Windows 7 support has ended

[Bobalazs]

Google chrome will be supported until end of this year, and that is good news for windows 7 users, and possibly is hope for extended steam support.

[FMP]

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https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/how-to-get-extended-security-updates-for-eligible-windows/ba-p/917807

I'll refer you to a very specific paragraph you should have read at the beginning of the thing you just linked.

I'll refer you to your very specific statement.

That's all over and nobody has to pay for security updates, they just don't exist period.

But it's not all over, they do exist and companies do have to pay for them.

[Kaldaien]

Początkowo opublikowane przez ChillCore:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/windows/end-of-windows-7-support

For users of Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7 Enterprise, you can purchase extended security updates through January 2023. For an in-depth FAQ about Windows 7 extended security updates, please download the Windows 7 and Office 2010 End of Support FAQ.

Anyhoo ... the 'force' is strong in this one.

Agreed :) It could not be written any more clearly by the only two license categories eligible.

[Kaldaien]

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I'll refer you to a very specific paragraph you should have read at the beginning of the thing you just linked.

I'll refer you to your statement

That's all over and nobody has to pay for security updates, they just don't exist period.

But it's not all over, they do exist and companies do have to pay for them.

Companies != users, ignore Citizen's United for a second :)

[Satoru]

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Companies != users, ignore Citizen's United for a second :)

Note your constant shifting and inconsistent wording isnt really helping you case and is just confusing people tbh.


Just so other people arent ultra confused

1) Support for normal users is over, there is no extension, and there is no way to pay for extended support

2) Enterprise customers who are already paying an arm and a leg already for things like Software Assurance can purchase even more expensive per-computer support for Windows 7 for up to 3 years

[ChillCore]

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/windows/end-of-windows-7-support



Anyhoo ... the 'force' is strong in this one.

Agreed :) It could not be written any more clearly by the only two license categories eligible.

Meanwhile microsoft is still pushing security updates for us plebs as they have done for XP users untill not so long ago, despite extended support only being for enterprises and payed for.

[FMP]

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I'll refer you to your statement

That's all over and nobody has to pay for security updates, they just don't exist period.

But it's not all over, they do exist and companies do have to pay for them.

Companies != users, ignore Citizen's United for a second :)

Enterprise users were eligible for extended support, this was not a matter of Microsoft wanting users to pay more, but just a sort of obligation to support legacy business operations. That's all over and nobody has to pay for security updates, they just don't exist period.

& Enterprise users != users but Enterprise users = companies.

[ChillCore]

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Companies != users, ignore Citizen's United for a second :)

Note your constant shifting of wording isnt really helping you case and is just confusing people tbh.

Agreed.

[Satoru]

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Agreed :) It could not be written any more clearly by the only two license categories eligible.

Meanwhile microsoft is still pushing security updates for us plebs as they have done for XP users untill not so long ago, despite extended support only being for enterprises and payed for.

Functionally the only reason that happened was mostly because of Embedded XP systems that were still out in the wild and technically supported. The last embedded XP OS officially died in 2019, so there wont be any more out of band XP patches now that every possible XP OS that has ever existed is now officially totally dead.

If something really really catastrophically bad comes out for Win7, it might get published during the 3 year ESU period to the wider public. But once MS stops the ESU they'll kill windows 7 dead. While yes XP was supported for a very long time, that's now an anomaly expressly because supporting XP became a resource sink for the company. It never had any official sunset plan so any announcement of its end of support was a surprise and thus required MS to be more careful and extend it way more. Now Microsoft and pretty much all software OS vendors have a clearly laid out support plan and eventual death for their OS now. Meaning there is no longer any 'shock' that an OS is being deprecated and if you havent upgraded, well that's your problem not MS.

[Kaldaien]

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Companies != users, ignore Citizen's United for a second :)

Note your constant shifting and inconsistent wording isnt really helping you case and is just confusing people tbh.


Just so other people arent ultra confused

1) Support for normal users is over, there is no extension, and there is no way to pay for extended support

2) Enterprise customers who are already paying an arm and a leg already for things like Software Assurance can purchase even more expensive per-computer support for Windows 7 for up to 3 years

Yes, sorry. I thought it was clear by the individual that I originally replied to.

Let us be clear, my discussion was about the implications that Microsoft is giving an opt-out option in exchange for money that applies to anyone who would even be participating in this discussion.

Customers attempting to play games on Windows 7 on Steam are not volume licensees of Pro or Enterprise, at best they may have an overpriced Windows 7 Ultimate single-user license.

[Cat on Linux]

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Customers attempting to play games on Windows 7 on Steam are not volume licensees of Pro or Enterprise, at best they may have an overpriced Windows 7 Ultimate single-user license.

there's still chances to have funny licence if you purchased refurbished PC. my old workstation had Vista Business OEMact key, I believe if you'll buy similar workstation now you'll get Business edition for Windows 7 :)

[Satoru]

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Customers attempting to play games on Windows 7 on Steam are not volume licensees of Pro or Enterprise, at best they may have an overpriced Windows 7 Ultimate single-user license.

there's still chances to have funny licence if you purchased refurbished PC. my old workstation had Vista Business OEMact key, I believe if you'll buy similar workstation now you'll get Business edition for Windows 7 :)

You can’t just buy ESU

You basically have to be a partner or In Software Assurance it be at the level where you have mak keys.

You can’t get it just because you happen to have Windows 7 pro or Enterprise. They won’t sell it to you

Let’s say you can find a CSP to sell you a license. Ok fine but why would you. The cost is $50 for the first year, then $100, then $200. So somehow you’re going to pay $350 just to keep Windows 7 for 3 years after which it will be dead anyway and you’ll have to go to Windows 10

You’d have to be stupid to think this is a good idea

[Cat on Linux]

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there's still chances to have funny licence if you purchased refurbished PC. my old workstation had Vista Business OEMact key, I believe if you'll buy similar workstation now you'll get Business edition for Windows 7 :)

You can’t just buy ESU

You basically have to be a partner or In Software Assurance it be at the level where you have mak keys.

You can’t get it just because you happen to have Windows 7 pro or Enterprise. They won’t sell it to you

interesting. I've heard somewhere that you can unlock late updates even if you have no subscription. nut sure if it works tho.

[Satoru]

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You can’t just buy ESU

You basically have to be a partner or In Software Assurance it be at the level where you have mak keys.

You can’t get it just because you happen to have Windows 7 pro or Enterprise. They won’t sell it to you

interesting. I've heard somewhere that you can unlock late updates even if you have no subscription. nut sure if it works tho.

The odds are they are viruses designed to trick people so they can “keep using Windows 7”

Even if you saw the leakage of a VLK or MAK key, it only lasts a year meaning it will be revoked next year and you can bet MS knows which company it leaked from and will financially punish them such that that won’t happen again

[Cat on Linux]

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interesting. I've heard somewhere that you can unlock late updates even if you have no subscription. nut sure if it works tho.

The odds are they are viruses designed to trick people so they can “keep using Windows 7”

Even if you saw the leakage of a VLK or MAK key, it only lasts a year meaning it will be revoked next year and you can bet MS knows which company it leaked from and will financially punish them such that that won’t happen again

that's absolutely different world for me. using Linux for more than 10 years, never had to fear for future updates, especially security updates, and viruses. I do not understand why M$ can't at least give their customers updates, let it be just bare security thing. If they already create such updates for enterprise, let common user use it as well. whatta greedy bunch that M$

[Kaldaien]

Well, for one thing... Linux is just a kernel :)

Using Linux, you get no updates period. You may have an actual Operating System built using Linux, and the organization(s) behind that Operating System may provide you some sort of update path.

A lot of applications of Linux where updates are even a possibility are embedded (i.e. a TV) and whether those get updates is up to the proprietary software vendor. Generally speaking you probably should not expect a TV to have updates to the kernel inside of it providing its network stack 10 years into the future. Whatever security vulnerabilities are intrinsic to the Linux kernel part of this equation remain there indefinitely.