IPS vs TN

[Terra]

I ve read and seen several vids saying that IPS displays have longer response time and less Hz so they re worse for gaming then TNs. Is there really a noticable difference when playing mainly FPS games? thanks

[zombie cat]

the limitation for ips now is really the refresh rate, as most common ips panels dont do more than 60 hz. their response times are pretty much the same as tn panels.

[Air]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Zombie Cat:

the limitation for ips now is really the refresh rate, as most common ips panels dont do more than 60 hz. their response times are pretty much the same as tn panels.

Actually, no, I woudn't say that a limitation since this exists: Acer XB270HU[www.ncix.com]

[Terra]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Zombie Cat:

the limitation for ips now is really the refresh rate, as most common ips panels dont do more than 60 hz. their response times are pretty much the same as tn panels.

soo, no noticable response delay difference between those two?

[zombie cat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez BigZ1997:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Zombie Cat:

the limitation for ips now is really the refresh rate, as most common ips panels dont do more than 60 hz. their response times are pretty much the same as tn panels.

soo, no noticable response delay difference between those two?

Again it depends on the monitor, but generally if you find one with 5ms. It's good enough.

[˜lokkandload˜™]

IPS will definitely show richer colors. Blacks will actually look black not dk grey...it emulates a plasma panel in that way. My last panel was an LG IPS LED 27"......it was 60hz at 5ms and it would work fine at 1080p@60hz. I upgraded to a 144hz to get more fps to match higher end GPUs and SLI.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

U need to understand what the advertised specs mean; a majority of brands, when they display the Response Timing; that is only showing u a # for GTG (Grey-to-Grey)

In reality, regardless of TN or IPS; if it is around 60Hz, the full range RGB Timing will be around 16ms

So whether u buy a display that is 1ms GTG or 5ms GTG; it really will not matter, solely based on that.

[Terra]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bad-Motha:

U need to understand what the advertised specs mean; a majority of brands, when they display the Response Timing; that is only showing u a # for GTG (Grey-to-Grey)

In reality, regardless of TN or IPS; if it is around 60Hz, the full range RGB Timing will be around 16ms

So whether u buy a display that is 1ms GTG or 5ms GTG; it really will not matter, solely based on that.

can I ask u what display u got ?

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Only competitive players with thousands of dollars to lose care about every little advantage like 144hz and minimal response times.

But for the rest of us, 5ms is fine and IPS is more pleasant.

[Kaldaien]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bad-Motha:

U need to understand what the advertised specs mean; a majority of brands, when they display the Response Timing; that is only showing u a # for GTG (Grey-to-Grey)

In reality, regardless of TN or IPS; if it is around 60Hz, the full range RGB Timing will be around 16ms

So whether u buy a display that is 1ms GTG or 5ms GTG; it really will not matter, solely based on that.

It makes a bigger difference than you think. I cannot stand any form of LCD because of poor pixel response time. Plasma and OLED have pixel response time < 0.1 ms, but they're not perfect either; less ghosting than LCDs, same amount of judder in some content.

I have a 4K OLED, it's got the color accuracy of an IPS and the motion performance of an LCD despite having pixel response times < 0.01 ms. You can jack up the refresh rate to make up for problems with sample-and-hold, or you can say fsck it all and get a 2048x1536 CRT :)

These days low-persistence is more important than refresh rate or pixel response time. They DO make IPS panels with strobed backlights (they they are rare), those are probably the holy grail for gaming assuming you don't have a CRT.

[˜lokkandload˜™]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Riley ♡♡♡:

Only competitive players with thousands of dollars to lose care about every little advantage like 144hz and minimal response times.

But for the rest of us, 5ms is fine and IPS is more pleasant.

Those that generalize crack me the hell up.

[Kaldaien]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ~Dirt Na$ty~™:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Riley ♡♡♡:

Only competitive players with thousands of dollars to lose care about every little advantage like 144hz and minimal response times.

But for the rest of us, 5ms is fine and IPS is more pleasant.

Those that generalize crack me the hell up.

Me too. I don't care about playing games competitively, but I effing hate motion blur and piss poor black levels. Everything about LCD in all of its forms makes me angry and this has nothing to do with my budget or my taste in games ;)

[Jase]

I'm using a QHD IPS monitor and I have no problems with response time even in multiplayer FPS's. In fact, I haven't seen a monitor with response time issues in years. Even my friends' cheap monitors don't have a problem. I think you would be hard pressed to find a monitor currently being sold as new that would produce any noticeable ghosting effect. I'd be more concerned with input lag, especially if you are looking at some cable-ready monitor/HDTV. Also, for FPS, a game like BLOPS2 showed a noticeable difference between 60Hz, 96Hz, and 110Hz refresh rates (panel failed at 120Hz) so refresh might be a worthwhile consideration.

[Kate]

TNs have shorter response times and refresh rate.
IPS have better viewing angles, better colors and I think better blacks.
I can't notice the extra 4ms of response time, but I can sure notice washed-out TN colors. I never got the whole "TN is better for gaming" - has anyone ever lost a match because of 4ms of delay? Can you even notice it? If you're playing ENB modded Skyrim for example, IPS screens in general will display much better colors.

[Kaldaien]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Erin:

TNs have shorter response times and refresh rate.
IPS have better viewing angles, better colors and I think better blacks.
I can't notice the extra 4ms of response time, but I can sure notice washed-out TN colors. I never got the whole "TN is better for gaming" - has anyone ever lost a match because of 4ms of delay? Can you even notice it? If you're playing ENB modded Skyrim for example, IPS screens in general will display much better colors.

Competitiveness isn't the only reason you want fast pixel response times in interactive media. I like to be able to read text scrolling across the screen at hyper speed in all the games I play. You may have gotten used to motion blur on LCDs to the point where you can tolerate it, but I cannot.

You need nearly instantaneous pixel response PLUS impulse scanning to eliminate motion blur. CRTs get you this for free, plus accurate colors, plus great black level - they're wonderful display devices but almost impossible to find these days. IPS gets you good color accuracy, poor pixel response time, but a very small minority of IPS panels support strobed / scanning backlights. They would be the ideal choice for gaming on an LCD.

I've skipped the LCD bandwagon completely though and use Plasma monitors (problem with these is they don't fit on your desk) and OLED TVs (same problem, plus about 20 ms additional input latency) instead. I prfer motion clarity and image quality to input latency anyway (as long as it's under 2 frames it's alright).

[Kate]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kaldaien:

Competitiveness isn't the only reason you want fast pixel response times in interactive media. I like to be able to read text scrolling across the screen at hyper speed in all the games I play. You may have gotten used to motion blur on LCDs to the point where you can tolerate it, but I cannot.

That's refresh rate (frequency) not response time. You could have a screen that took an entire second to display stuff, and it would still scroll smoothly, just with a delay. You can get 144Hz IPS which will give you that smooth scrolling, obviously it's not cheap. Plasma is the best choice, but usually so expensive it's out of the question.
I stand by what I said, <5ms response time is not noticeable.