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But as suggested, I could choose a recent MOBO planning an upgrade later...
I bet you a 7800x3d system is confortable on an 850w. But they cost a lot the seasonic vetex is more than the corsair shift 1000w. Why not the shift is that an option?
The main flaw of 7000X3D is that it clocks lower so whenever the extra L3 cache doesn't help performance, the lower clocks can make it slower than non-X3D. So the 7950X can easily outpace the 7950X3D, but the 9950X3D with OC support could easily keep up in performance whenever 3D cache can't boost performance.
There's no real point in buying any CPU right this minute until we see what 9000 series can really do.
Nic doesn’t need a full thousand watt power supply.
PNY only recommends a 750 watt P.S.U.[www.pny.com] for the 4080 Super Vertro based on a 5900x. Going with an 850 watt power supply kind of makes sense because that’s what Nvidia recommends, although I reckon that’s based off of a more power hungry processor.
A 7800x3D only consumes 15 watts more than a 5900x. Even going by the Asus power supply table[dlcdnets.asus.com] which shows its expected processor tiers, the recommendation for a 4080 super and a Ryzen 9 or i9 is only 850 watts.
The power supply you recommend is 147,30€[www.amazon.it] as a baseline value or 176€ once we factor in the cost of the additional 29€ 12vhpwr cable[www.corsair.com], which can be bought separately from the cable kit. The one I mentioned is 90 euro.
Now I understand there’s a certain wisdom to overspeccing the supply so you don’t have to replace it later down the line, and I don’t necessarily see the need to cheap out on a power supply if we’re not given a budget and Nic is mulling over maybe buying an RTX 4090, which is at least an order of magnitude more expensive than even the most expensive power supplies on the market. However, budget isn’t just a consideration of absolute cost, but also what we get for what we spend. If we are going to be spending almost 180€ for a power supply we might as well be getting all of our money’s worth out of it in terms of feature set, and it’s not true that they only have corsair P.S.Us. in Italy.
We’re looking at a 179 euro Be Quiet Pure Power 12M 1200[www.amazon.it] watt supply, which will last through more upgrade cycles since it’s a 1200 watt supply, or a Be Quiet BN338 for 173[www.amazon.it].
Be Quiet isn’t quite a tippy-top tier brand like Corsair, but it’s trustworthy enough that you expect them to deliver what’s advertised and it’s probably going to run quieter (since that’s the brand’s specialty) and these are still A.T.X. 3.0 compliant power supplies that come with the 12vhpwr cable. The
Given that even just 850 watts is probably quite high enough and power supplies typically grow less efficient if you run them under 50% load (it’s basically a bell curve), if Nic wants to spend the extra cash, I’d say he should get the 1000w BN338 ‘cause whereas a gold rated power supply is up to 90% efficient, a platinum rated supply is at least 89% efficient, and up to ~94% efficient, saving money on the power bill in the long run over the gold rated one.
If you’re interested in productivity, you should be considering a Ryzen 9000 series chips. They’re due out soon and while by A.M.D’s. own admission[www.pcgamesn.com], they won’t be quite as good as a 7800x3D for playing games, they should be quite close, and they’ll be way better at any productivity task than a 3D v-cache chip, which compromises clock speed to accommodate the thermally sensitive v-cache.
The M.S.R.P. of the 9900x is going to be $400[www.neogaf.com] going by U.S. pricing, which is about where the 7800x3D is priced right now.
Given that 9000 series chips are due out at the end of the month as announced at computex, and we’re already receiving reports of retailers getting their inventory[videocardz.com], I’d probably be speccing out a Ryzen 99X0x build over a Ryzen 7XX0x3D build if I was concerned about productivity.
If it’s just for games though, 7800x3D will remain top tier until 9XX0x3D chips are released and that won’t be until at least a few months later down the line if you’re looking to buy a system right now.
unless you are going with a 4090 i would not be after anything over a 1000watt PSU and even this is still over kill for a 4080 build....(i know people with 1000watt PSUs on a 4090 with no issues but it depends on the 4090 used)
on the SSD's GEN 5 is not really needed at this time....gen 4 is running 7500mb all day long on the most common drives right now and without a lot of other crazy hardware you wont be able to fully support gen 5 at this time.....you will need a lighting 40gb connection to external drives that will also have to be gen 5's.....
what I would do (me myself and i) is get a 512gb sata based SSD for windows itself and then find a 2tb or what ever size you want for your everything drive in a m.2 gen 4 version.....you can also do a second M.2 drive with the OS but this takes up a M.2 slot.....the reason....having everything on a single drive even a super fast gen 5 drive slows things down.....myself i have run windows on my gen 3 1tb and 2tb gen 4....on both drives it cut down their read and write speeds by as much as 2000mb a second on the gen 4......throwing in my old samsung 256gb sata based SSD's got both of them back to their advertised speeds with the gen 4 showing 300mb faster read speeds then even the claimed speeds on the box.....on gen 5 there are many posts out there showing they come close to losing 4000mb a second in read speeds with some going as far as losing 7000mb a second just from having windows and everything on one drive.....
doing a small OS drive also means you can reinstall windows without backing up all your massive files....in the US its 30 dollars for a 512gb SATA drive and 35 dollars for a 512gb M.2.....
now for the CPU......YOU should research the program your using for the 3d models and see what the forms say.....you may find the 7800x3d is still fine pick if you can wait a extra 30 seconds or something....again as you said you are not a pro but you can always upgrade....(again do your research....you may still want the 7950x3d)
and upgrading leads me back to the point on getting a better motherboard when you build.....yes i am telling you to skip gen 5 SSD drive AT THIS TIME BUT i am NOT telling you to skip getting a gen 5 ready motherboard.....having it means you are better off down the road as you should want your invest to last....at least i would....and dropping down from a massive PSU should keep you in the same budget....
in closing its really not hard to build it yourself....many videos on how to build out there....you could save 100's as well.....like buying a thermalright peerless assassin but not the SE version.....i have the frost tower that is the peerless assassin with better fans and love it for temps and the fact it was 38 dollar US with shipping.....but you may not be able to get thermalright parts in your region.....
10 days is only 6⅔% of 150 days so you've waited over 90% of the way there, and we're just talking about having access to the latest stuff available in the immediate near future, not waiting infinitely because there's always new stuff 'round the corner, or at least saving some cash on the 7800x3D when demand for it is necessarily lowered as a consequence of new chips being released.
If you need a new computer, getting 9000 series chips immediately after release is likely the best overall bargain. I mean, I can understand not wanting wait even more months for the 9XX0x3d chips to release, but patience is a virtue my friend.
But it really all depends on your application. If it's just a gaming computer, then you should get a 7800x3D 'cause that's the best part for the task available, 9000 series chips or not.
I think you are missing the fact the OP is looking specifically at PC Specialist[www.pcspecialist.it] which is an EU builder. I'm specifically looking at their website on their system builder in regards to what I recommended from what they list as available parts. I'm not saying only Corsair PSUs are offered in Italy, I'm saying all that PC Specialists lists on their site is Corsair PSUs.
What you're suggesting is like calling up Dell to order a PC and saying you want to order it with a BeQuiet PSU and MSI motherboard; they don't sell those products they sell Dell products.
As I noted in my previous post, if they are going to see if PC Specialists can offer a non-Corsair PSU, I'd be recommending to look at a SeaSonic Vertex or Prime series; and if that pushes too far into the budget I'd look at their Focus series. The only reason I suggested the 1300W for the Prime is because they don't make a Prime TX 1000W any more when they refreshed them for ATX3.0 / PCIe Gen5 spec.
Also, personally it doesn't make sense to me to skimp on the PSU to save 40 - 50 euro when you're looking at a 3000+ euro build. I don't think they need more than a 1000W PSU, but I'd be looking at a 1000W PSU for the budget range and hardware being looked at to allow more flexibility in upgrade/expansions later as well as it being able to handle higher transient spikes without tripping OCP, OPP, etc.
I want a new PC.
I want a new PC.
And I want it NOW.
Or, at least I wanted it before reading your suggestions, I really wanted a new PC before august, before holidays, before probably most of the vendors will close for the holidays...
And now...
You are saying to me I have to wait...
I hate ALL of you.
But thanks for all your suggestions :)
About BeQuiet, true, PCSpecialist offer just Corsair PSUs, but there is the option for a BeQuiet case... What do you think, it will help to reduce PC noise?
If you get either of those AIO coolers and a couple of the additional case fans you can set fan curves for them and it should be relatively quite already. The BeQuiet cases aren't bad but out of the options they had on the configurator I think the 5000D is probably the best option for airflow/cooling. Some of them come with a bit of sound mat built in but I'd have to double check the model they had listed on there for the BeQuiet to see what it has. I don't think it was either version of the DarkBase Pro which is their best case in my opinion. I think most of the cases they have on there have been reviewed/tested by Gamers Nexus so it might be worth going to his YouTube channel and searching for the case models and watching the reviews on them.
I did also see that it looked like they have the option for you to send them your own case for a build. So you could also probably get whatever case you wanted along with whatever PSU and have them do your build in that; but I'd suspect that would likely take longer to get.
Also, GN noted in their recent video that they still haven't got an official embargo date/time for the 9000 series but said they will have an initial review ready on launch day (the 31st) or a few days early if the embargo is lifted prior. They still didn't have pricing on them yet either. In regards to performance; AMD's first party bench marks have them roughly 16% faster but they weren't comparing "apples to apples" in their current model stack. So hopefully there will be 3rd party benchmarks published at launch if you do decide to wait.
Oh, P.C. specialists just strikes me as such a generic name I thought he was working with some local freelancer.
Well in that case that's maybe understandable, but…
Oh, well then…[objection.lol]
Anyway, y'know you're going to have to wait either way. It's going to possibly weeks just for your system builder to get back to you, and weeks or even months more just to ship the system from I don't know where. Plus it took him 5 months just to get you a quote didn't it? >_>
If you're really that impatient, you'd order the parts locally from Amazon.it, build the system yourself and have the system ready to build yourself in two or so days flat via Prime Shipping, and save yourself some cash.
Cash you can use to buy a cheaper 7600x processor in the meantime to get you up 'n running until the Ryzen 9000 C.P.Us. arrive, that can then be flipped on ebay in used like-new condition for minimal loss 'cause it's the cheapest processor on the market. Maybe give somebody a solid 50 euro discount and consider it a rush delivery fee.
Just be sure not to activate Windows until after you chance the processors 'cause Microsoft keeps track of how many times you upgrade a system,
Does it sound stupid? Yeah. A 7 day upgrade cycle is asinine, but I mean, just compare the price to whatever your system builder is charging:
[jlist]
Permanent 9900x: ~400€?
If you build it yourself, that's 2170€ for everything, including both C.P.Us.
Looking at pcspecialist.co.uk (I can't read Italian, sorry). Their cheapest 4080 system is 3.200€ for a single system. Granted, it's from their watercooled line, but also they make you get the watercooled P.C. when you get a 4080 for some reason. And like, the C.P.U. cooler they give you costs 210€[www.amazon.it], and you'd take 30€ off of my given price since you wouldn't be buying a peerless assassin. So they're charging you like, an 850€ premium on everything they give you unless the price is different on the it website.
Way more than enough to subsidize the cost of a 7600x for a P.C. you can build in two days instead of waiting god only knows knows how long on them and have something you can be kind of proud of when you look at it, 'cause you made it yourself.
But not too proud 'cause everything's kind of easy to put together and modularized.
You can also save money on GPU: AMD 7800xt.
Getting a 1000W PSU for a 6th gen. gaming machine is not outside norms.. This is the HEART of your machine and over-provisioning means longer life.
Windows Defender is the least intrusive and least occupying PC hardware.
You're looking at the wrong system in the builder. They do have regular AMD AM5 systems you can build out with a 4080 or 4090 that are not "water cooled" as in a custom/open loop. They do use corsair AIOs as recommended options though.
Also the OP "waiting 5 months" wasn't talking about this site. That was waiting for some other local builder to give him a quote for a build; which he gave up on and started looking a pre-built options like Alienwares. We discussed not getting an Alienware in another thread and noted some other System Integrators to look into that may service his location and he found PC Specialist that offers custom builds with relatively quick build times. The build I put together noted previously was something like 3495€ and had a 3 - 5 working day build time and a 6 working day insured crate delivery time; so he'd get it in roughly 2.5 - 3 weeks from when he places his order.