Steam Banning and Censoring games

[Kal]

Steam, you will stop NOW or pay the consequences. We DONT NEED OR WANT your "world views". Just sell games you ♥♥♥♥♥!!!!

[crunchyfrog]

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

i didnt argue that brian. i arguened

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/pornography/can-i-get-charged-with-child-pornography-in-california-for-animated-videos/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wksexcrimes.com/can-charged-child-pornography-crime-watching-anime/amp/

you are right. it doesn't. and it's a crime.
if it looks like like a child or is portrayed as a child involved in sexual content then it's a crime.

coming up with some convoluted story so a pedo can get off on kiddie porn doesn't change that it's kiddie porn.

That people defend kiddie porn as ok tells everyone else just about all they need to know about them....

the point being is that if its a minor or portrayed as a minor its a crime and if its on YOUR site then the smart money is to remove it.
but go on brian .. argue for kiddie porn.

Ah of course, so the many people here just happened to read YOUR post wrong, and it wasn't you wrong at all?

Got it.

Painting into the corner deepens.

Seriously, go back and READ what you wrote.

[Crazy Tiger]

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

the point being is that if its a minor or portrayed as a minor its a crime and if its on YOUR site then the smart money is to remove it.

If it's not sexualised, there is no issue. And if it's 3rd party content not distributed through Steam that modifies it into sexualised content, there is nothing that will ever fall on Valve or Steam in that.

Valve removes such games according to laws. If they don't break laws with the actual content sold, there is no issue for them. Same goes with mods in the workshop, they get removed if they break laws. It's irrelevant what people can do to it on their own computer with 3rd party content.

Stuff sold might be poor taste, that for sure. But that's a different story and one where Valve will point towards their blog post from a while back.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

i didnt argue that brian. i arguened

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/pornography/can-i-get-charged-with-child-pornography-in-california-for-animated-videos/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wksexcrimes.com/can-charged-child-pornography-crime-watching-anime/amp/

you are right. it doesn't. and it's a crime.
if it looks like like a child or is portrayed as a child involved in sexual content then it's a crime.

coming up with some convoluted story so a pedo can get off on kiddie porn doesn't change that it's kiddie porn.

That people defend kiddie porn as ok tells everyone else just about all they need to know about them....

the point being is that if its a minor or portrayed as a minor its a crime and if its on YOUR site then the smart money is to remove it.
but go on brian .. argue for kiddie porn.

Not true at all, remember this?

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

If the content would have been restricted to a 3rd party download it would have been fine as steam can't police what other people do with their content after its delivered. All steam focuses on is what they can control and are responsible for which is the content delivered thru their platform

i am not sure if this is a legally sound argument either.
the end result is still a game ON STEAM that is child pornography.
that they added the files elsewhere doesnt change that.

thats not a position id want to be in if i were steam.

You literally said its not a legally sound argument that steam isn't responsible for patches provided outside of steam.......

Don't take my word for it, take your own.

Not a single person here has argued for kiddie porn, despite your pathetic attempts to try to twist an argument you can't win into disgusting personal attacks against people

Also this thread isn't about kiddie porn, your the one who creepily enough keeps circling back to it. It's about a game which was supposed to be sex free and marketed as such containing hidden sex files in it in violation of how it was rated. The game is NOT child porn and is still being sold on other sites.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Publicado originalmente por endrsgm:

the point being is that if its a minor or portrayed as a minor its a crime and if its on YOUR site then the smart money is to remove it.

If it's not sexualised, there is no issue. And if it's 3rd party content not distributed through Steam that modifies it into sexualised content, there is nothing that will ever fall on Valve or Steam in that.

Valve removes such games according to laws. If they don't break laws with the actual content sold, there is no issue for them. Same goes with mods in the workshop, they get removed if they break laws. It's irrelevant what people can do to it on their own computer with 3rd party content.

Stuff sold might be poor taste, that for sure. But that's a different story and one where Valve will point towards their blog post from a while back.

Especially as despite endrsgm apparent obsession with discussing child porn that's not even remotely why it seems this game was removed. It appears to have been removed for the exact same reason San Andreas was pulled off shelves. Including explicit sex scenes in a game not marketed or identified as such. Something which is not illegal if properly rated.

[Malamasala]

Keep in mind that Steam also banned Key to Home which was an all-ages, no-porn visual novel without hidden porn files. This because angry complainers pointed out that the artist also draws porn. Which was really sick back then, and Steam vowed to improve. I guess it is slightly better when they just ban things for unaccessible files than just what an artist works with on his/her spare time.

That said I think it is too extreme to ban the game because this exact thing has happened before so we already know the company did not do it on purpose but someone probably screwed up an update or something. Like they intended to fix a bug or a spelling error in the 7 months it was in the store, and suddenly they had sex files on Steam and got caught.

This of course only happens to good companies, as bad companies will never fix translations or bugs, and are safe.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Malamasala:

Keep in mind that Steam also banned Key to Home which was an all-ages, no-porn visual novel without hidden porn files. This because angry complainers pointed out that the artist also draws porn. Which was really sick back then, and Steam vowed to improve. I guess it is slightly better when they just ban things for unaccessible files than just what an artist works with on his/her spare time.

That said I think it is too extreme to ban the game because this exact thing has happened before so we already know the company did not do it on purpose but someone probably screwed up an update or something. Like they intended to fix a bug or a spelling error in the 7 months it was in the store, and suddenly they had sex files on Steam and got caught.

This of course only happens to good companies, as bad companies will never fix translations or bugs, and are safe.

That is completely false, there is no evidence whatsoever that it was banned for anything related to what the artist does in their spare time. There is a reddit thread here - https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/9us35w/the_key_to_home_has_been_banned_again_from_the/

It was apparently banned for suggestive underage elements even without actual sex.

As for bannin a game for having sex files legally valve has no choice. if they didn't take action by banning the game anyone who bought it could have sued Valve for allowing it to be sold with a wrong rating without penalty or removal.

After the Hot Coffee fiasco with Rockstar San Andreas was pulled from the shelf of every store for instance and the copies were sent back to the publisher. They had to re-issue an updated version before it was allowed back on store shelves and available for sale.

[Mendax]

Steam bans adult visual novel months after release, raising censorship fears.

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/steam-adult-visual-novel-ban/

[Mendax]

Banning months after the release? Makes no sense.

[Ogami]

There is already a big thread about it, including the reason WHY the game was banned.
No need for another.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/2798376797409078363/

Basically, they sold the game as a "all ages" version without sexual content but the files containing the adult content were still in the game files. Thats not allowed by Steam TOS.
You either sell the game as censored without any adult content files and then offer a 18+ DLC or offside patch.
OR you sell your game as "adult only" with the sexual content intact.
In this case the game has characters that appear underage in sexual situations, something that Steam does not allow at all so they only allowed the censored version to be published on Steam.

But since the sexual content is still in the game files that Steam provided they are legally liable for the content. So Steam removed the game since it broke the TOS.

[Ogami]

BTW the game is already back on the Steam Store after the files in question have been removed from the Steam version.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/668360/Bokuten__Why_I_Became_an_Angel/


You can still uncensor the game with a patch provided by the publisher.

So, much noise about nothing in the end.

[Ogami]

BTW the game is back on the Steam Store after the publisher removed the files in question.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/668360/Bokuten__Why_I_Became_an_Angel/


And you still can uncensor this version with an offside patch provided by said publisher like before.

So, much noise about nothing in the end.

[ShelLuser]

And a small warning in addition to what Ogami said above: be careful with sharing screenshots if you've used any uncensoring patch. When it comes to "specific contents" (such as nudity and such) then you're only allowed to share screenshots of the vanilla game; so without the use of any patches.

For the same reasons which Ogami already mentioned: if the game isn't marked as 'adult only' and you still share adult contents then your material is out of place and in violation of the Steam guidelines as well.

Figured I'd mention it because a lot of players got into problems for doing just that.

[Brian9824]

Yep, gotta love all the people trying to blame steam when it turns out the developer screwed up and could be liable for millions of dollars worth of lawsuits and fines, and steam removes their game to protect themselves.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Ogami:

BTW the game is back on the Steam Store after the publisher removed the files in question.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/668360/Bokuten__Why_I_Became_an_Angel/


And you still can uncensor this version with an offside patch provided by said publisher like before.

So, much noise about nothing in the end.

Yep and despite people like endrgsm claiming, its NOT child porn, steam isn't breaking the rules, etc.

It's exactly as what was described and it was 100% the fault of the developer.

[crunchyfrog]

Publicado originalmente por Ogami:

BTW the game is back on the Steam Store after the publisher removed the files in question.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/668360/Bokuten__Why_I_Became_an_Angel/


And you still can uncensor this version with an offside patch provided by said publisher like before.

So, much noise about nothing in the end.

As usual, while a dodgy subject obviously, this was a relatively straightforward issue that was made worse by certain individuals clouding the water due to their own incompetence and dishonesty and inability to read.

Such people are the worst on Steam as they make more work by muddying the waters than anyone else.