Bad Games

[This place sucks]

It's funny how ever since Steam kinda lowered it's standards, the floodgate opened to poor quality low-rated games. I hate having to sift through free-to-play games to find games in X price range, so I went to the most expensive and went backwards because it's faster. The majority of what I'm seeing is games that are rated very poorly. It seems vastly more so than positive. I honestly believe Valve is killing itself with poor business decisions. If a game is so awful that 9/10 reviews are poor, why continue to allow it to be listed? It's like Steam is becoming to games as Schlitz turned into for beers.

[This place sucks]

Messaggio originale di KurtchzkoClam:

A lot of these comments are putting the proverbial cart before the horse.

A logical postulate for the recent influx of poor reviews might be attributed to the Steam review system. Memes, jokes, and poor 4chan-esque recaps of gameplay tend to be the top comment, followed by tons of negative reviews, most of which don't accurately assess and critique the game in a fair way.

I think it is better to actually play some of these games - instead of believing every negative review you come across. You might find a different outcome, perspective of the game, counter to what you read bout.

Remember: those who have a positive experience with a product are not as likely to leave a review as opposed to someone who had the opposite experience; therefore, we can also assume that most of the reviews are written only by a small sect of the overall community.

And to remark briefly upon this notion that poorly reviewed games should be cut from the marketplace: Steam is a games distribution service, in the same way that Amazon, eBay, and Jet are distribution services. Amazon does not remove items with horrible reviews, so why should Steam? Some of the best content moderation any consumer has lies in their ability to research a game, thoroughly, before buying it. Don't blame Steam. Don't blame good and honest devs.

So you're defending 90000 ♥♥♥♥♥♥ RPG maker games and pushed-out-over-the-weekend-for-quick-cash-grabs garbage because you think they are truly good games?

[TokyoWifi]

Messaggio originale di Folf Fairport:

Messaggio originale di KurtchzkoClam:

A lot of these comments are putting the proverbial cart before the horse.

A logical postulate for the recent influx of poor reviews might be attributed to the Steam review system. Memes, jokes, and poor 4chan-esque recaps of gameplay tend to be the top comment, followed by tons of negative reviews, most of which don't accurately assess and critique the game in a fair way.

I think it is better to actually play some of these games - instead of believing every negative review you come across. You might find a different outcome, perspective of the game, counter to what you read bout.

Remember: those who have a positive experience with a product are not as likely to leave a review as opposed to someone who had the opposite experience; therefore, we can also assume that most of the reviews are written only by a small sect of the overall community.

And to remark briefly upon this notion that poorly reviewed games should be cut from the marketplace: Steam is a games distribution service, in the same way that Amazon, eBay, and Jet are distribution services. Amazon does not remove items with horrible reviews, so why should Steam? Some of the best content moderation any consumer has lies in their ability to research a game, thoroughly, before buying it. Don't blame Steam. Don't blame good and honest devs.

So you're defending 90000 ♥♥♥♥♥♥ RPG maker games and pushed-out-over-the-weekend-for-quick-cash-grabs garbage because you think they are truly good games?

I will say that, no, I am not defending anything. In fact, my post actually promotes a bit of responsibility on behalf of the consumer to make certain they're buying and supporting games they want to play. Also, if there's a product there's a demand. So I don't quite follow the logic behind your reply, which also, quite frankly, does not assess the main points of my reply.

[This place sucks]

Messaggio originale di KurtchzkoClam:

Messaggio originale di Folf Fairport:

So you're defending 90000 ♥♥♥♥♥♥ RPG maker games and pushed-out-over-the-weekend-for-quick-cash-grabs garbage because you think they are truly good games?

I will say that, no, I am not defending anything. In fact, my post actually promotes a bit of responsibility on behalf of the consumer to make certain they're buying and supporting games they want to play. Also, if there's a product there's a demand. So I don't quite follow the logic behind your reply, which also, quite frankly, does not assess the main points of my reply.

Mostly because 1: I stopped caring about this thread a while ago and 2: your reply was tl;dr

[prettygirl]

ehh

[Radene]

Messaggio originale di mudlord:

Indeed, who gives a damn if someone wants to pay for something.

Only the people who don't want the "something" to become the norm or are opposed to that having happened. A minority by definition, obviously, but my point is "what people want to pay for" does subtly change the market, and not always for the better. Obviously, that's not limited to entertainment and obviously what is or isn't "for the better" is subjective.

Personally I'd love it if people stopped paying so much to see controversy and started paying more to see fact, but well...pipe dream, ainnit. I don't predict a mass exodus to the world's libraries in lieu of watching reports on celebrity shenanigans anytime soon.

[Serell]

This argument will never end because there are too many fools who can't understand the clear difference between niche and worthless garbage made with unity assets by a literal 10 yr-old

[He Sus]

maybe there should be some sort of voting system to allow people to vote whether a game should be taken off the market?

lets say, a game has to have a "Very Negative" - "Overwhelmingly Negative" for at least 6 or 12 months (giving devs time for updates) for it to qualify for voting. then players can then vote whether they want it take off steam? although there would probably have to be a refund system for this.

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Messaggio originale di 3ph0r:

maybe there should be some sort of voting system to allow people to vote whether a game should be taken off the market?

lets say, a game has to have a "Very Negative" - "Overwhelmingly Negative" for at least 6 or 12 months (giving devs time for updates) for it to qualify for voting. then players can then vote whether they want it take off steam? although there would probably have to be a refund system for this.

yes so that ppl can basically mob out and force remove games they dont like?

thanks but with the godawful toxic community we have on steam we dont need this.

[He Sus]

Messaggio originale di Zetikla:

yes so that ppl can basically mob out and force remove games they dont like?

thanks but with the godawful toxic community we have on steam we dont need this.

why so angry? just a suggestion.

obviously valve would have to step in at some point during the process, if a product has 1000 reviews which are 90-95% negative with good reason I don't see that much of an issue.

the key factor here is that the devs are given time to fix the issues, if they don't or they just leave it dead (like StarForge for example) then surely the community should have some input.

what about fake/scam type games, that are just utter rubbish to get people buy them, should they still be allowed to take up space on steam?

[Dirty Dan]

Messaggio originale di Serell:

This argument will never end because there are too many fools who can't understand the clear difference between niche and worthless garbage made with unity assets by a literal 10 yr-old

I agree.

[wuddih]

there has been no quality control on Steam and there never will be. the only form of "quality control" currently is greenlight and that is more a glorified bottleneck, since everything in there will get greenlit some day regardless of the votes.

there are some mild forms of, lets call it, annoyance removals Valve does from time to time a.k.a. removing completely unplayable games from store and content servers and removing skummy devs from the store but none of that has something to do with the quality of the products.

your personally defined "trash" has a right to exist. if you want to know what happens if you remove that right, read some ww2 history books.

[Dirty Dan]

Messaggio originale di wuddih:

there has been no quality control on Steam and there never will be. the only form of "quality control" currently is greenlight and that is more a glorified bottleneck, since everything in there will get greenlit some day regardless of the votes.

there are some mild forms of, lets call it, annoyance removals Valve does from time to time a.k.a. removing completely unplayable games from store and content servers and removing skummy devs from the store but none of that has something to do with the quality of the products.

your personally defined "trash" has a right to exist. if you want to know what happens if you remove that right, read some ww2 history books.

What does WWII have to do with quality filters? Also according to steam there is some "trash" that is not allowed on steam. So not all games have "the right to exist".

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Messaggio originale di Dirty Dan:

Messaggio originale di wuddih:

there has been no quality control on Steam and there never will be. the only form of "quality control" currently is greenlight and that is more a glorified bottleneck, since everything in there will get greenlit some day regardless of the votes.

there are some mild forms of, lets call it, annoyance removals Valve does from time to time a.k.a. removing completely unplayable games from store and content servers and removing skummy devs from the store but none of that has something to do with the quality of the products.

your personally defined "trash" has a right to exist. if you want to know what happens if you remove that right, read some ww2 history books.

What does WWII have to do with quality filters? Also according to steam there is some "trash" that is not allowed on steam. So not all games have "the right to exist".

He's evoking Godwin's Law, which means that his argument is invalid and laughable. LAUGH AT HIM, DIRTY DAN! HE IS TO BE LAUGHED AT.

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Feels bad bro

[McFlurry Butts]

In my opinion, the biggest issue with Steam right now is the lack of Valve games since that is what most people play before taking Steam seriously. For the newer players, it's fun, but for the more veteran customers of Steam, there is a lack of them.