NicShadow_IT Jul 20, 2024 @ 10:05am
New build
Planning to buy a new PS, since another my discussion about new UPS derailed to the new PC discussion, I opened a new discussion focused on the PC itself.
So, after been blamed about my decision about a prebuilt Alienware PC/Intel, I tried something different.
This is a config that I found on pc specialist and I would like to know feedbacks... Thanks in advance.

Last Build:
Case
BE QUIET! CASE PER GAMING TOWER SHADOW BASE 800 FX
CPU
CPU a 8 Core AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (4,2 GHz-5,0 GHz/CACHE da 104 MB/AM5)
MB
ASUS® ROG CROSSHAIR X670E HERO (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
RAM
DDR5 Corsair VENGEANCE RGB 6000 MHz 32 GB (1 da 32 GB)
GPU
NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4080 SUPER da 16 GB - HDMI, DP, LHR
1o drive SSD M.2
SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2 500 GB NVMe PCIe (fino a 6900 MB/R, 5000 MB/W)
2o drive SSD M.2
SAMSUNG 990 EVO M.2 2 TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 & 5.0 (fino a 5000 MB/R, 4200 MB/W)
PSU
CORSAIR 1000 W RMx SERIES™; MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD
CPU Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H115i ELITE CAPELLIX XT RGB
OS
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit

Old Build:
Case
GAMING CASE MID TOWER CORSAIR iCUE 5000X RGB
CPU
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 Core (4,2 Ghz/V-CACHE da 144 MB con 3D/AM5)
Motherboard
GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2 (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6E)
RAM
DDR5 Corsair VENGEANCE 5600 MHz 64 GB (2 da 32 GB)
GPU
NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4080 SUPER da 16 GB - HDMI, DP, LHR
1o drive SSD M.2
PSU
CORSAIR 850 W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD
CPU Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE LCD XT RGB
Thermal past
ARCTIC MX-4
Audio
INTEGRATED HD AUDIO 5.1
LAN 2.5Gbe
Ports
MIN. 2 PORTS USB 3.0 & 2 PORTS USB 2.0 @ REAR PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PANEL

Im considering even the same configuration with RTX 4090, but Im not sure because you need a 1000W PSU vs the above 850W (+power consumption, +heat...) and of course because +800€...


Thanks in advance.
Last edited by NicShadow_IT; Jul 25, 2024 @ 9:35am
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Rod Jul 20, 2024 @ 11:12am 
1 7950x over 7800x3d wasted money


2 budget mobo lacking pcie 5.0 but premium brand?!

3 wrong ram. 64g 5600mhz over 6000mhz c30!?!?!?!

4 only h100i cooler and planned 7950x




You picked a good case and graphics card and power supply. Add 7800x3d and x670e tomahawk wifi or wait for x870e. Get 32gb ram 6000mhz expo and get a 280mm aio. If you really want stock 5600mhz at least get the CL28.
Last edited by Rod; Jul 20, 2024 @ 11:18am
NicShadow_IT Jul 20, 2024 @ 2:05pm 
Originally posted by Rod:
1 7950x over 7800x3d wasted money


2 budget mobo lacking pcie 5.0 but premium brand?!

3 wrong ram. 64g 5600mhz over 6000mhz c30!?!?!?!

4 only h100i cooler and planned 7950x




You picked a good case and graphics card and power supply. Add 7800x3d and x670e tomahawk wifi or wait for x870e. Get 32gb ram 6000mhz expo and get a 280mm aio. If you really want stock 5600mhz at least get the CL28.
Mh, thanks, I will check for your suggestions!
So IYO better faster RAM then more RAM. Ok.
Rod Jul 20, 2024 @ 2:15pm 
Originally posted by NicShadow_IT:
Originally posted by Rod:
1 7950x over 7800x3d wasted money


2 budget mobo lacking pcie 5.0 but premium brand?!

3 wrong ram. 64g 5600mhz over 6000mhz c30!?!?!?!

4 only h100i cooler and planned 7950x




You picked a good case and graphics card and power supply. Add 7800x3d and x670e tomahawk wifi or wait for x870e. Get 32gb ram 6000mhz expo and get a 280mm aio. If you really want stock 5600mhz at least get the CL28.
Mh, thanks, I will check for your suggestions!
So IYO better faster RAM then more RAM. Ok.

1:1 ratio ram is best latency performance. 32gb is best. So to keep 1:1 ratio you can not exceed 6000mhz. 5600mhz is default 6000mhz is an overclock via EXPO which is the same as XMP. So we want 32gb 6000mhz expo ram with the lowest cas latency 28 or 30.
NicShadow_IT Jul 21, 2024 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by Rod:
Originally posted by NicShadow_IT:
Mh, thanks, I will check for your suggestions!
So IYO better faster RAM then more RAM. Ok.

1:1 ratio ram is best latency performance. 32gb is best. So to keep 1:1 ratio you can not exceed 6000mhz. 5600mhz is default 6000mhz is an overclock via EXPO which is the same as XMP. So we want 32gb 6000mhz expo ram with the lowest cas latency 28 or 30.
Ok, thanks.
About the CPU, if I undestand well, you are saying that a Rayzen 7 7800x3d + for ex a iCUE H115i RGB ELITE Liquid CPU Cooler is a better solution?
Tonepoet Jul 21, 2024 @ 5:17am 
I'd possibly wait until the RTX 5000 series cards to be released before committing to such a high end G.P.U., particularly since we are on the tail end of the 4000 series' relevance. Rumors expect it sometime around Spring 2025 last time I checked. It'd just be better from a performance stance at the same price, or a better bargain at the same performance.

Consult your parts list on P.C. part picker. You can set the region to Italy there. There are only a couple of online vendors they consider, but it still gives you some idea of what parts you might be able to buy online locally

First, I'd normally just advise buying the cheapest version of whatever card you're looking to buy. Maybe this high up the stack you might consider specialist water cooled versions of the card but you're a first timer and nobody wants a leaky computer.

Also, an RTX 4090 is better than a 4080 super, but it's well past the point of diminishing returns. If you're not absolutely sure you want it, and have to be even just somewhat price conscious then you probably shouldn't be getting it. Besides, with this calibur of computer you need to set aside funds for a good, high perf. monitor, otherwise what's the point of building so high up? If you feel like you have a thousand euro burning a hole in your pocket, spend it on the LG 32GS95UE UltraGear O.L.E.D.[www.amazon.it], not building up from a 4080 super to a 4090. A 4080 super will almost certainly do what you need it to do, if not more.

The cheapest version of the RTX 4080 Super seems to be the PNY Vertro GeForce™ RTX 4080 SUPER[www.amazon.it]: 931,15€

Second, you want a power supply with a 12vhpwr connector, otherwise you're not going to be able to hook up your high end nvidia G.P.U. directly to it unless you buy an adapter cable, and if you're building a high end build from scratch, I think you should go for an A.T.X. 3.0 or 3.1 power supply anyway, especially since there are power excursion standards introduced in A.T.X. 3.0.[edc.intel.com] which determine how long your power supply should be able to handle spikes above its rated load, and the 4080 is a power hungry card, so that can be a bit of a concern. I think you should go with the Corsair RM850e[www.amazon.it] instead. Not only is it better but it is also cheaper (based on amazon.it pricing) and more future proof.

Processor is hard to comment upon. What do you plan on doing with this computer? If it's just gaming, 7800x3D[www.amazon.it] for 390€ is the best option. There's flaws with how A.M.D. implemented the v-cache on the 7950x3D so it doesn't necessarily perform as well in games. If you have other processor heavy workloads you might be better off getting a Ryzen 9000 series C.P.U. near the end of the month. 9000 series might also be more appealing contingent on actual pricing, but we won't know that until post-launch.

You probably want Corsair Vengence® 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 DRAM 6000MT/s CL30[www.corsair.com] for this system. 120 euro seems like a fair price for that R.A.M.

Personally, I think you can do just fine with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE A.R.G.B.[www.amazon.it] for a C.P.U. cooler. Has plenty of headroom for cooling a 7800x3D, which only has 120w T.D.P. and saves you a fair bit of money you can use to buy games. Routing tubing is a pain in the butt anyway and if the A.I.O. leaks it's going to cause problems.

Strictlly speaking you probably don't need to buy thermal paste. Your C.P.U. cooler will likely either come with some preapplied, or a little tube of the stuff in the case of the Peerless Assassin. I suppose high perf. thermal paste can't do anything but help though. Still,

Artic MX6[www.amazon.it] is supposed to be better than MX4 according to Artic. It might not be as easy to spread, but maybe spend a minute trying to spread it with the edge of a credit card or spudger if you're worried about that?

I'd say buy a Teamgroup MP44L[www.amazon.it] for the S.S.D.

No comment on the case or motherboard selection.
Last edited by Tonepoet; Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:14am
Rod Jul 21, 2024 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by NicShadow_IT:
Originally posted by Rod:

1:1 ratio ram is best latency performance. 32gb is best. So to keep 1:1 ratio you can not exceed 6000mhz. 5600mhz is default 6000mhz is an overclock via EXPO which is the same as XMP. So we want 32gb 6000mhz expo ram with the lowest cas latency 28 or 30.
Ok, thanks.
About the CPU, if I undestand well, you are saying that a Rayzen 7 7800x3d + for ex a iCUE H115i RGB ELITE Liquid CPU Cooler is a better solution?

Better than the 7950x and h100i. Thats the setup i bought with 4000d case. Its the fastest gaming cpu. Corsair shift 1000w would be another choice in the 5000d.


You can use the corsair sites pc builder to see it fits as well. The other poster was right you need a atx 3.0 psu with the 16pin connector.
PopinFRESH Jul 21, 2024 @ 8:02am 
I'd concur mostly with Tonepot's post.

On the PC Specialist site go to their amd-am5-pc customizer page.

CASE: Corsair 5000D
CPU: 7800X3D
Motherboard: Asus Prime X670-P
RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR5 6000Mhz (2x 16GB)
GPU: Geforce RTX 4080 Super (or 4090 if you really want it; concur its diminishing returns on the price difference)
1st M.2 SSD: 2TB Samsung 990 Pro PCIe 4.0 (4TB if your budget allows)
Additional Storage: Add additional disks if you need more storage
PSU: Corsair 1000W RMx PSU (They only offer Corsair PSUs; so you'll need to also get the cable kit for the "40 series" as well)
Braided PSU Cable: Corsair Premium Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro (40 series) in whatever color you want
CPU Cooling: iCUE Link H115i or H150i
TIM: Arctic MX-4
Extra Case Fans: I'd probably do one of the 3x case fans for the other fan mounts in the 5000D which aren't populated by the AIO

Get rid of the Norton 360 "game optimizer" option and either use Windows Defender or something like ESET.

I used the UK site so its in english so pricing and options might be slightly different but from what I could tell on the Italy site it looks to be pretty much equivalent options.
Last edited by PopinFRESH; Jul 21, 2024 @ 8:03am
NicShadow_IT Jul 21, 2024 @ 10:34am 
Originally posted by PopinFRESH:
I'd concur mostly with Tonepot's post.

On the PC Specialist site go to their amd-am5-pc customizer page.

CASE: Corsair 5000D
CPU: 7800X3D
Motherboard: Asus Prime X670-P
RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR5 6000Mhz (2x 16GB)
GPU: Geforce RTX 4080 Super (or 4090 if you really want it; concur its diminishing returns on the price difference)
1st M.2 SSD: 2TB Samsung 990 Pro PCIe 4.0
Additional Storage: Add additional disks if you need more storage
PSU: Corsair 1000W RMx PSU (They only offer Corsair PSUs; so you'll need to also get the cable kit for the "40 series" as well)
Braided PSU Cable: Corsair Premium Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro (40 series) in whatever color you want
CPU Cooling: iCUE Link H115i or H150i
TIM: Arctic MX-4
Extra Case Fans: I'd probably do one of the 3x case fans for the other fan mounts in the 5000D which aren't populated by the AIO

Get rid of the Norton 360 "game optimizer" option and either use Windows Defender or something like ESET.

I used the UK site so its in english so pricing and options might be slightly different but from what I could tell on the Italy site it looks to be pretty much equivalent options.
Thanks I will check it!

PS: A MB PCIe 5.0 with a SSD 4.0?
Last edited by NicShadow_IT; Jul 21, 2024 @ 10:51am
PopinFRESH Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:07am 
Originally posted by NicShadow_IT:
Originally posted by PopinFRESH:
I'd concur mostly with Tonepot's post.

On the PC Specialist site go to their amd-am5-pc customizer page.

CASE: Corsair 5000D
CPU: 7800X3D
Motherboard: Asus Prime X670-P
RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR5 6000Mhz (2x 16GB)
GPU: Geforce RTX 4080 Super (or 4090 if you really want it; concur its diminishing returns on the price difference)
1st M.2 SSD: 2TB Samsung 990 Pro PCIe 4.0
Additional Storage: Add additional disks if you need more storage
PSU: Corsair 1000W RMx PSU (They only offer Corsair PSUs; so you'll need to also get the cable kit for the "40 series" as well)
Braided PSU Cable: Corsair Premium Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro (40 series) in whatever color you want
CPU Cooling: iCUE Link H115i or H150i
TIM: Arctic MX-4
Extra Case Fans: I'd probably do one of the 3x case fans for the other fan mounts in the 5000D which aren't populated by the AIO

Get rid of the Norton 360 "game optimizer" option and either use Windows Defender or something like ESET.

I used the UK site so its in english so pricing and options might be slightly different but from what I could tell on the Italy site it looks to be pretty much equivalent options.
Thanks I will check it!

PS: A MB PCIe 5.0 with a SSD 4.0?

Yeah :/ there isn't a very large selection of PCIe Gen5 SSDs as of yet and I didn't see any on their customizer; so I'm not sure if they offer any Gen5 models. If they do have a decent Gen5 SSD that is in your budget than I'd certainly do that instead.

Actually, I just double checked on the Italy/EU site and they have the Crucial T705 Gen5 NVMe SSD in 1TB, 2TB, or 4TB options. I'd go with one of those.
Rod Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by NicShadow_IT:
Originally posted by PopinFRESH:
I'd concur mostly with Tonepot's post.

On the PC Specialist site go to their amd-am5-pc customizer page.

CASE: Corsair 5000D
CPU: 7800X3D
Motherboard: Asus Prime X670-P
RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengance DDR5 6000Mhz (2x 16GB)
GPU: Geforce RTX 4080 Super (or 4090 if you really want it; concur its diminishing returns on the price difference)
1st M.2 SSD: 2TB Samsung 990 Pro PCIe 4.0
Additional Storage: Add additional disks if you need more storage
PSU: Corsair 1000W RMx PSU (They only offer Corsair PSUs; so you'll need to also get the cable kit for the "40 series" as well)
Braided PSU Cable: Corsair Premium Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro (40 series) in whatever color you want
CPU Cooling: iCUE Link H115i or H150i
TIM: Arctic MX-4
Extra Case Fans: I'd probably do one of the 3x case fans for the other fan mounts in the 5000D which aren't populated by the AIO

Get rid of the Norton 360 "game optimizer" option and either use Windows Defender or something like ESET.

I used the UK site so its in english so pricing and options might be slightly different but from what I could tell on the Italy site it looks to be pretty much equivalent options.
Thanks I will check it!

PS: A MB PCIe 5.0 with a SSD 4.0?

That depends on choice. Personally i went with the X670e Tomahawk Wifi to get pcie 5.0 and ssd 5.0. Why? Because of unreal engine stutter and historical stuff like batman arkham asylum on a hdd.


Direct storage and a 14000mb ssd would be a good upgrade in the future. It may matter in certain games. Is it worth risking it?


X870 is out 20th sept and will have pcie 5.0 and ssd 5.0 as standard with wifi7 and usb 4.0.
Last edited by Rod; Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:08am
smokerob79 Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:11am 
32gb is the sweet spot because of the memory chip stack and the fact DDR5 is running a 128bit bus.....would also agree with the rest of them that the 7950X3d is a waste over the 7800X3d IF ONLY GAMING.....the 7950X3d is worth it if you are doing other production level things like video editing and so on but for gaming ALONE there is almost no gain over the 7800x3d.....

on the motherboard I would upgrade to one with the newest specs you can to keep you going longer.....its AMD and you have good odds there will be releases of new CPU's on the platform for the next 5 years....getting the best mother now means you do only a CPU upgrade in a few years without replacing the motherboard.....this is a place i would spend the extra 50 to a 100 bucks now.....

4090 is a waste..... I say this as I got my 3080 for free from someone that upgraded to a 4090.....we had a 4080 side by side with his 4090 at one point and there was just not much there when most games could not do anything with the extra horse power.....

last i would look at other power supplies....in 20 years of building PC's i keep having problems with CORSAIR even when its a tear 1 rated PSU from them.....SEASONIC and SUPERFLOWER power supplies i never have issues with....I have a 14 year old superflower that has been hit by lighting 3 times that still works.....the first time it was hit my monitor and printer were killed but the PC lived on!!!!! i have seen 300 dollar platinum PSU from corsair die in less then 2 years......
PopinFRESH Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:14am 
Originally posted by Rod:
Originally posted by NicShadow_IT:
Thanks I will check it!

PS: A MB PCIe 5.0 with a SSD 4.0?

That depends on choice. Personally i went with the X670e Tomahawk Wifi to get pcie 5.0 and ssd 5.0. Why? Because of unreal engine stutter and historical stuff like batman arkham asylum on a hdd.


Direct storage and a 14000mb ssd would be a good upgrade in the future. It may matter in certain games. Is it worth risking it?


X870 is out 20th sept and will have pcie 5.0 and ssd 5.0 as standard with wifi7 and usb 4.0.

I think he was asking more that I recommended a Gen4 SSD when the motherboard I noted on their build site has one PCIe Gen5 x4 M.2 slot from the CPU along with the one PCIe Gen5 x16 for the GPU.

When I was checking on their UK site I didn't see that they had any Gen5 SSD offerings but on the Italy site they have the Crucial T705 which is a good Gen5 SSD.

I'd concur if you are building a decently high-end rig like the OP is looking at I'd definitely get a sufficiently large PCIe Gen5 SSD for the OS and most of my actively played games; especially any upcoming games (UE5 or otherwise) that will more likely be supporting Direct Storage / RTXIO.
r.linder Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:18am 
Wait another 10 days for Ryzen 9000 series to release, the 9950X will be comparable in gaming performance to the 7950X3D but faster in everything else
PopinFRESH Jul 21, 2024 @ 11:26am 
Originally posted by smokerob79:
32gb is the sweet spot because of the memory chip stack and the fact DDR5 is running a 128bit bus.....would also agree with the rest of them that the 7950X3d is a waste over the 7800X3d IF ONLY GAMING.....the 7950X3d is worth it if you are doing other production level things like video editing and so on but for gaming ALONE there is almost no gain over the 7800x3d.....

on the motherboard I would upgrade to one with the newest specs you can to keep you going longer.....its AMD and you have good odds there will be releases of new CPU's on the platform for the next 5 years....getting the best mother now means you do only a CPU upgrade in a few years without replacing the motherboard.....this is a place i would spend the extra 50 to a 100 bucks now.....

4090 is a waste..... I say this as I got my 3080 for free from someone that upgraded to a 4090.....we had a 4080 side by side with his 4090 at one point and there was just not much there when most games could not do anything with the extra horse power.....

last i would look at other power supplies....in 20 years of building PC's i keep having problems with CORSAIR even when its a tear 1 rated PSU from them.....SEASONIC and SUPERFLOWER power supplies i never have issues with....I have a 14 year old superflower that has been hit by lighting 3 times that still works.....the first time it was hit my monitor and printer were killed but the PC lived on!!!!! i have seen 300 dollar platinum PSU from corsair die in less then 2 years......

I'd concur with Seasonic PSUs being great; but the site the OP is looking at ordering from only lists Corsair PSUs in their build options. I personally won't buy Corsair things because I had an AX1600i fail after 3 years, well within their 10 year warranty, and because it was during a PSU parts shortage what they offered me as my only option for warranty replacement was an HX1200i; which is no where near similar in any way to the AX1600i. But I'm able to realize that it is my personal anecdote and if that is the best/only option available for someone else, they aren't generally bad PSUs.

On that note; @OP it might be worth calling PC Specialist to see if they might be able to order either a Seasonic Vertex PX 1000W or a Seasonic Prime TX ATX3.0 1300W. If they can't the Corsair HXi 1000 is still a decent PSU.
NicShadow_IT Jul 21, 2024 @ 12:33pm 
Uh, thanks.
1 thing: are you suggesting to replace the "standard" 850W PSU, with a 1000-1300W PSU? Pro?
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