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DragoNツ 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 3:14
Lootbear - Is Steam supporting such Sides?
Heyho,
Most of you have probably already heard about a new site slowly growing up:
{連結已移除} - A Skin rental Service

Before any comments come with the intention to ask if it's a scam site, I advice to check
the site out before make up your own decision on it before a Spammeroni takes place.

I use the Site for more than 2 months already and my experience is mostly positive.
Why not fully? Well it's still in its beta and so it brings many problems with it, but every project goes through this phase.

To come to my actually question, I am wondering if Steam supports (in this case) a skin rental?
It follows the Guide lines Steam has put off and works with the 7-Day-Tradeban just fine and makes the best out of it.

I just want to hear your opinion about this, since the Steam support (Trade support, which was exactly made for questions like these) is not responding.

Best regards,
Dennis
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Brujeira 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:40 
引用自 Dragonツ
But on OP Skins they did, why? Because they got forced to, since now it was supporting gambling sites, which Valve didn't want to see anymore, because their reputitation went down.
I see a more "we don't care" position here

By 'since now it was supporting gambling sites' you mean 'since Valve could now prove it was being used for money laundering by organised crime'?

Yeah, all those sites are unlicensed, illegal and used for very dodgy purposes - ALL OF THEM. I don't see a 'we don't care' position here at all. Unfortunately, I do see a prioritising of resources when it comes to enforcing the terms and conditions - a situation that leaves apps like Lootbear in an inbox somewhere labelled 'They'll get theirs'.

And they will. Unfortunately, this situation is like cutting heads off a hydra - kill one and two more will come to life in its place. Doesn't mean it's not worth doing of course.
cinedine 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 4:52 
引用自 Brujeira
And they will. Unfortunately, this situation is like cutting heads off a hydra - kill one and two more will come to life in its place. Doesn't mean it's not worth doing of course.

Case in point:

Shortly after the the CSGO Lotto scandal around TmarTn and ProSyndicate Valve send some C&D letters to well known gambling sites.

Now there are more than ever and a new one being registered each and every day and people actively seek them out.
Drab 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 7:34 
Removing trading is the only thing that will ever stop this.
Winged One 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 7:35 
引用自 Drab
Removing trading is the only thing that will ever stop this.
which alot of people have been advocating for
DragoNツ 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 8:42 
引用自 theseraph1
引用自 Drab
Removing trading is the only thing that will ever stop this.
which alot of people have been advocating for

I think there are more counter voices to that.
DragoNツ 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 8:44 
Why is everybody hating so much on Trading? This is just a new Value, another currency, trading is what made this game as big as it is and holds it alive, without Trading, I believe, this game would be more dead than it already is. Why should Valve take a feature of the Community and don't care about the game as well. I just hope Valve isn't becoming a second EA..
DragoNツ 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 8:45 
People made profit with trading, yes, but is that bad? I can't see the bad points in this..
Gambling.. scamming, ye negative sides of it, but gambling "is a choice", it's here, in real life as well, sure kids get to it as well, but you shouldn't ignore the problem, that you should enlight the kids for this and don't just take it away. So with scamming, those matters are the same in real life, but through the internet you just feel more of the impact.
I can't see any reason for Valve to shut this down.
76561198001062896 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:07 
引用自 Dragonツ
People made profit with trading, yes, but is that bad? I can't see the bad points in this..
Gambling.. scamming, ye negative sides of it, but gambling "is a choice", it's here, in real life as well, sure kids get to it as well, but you shouldn't ignore the problem, that you should enlight the kids for this and don't just take it away. So with scamming, those matters are the same in real life, but through the internet you just feel more of the impact.
I can't see any reason for Valve to shut this down.


except Valve doesnt want people to gamble with skins, just as simple

it doesnt matter whether or not the community doesnt mind what is essentially unlicensed illegal gambling.
Spawn of Totoro 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:36 
引用自 Dragonツ
Heyho,
Most of you have probably already heard about a new site slowly growing up:
{連結已移除} - A Skin rental Service

Before any comments come with the intention to ask if it's a scam site, I advice to check
the site out before make up your own decision on it before a Spammeroni takes place.

I use the Site for more than 2 months already and my experience is mostly positive.
Why not fully? Well it's still in its beta and so it brings many problems with it, but every project goes through this phase.

To come to my actually question, I am wondering if Steam supports (in this case) a skin rental?
It follows the Guide lines Steam has put off and works with the 7-Day-Tradeban just fine and makes the best out of it.

I just want to hear your opinion about this, since the Steam support (Trade support, which was exactly made for questions like these) is not responding.

Best regards,
Dennis

No, Valve does not support such things.

You can't rent out a skin. If the user they gave it to chooses not to return it, then there is nothing they can do about it.

If a user gives them skins and they don't give the user anything in return, there is nothign the user can do about it.

If they don't return a deposit, then there is nothing the user can do about it.

It is way open to being scammed in both directions.

Also, there is a 7 day cooldown on skins after a trade, so unless they are bypassing that (could get a lot of accounts closed) then it would fail as a rental service.
DragoNツ 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:56 
引用自 Zetikla
引用自 Dragonツ
People made profit with trading, yes, but is that bad? I can't see the bad points in this..
Gambling.. scamming, ye negative sides of it, but gambling "is a choice", it's here, in real life as well, sure kids get to it as well, but you shouldn't ignore the problem, that you should enlight the kids for this and don't just take it away. So with scamming, those matters are the same in real life, but through the internet you just feel more of the impact.
I can't see any reason for Valve to shut this down.


except Valve doesnt want people to gamble with skins, just as simple

it doesnt matter whether or not the community doesnt mind what is essentially unlicensed illegal gambling.

You sure Valve doesn't want this? They only did something when the US Media got in touch with the element, since kids were gambling that's why Valve had to take action for the reputitation.
I wouldn't call that coincidence.
DragoNツ 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 9:57 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
引用自 Dragonツ
Heyho,
Most of you have probably already heard about a new site slowly growing up:
{連結已移除} - A Skin rental Service

Before any comments come with the intention to ask if it's a scam site, I advice to check
the site out before make up your own decision on it before a Spammeroni takes place.

I use the Site for more than 2 months already and my experience is mostly positive.
Why not fully? Well it's still in its beta and so it brings many problems with it, but every project goes through this phase.

To come to my actually question, I am wondering if Steam supports (in this case) a skin rental?
It follows the Guide lines Steam has put off and works with the 7-Day-Tradeban just fine and makes the best out of it.

I just want to hear your opinion about this, since the Steam support (Trade support, which was exactly made for questions like these) is not responding.

Best regards,
Dennis

No, Valve does not support such things.

You can't rent out a skin. If the user they gave it to chooses not to return it, then there is nothing they can do about it.

If a user gives them skins and they don't give the user anything in return, there is nothign the user can do about it.

If they don't return a deposit, then there is nothing the user can do about it.

It is way open to being scammed in both directions.

Also, there is a 7 day cooldown on skins after a trade, so unless they are bypassing that (could get a lot of accounts closed) then it would fail as a rental service.

I said, you should check the Website first, before you make such arguments. It has their safe instructions, it follows the 7 day trade-ban on an item and works with the rules Valve made for trading. Safety instructions given for Fraud as well.
XXX 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 10:35 
stop advertising scammer sites.

reported.
The End 2018 年 8 月 12 日 下午 11:35 
引用自 Dragonツ
引用自 Spawn of Totoro

No, Valve does not support such things.

You can't rent out a skin. If the user they gave it to chooses not to return it, then there is nothing they can do about it.

If a user gives them skins and they don't give the user anything in return, there is nothign the user can do about it.

If they don't return a deposit, then there is nothing the user can do about it.

It is way open to being scammed in both directions.

Also, there is a 7 day cooldown on skins after a trade, so unless they are bypassing that (could get a lot of accounts closed) then it would fail as a rental service.

I said, you should check the Website first, before you make such arguments. It has their safe instructions, it follows the 7 day trade-ban on an item and works with the rules Valve made for trading. Safety instructions given for Fraud as well.
People like you are the reason scammers has such an easy time making money.

That site is an open invite to get items/money/deposits stolen.

Valve does not support or endorse the use of thirdpartysites for trading, they warn about it and ask users to stay within the system created by Valve for trading.

BTW.
This topic smell more like an advertising than a honest question for said site, you seems to know everything, you even claim that it's safe to use.
You have gotten you answer multiple times, here it is once more, Valve does not support/approve/endorse sites like that in any whay what so ever.

J4MESOX4D 2018 年 8 月 13 日 上午 12:11 
The site is filtered for a reason.
76561198001062896 2018 年 8 月 13 日 上午 12:23 
引用自 Dragonツ
引用自 Zetikla


except Valve doesnt want people to gamble with skins, just as simple

it doesnt matter whether or not the community doesnt mind what is essentially unlicensed illegal gambling.

You sure Valve doesn't want this? They only did something when the US Media got in touch with the element, since kids were gambling that's why Valve had to take action for the reputitation.
I wouldn't call that coincidence.


whats the incentive for Valve to endorse sites that are essentially cutting into their revenue stream?
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