promising games in the works, I'm acknowledging that fact, but every time I trawl through lists of retro shooters it seems at times that in order to find something worth wishlisting, it really boils down to separating the proverbial wheat from the chaff. It's like modern takes on 80s synth-pop music that tries to look and feel 80s - there's certainly some admiration to be had in the attempt but with a few exceptions, the end result often leaves a lot to be desired. I'm saying there's too much creative stagnation with a lot of retro shooters.


And of course, if I don't like it, I won't buy it, but if you get upset by me exercising my right to put my two cents in over something that has zero bearing on your gaming choices, then you are the one with a problem, not me.

This is true but that's true for all genres! Most of what's there is crap. That's true for retro shooters, that's true for modern shooters, that's true for retro RPGs, that's true for modern RPGs, you get the idea.

Seriously, what creative stagnation? I tried 5 retro or retro-inspired demos for the next fest. All FPS, all different to the point of the skills I've just honed in one royally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ me in the next. Hell, we've reached a point where there's 2 distinct schools of retro shooters by now which only got in common them being "retro" and "shooter" with the rest of the gameplay being rather vastly completely different. But even shooters from the same school don't play the same. The good ones anyway, if you chose to stick to that sea of uncreative same-ness, that's your choice. There is great & varied retro shooters, I suggest you actually check them out before claiming there's no creativity.

Well, either that or you're soo not into shooters, you don't see all the not-so-subtile differences.

[crunchyfrog]

Fat Angus の投稿を引用：

BloodShed の投稿を引用：

OP is either Trolling or a hypocrite.

Have a look in his post history.
Posted in both Cultic and Selaco forums (both retro FPS (both good btw)) before making this thread.

I never said that weren't any good retro shooters out there, so stop being disingenuous about my position. I'm saying the bulk of them are rather average at best or are overdoing that exaggerated pixelated aesthetic that they have to them. There are some very promising games in the works, I'm acknowledging that fact, but every time I trawl through lists of retro shooters it seems at times that in order to find something worth wishlisting, it really boils down to separating the proverbial wheat from the chaff. It's like modern takes on 80s synth-pop music that tries to look and feel 80s - there's certainly some admiration to be had in the attempt but with a few exceptions, the end result often leaves a lot to be desired. I'm saying there's too much creative stagnation with a lot of retro shooters.


And of course, if I don't like it, I won't buy it, but if you get upset by me exercising my right to put my two cents in over something that has zero bearing on your gaming choices, then you are the one with a problem, not me.

Ah then in that case you're just wrong.

The problem you're nailing onto "boomer shooters" here applies to EVERY SINGLE GAME GENRE in existence.

In fact more than that every single form of media in exsitence. I could regale you with tales of DJing and trapsing round record stores and markets having to trawl through tens tons of trash to find something good. YOU HAD TO DO IT - there was no other way.

Or the people I know who have their own festivals or record labels being sent ten tons of stuff that just is useless to them on the offchance that they find something good.

I'm sorry but this is how everything works. I'm sorry if this is new to you, but that's just how reality is.

They call it an "iceberg" for a reason - because about 90% is "under the water" (ie, ♥♥♥♥) where the best is above.

[Thermal Lance]

I’m more than happy to play games like these. I personally love it.

As for the whole “overstayed their welcome” thing… well… feel free to play something else. It ain’t like publishers suddently stopped producing games when Dusk was released.

Ignore and let other people have their fun.

[crunchyfrog]

Thermal Lance の投稿を引用：

I’m more than happy to play games like these. I personally love it.

As for the whole “overstayed their welcome” thing… well… feel free to play something else. It ain’t like publishers suddently stopped producing games when Dusk was released.

Ignore and let other people have their fun.

Yeah I never understand this mentality. Like there's not enough games to go around?

Hell, I have THOUSANDS of games as I don't sell any of them. If I gave up buying games now in my mid fifties I'd still be OK by the time I'm 80.

And I have a fraction of the realases on about 80 consoles and computers all told. Not even a fraction of all that's ever available.

Utter bloody nonsense.