Games made for a "modern audience" are stupid

[Chocobo & Moogle]

Let's pander to a specific group of people to make the game better. The fanbase doesn't matter.

[90054321564584560]

almost everything is made based on market trends and a specific target. especially even more in this world everything is getting more competitive.

[Grug]

"modern audience" is code for gay. They're making games for gay people.

[Grug]

引用自 Thanos：

引用自 Grug：

"modern audience" is code for gay. They're making games for gay people.

They're trying to pander to minorities, feminists, and LGBTQ+. I don't see how making the main character of Assassin's Creed Shadows a black man is appealing to the Japanese. They should've made the main character Asian.

No, he will be a trans disabled POC and if you don't like it you're a bigot.

[Dracoco OwO]

引用自 Thanos：

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6g6rwVaZds
Hip-hop in Assassin's Creed makes too much sense

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell and peoples say the game is not woke.

[AustrAlien2010]

"Woke" is a as much a word as "modern audience" is a word.
Both words don't mean anything.

You can say: he woke up.
In that manner the word can be used.

[Grug]

引用自 AustrAlien2010：

"Woke" is a as much a word as "modern audience" is a word.
Both words don't mean anything.

Exactly. I'm always seeing woke people use words like "modern audience".

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

If "modern" means contemporary, "pandering" means to design games to include people, and "fanbase" means existing customers (all of which, contrary to popular belief, includes not only "modern audiences" but also old as dirt people like myself who have zero issue with the things some seem to think are "ruining" their video games) then I for one am unperturbed by this ostensible "pandering to modern audiences."

So far, all the games people have told me this applies to that I've played, I've loved personally. I have yet to have a single video game experience damaged or diminished, let alone ruined, by any of the things people bandwagon against these days in terms of player characters, design, character creation options, etc. etc.

If there's something about "modern gaming" that does impact my enjoyment, it's this, which lies completely outside those things: FOMO-based live service inspired models intruding on the game's design or gameplay meta distorting elements bleeding into core systems design on that basis.

For instance, Halo Infinite's core locking, color purchasing, challenges that incentivize arbitrary play instead of objectives and teamwork, reduction in unlockable customization options derived simply from playing the game, and "vaulting" of things on a seasonal basis.

Now that's something that actually detrimentally impacts my enjoyment as an existing member of a "fanbase" since the inception of a series I love. Not this other stuff which has zero impact on me personally. (Other than providing me with more options sometimes, which I welcome. 🤷🏻‍♂️)

[Dracoco OwO]

引用自 AustrAlien2010：

"Woke" is a as much a word as "modern audience" is a word.
Both words don't mean anything.

You can say: he woke up.
In that manner the word can be used.

I mean it's pretty much established in the context of what i said that woke means that they try to force inclusive content in a game for instance and they did it in Assasin's creed to a ridiculous and honestly potentially racist extent ironically.

[AustrAlien2010]

引用自 Dracoco OwO：

引用自 AustrAlien2010：

"Woke" is a as much a word as "modern audience" is a word.
Both words don't mean anything.

You can say: he woke up.
In that manner the word can be used.

I mean it's pretty much established in the context of what i said that woke means that they try to force inclusive content in a game for instance and they did it in Assasin's creed to a ridiculous and honestly potentially racist extent ironically.

It could mean something to people who have been initiated by whatever narrative the media is feeding them, but it's not a word that is taught at school. In that sense, it's not an academic term the average kid is supposed to understand.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Thanos：

Only white men can be depicted as psychopaths

And once upon a time every villain was russian... Then every villain came from middle east...
You've discovered trends, congratulations.

引用自 Thanos：

They're trying to pander to minorities, feminists, and LGBTQ+. I don't see how making the main character of Assassin's Creed Shadows a black man is appealing to the majority of people. They should've made the main character Asian.

AAA Studios don't spend millions trying to pander to minorities. They make their games trying to pander to as wide of an audience as they can.

One should give it a though when AAA studios who are the epythome of risk aversion don't spend their budgets pandering to you and pander to what you call 'minorities'.

Maybe the minority is the vocal bunch who are constantly complaining "there's black/trans/gay people in my soup".

[90054321564584560]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Thanos：

Only white men can be depicted as psychopaths

And once upon a time every villain was russian... Then every villain came from middle east...
You've discovered trends, congratulations.

引用自 Thanos：

They're trying to pander to minorities, feminists, and LGBTQ+. I don't see how making the main character of Assassin's Creed Shadows a black man is appealing to the majority of people. They should've made the main character Asian.

AAA Studios don't spend millions trying to pander to minorities. They make their games trying to pander to as wide of an audience as they can.

One should give it a though when AAA studios who are the epythome of risk aversion don't spend their budgets pandering to you and pander to what you call 'minorities'.

Maybe the minority is the vocal bunch who are constantly complaining "there's black/trans/gay people in my soup".

You got it right. A new trend just started doesn't mean old products weren't made with market's appeal before. If they already want to make arts and make sure it will sell, they don't really take their stuffs that personally unlike the fans or consumers. More like a product that can be altered to fit future needs. Money talks more than it is seen as a personal treasure aka feelings.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

引用自 90054321564584560：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

And once upon a time every villain was russian... Then every villain came from middle east...
You've discovered trends, congratulations.


AAA Studios don't spend millions trying to pander to minorities. They make their games trying to pander to as wide of an audience as they can.

One should give it a though when AAA studios who are the epythome of risk aversion don't spend their budgets pandering to you and pander to what you call 'minorities'.

Maybe the minority is the vocal bunch who are constantly complaining "there's black/trans/gay people in my soup".

You got it right. A new trend just started doesn't mean old products weren't made with market's appeal before. If they already want to make arts and make sure it will sell, they don't really take their stuffs that personally unlike the fans or consumers. More like a product that can be altered to fit future needs. Money talks more than it is seen as a personal treasure aka feelings.

they pander to whomever gives them the most money

and the ESG / blackrock type shell companies who fund the game industry wanna pander to certain groups

why exactly or we know why

but how exactly it benefits them money wise no one really knows

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 90054321564584560：

You got it right. A new trend just started doesn't mean old products weren't made with market's appeal before.

Markets change. Some people haven't taken well not being the centermost of that appeal anymore.

[Jackie Daytona]

Sorry if this is repeating myself. The notification system is broken.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Jackie Daytona：

This "modern audience" doesn't exist. Going all the way back to the 1970's, men have been the majority of gamers.

Statistics prove you wrong, no matter how much you don't want to listen to them. You're behaving like Mr Skinner's meme from the simpsons "Am I out of touch??"

Grow up and stop trolling.

Those stats can be proven to be skewed. You'd actually have to look at them, though.

Of course, you won't do that. Or fully quote me. Because you love to leave out the facts. Oh, and you troll without making any argument. Then think you're smart.

All these statistics widen the definition of "gamer". Specifically to include women.

Playing a game on your phone 15 minutes a day, during your work break, DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GAMER.

Yet these stats include those people as "gamers". Which then make it look as if there's just tons of women out there playing games. They aren't. Not like men do.

Any objective measure will show a distinct lack of women gamers.

Twitch. Most women on there aren't playing games. They are in the "Just Chatting" section. Because they don't play video games. They don't want to. They aren't interested.

YouTube. Nearly every gaming YouTuber is male. The people doing deep dives into the history of gaming? Male. Top streamers? Male.

Competitions. I don't believe there has EVER been a female EVO grand champion on the main stage. Not even in the finals. Probably not even semi-finals.

Best RTS players? All male.

Best Tetris players? All male.

Best Hearthstone players? All male.

引用自 atomicgirl：

引用自 Jackie Daytona：

Do women play games? Absolutely. But female gamers are rare. Because gamers play as a hobby or sport.

Female gamers are rare? WTF are you talking about? It was female gamers that made The Sims franchise one of the best selling PC games of all time,

You actually just made my point right there.

Women play games. When it's playing house. (There's literally a dollhouse in one of the games that makes an allusion to the game being no more than playing with dolls. In the description of the item.)

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Thanos：

Only white men can be depicted as psychopaths

And once upon a time every villain was russian... Then every villain came from middle east...
You've discovered trends, congratulations.

Cool. When are you going to discover hypocrisy? Because you live it every day.

White men are treated like dirt across all entertainment. And they expect us to keep buying their products? NOPE!

My house is full of Star Wars stuff. Haven't bought related anything since Disney took over.

This "trend" is not a culture shift. It's forced by wealthy leftists with an agenda.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Thanos：

They're trying to pander to minorities, feminists, and LGBTQ+. I don't see how making the main character of Assassin's Creed Shadows a black man is appealing to the majority of people. They should've made the main character Asian.

AAA Studios don't spend millions trying to pander to minorities. They make their games trying to pander to as wide of an audience as they can.

You huff copium harder than anyone ever.

Western AAA is all about women, LGBTQ, and racial minorities. They aren't going for a "wide audience". They are going for a narrow audience. Which is why their live-service games keep failing. They give NOTHING to the core audience.

The only reason the main character of that Assassins Creed game is black is due to DEI/ESG garbage. Same with Gladiator 2. There's no other reason to do so. It makes no sense. It's an insult to all of human history.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

Maybe the minority is the vocal bunch who are constantly complaining "there's black/trans/gay people in my soup".

Millions are turning away from products that obsess over diversity. They are losing money.

Cope as hard as you want. You are still wrong. And always will be.

[TGC> The Games Collector]

Yeah, it's the dumbest thing ever. Nobody wants this crap.

Nobody even knows who this "modern audience" is, clearly they haven't been born yet.
And by the time this "modern audience" is born, the games have aged like spoiled milk.

Maybe companies should try to think ahead a few centuries less. Or come up with a real full plan to increment their fancy modern ideas for modern audiences.