Do not allow AI games onto Steam.

[Eternal Echo]

Steam recently announced it was going to allow AI games onto its platform. Respectfully, do not allow AI games onto your platform in any capacity; it is nigh impossible for users to identify AI-generated materials en masse and the marketplace will be flooded with games that are barely games at all.

Quality control will go down the sink and you'll find players refunding their games left and right and outright refusing to buy new ones out of a well-earned fear of getting an AI turd.

Those who use AI are not forthcoming; they know that AI will turn off buyers and keep it a secret even from those who ask. I have asked developers about who drew their art and who then told me in private that it was AI generated and asked me to not tell anyone.

You will have a deluge of AI-generated games from developers who will not admit to using AI and in such large quantities that users cannot possibly identify them all and it will result in subpar, incomplete, and non-functional games by the dozen. Users will refund these aplenty if they're not already holding back on buying games because they're worried about buying AI drivel.

I urge Steam to immediately take back this decision. It may come across as an indecisive "flip-flop" but gamers and developers will be happy that you are listening to them and it will restore faith in the Steam brand before that faith is destroyed by AI games.

I hope you do this soon because I am of the opinion that I should probably move to Good Old Games if AI is allowed on this platform.

[Megamaw]

♥♥♥♥ VAVLE AND ♥♥♥♥ AI a écrit :

Megamaw a écrit :

i think you could say just about anything in a thread like this and get steam points, even a take as lukewarm as 'i think maybe i want games that people made'

sometimes people mean what they say and arent just looking for internet points. this is a discussion forum, not social media =P

i'm sorry, if you think frograven is being sincere, you might need to go outside and talk to real people a little more

[narwhals]

Megamaw a écrit :

♥♥♥♥ VAVLE AND ♥♥♥♥ AI a écrit :

sometimes people mean what they say and arent just looking for internet points. this is a discussion forum, not social media =P

i'm sorry, if you think frograven is being sincere, you might need to go outside and talk to real people a little more

well thank you for the backhanded advice if so, autism does make telling jokes and sarcasm from sincerity hard and so does text communication in general =] still i find getting the clown award funny just because i said 'ai bad and steals things' hahaaa

though i dont know how learning to pick up sarcasm through in-person conversation is supposed to help anyone, mental 'vergence or not, learn to pick it up in text form. theyre two totally different forms of communication, thus me calling your advice backhanded.

[davidb11]

Uh. Valve never said they're going to be allowing AI generated games, whatever that even means, to be on Steam. Seriously, how would that even work?
It would be like Krieger the 96K game. Dialed up to 11.



Also Wizards of the Coast only used AI That one time, and it backfired hard.
THey're never touching that again.

[Boblin the Goblin]

davidb11 a écrit :

Uh. Valve never said they're going to be allowing AI generated games, whatever that even means, to be on Steam. Seriously, how would that even work?
It would be like Krieger the 96K game. Dialed up to 11.



Also Wizards of the Coast only used AI That one time, and it backfired hard.
THey're never touching that again.

They updated their policy to allow AI games but they have to be marked as AI.

Before they didn't allow games with AI assets.

[davidb11]

SlowMango a écrit :

davidb11 a écrit :

Uh. Valve never said they're going to be allowing AI generated games, whatever that even means, to be on Steam. Seriously, how would that even work?
It would be like Krieger the 96K game. Dialed up to 11.



Also Wizards of the Coast only used AI That one time, and it backfired hard.
THey're never touching that again.

They updated their policy to allow AI games but they have to be marked as AI.

Before they didn't allow games with AI assets.

OH, okay.
Good grief.
THis is going to cause the floodgates to open.

[lx]

i dont mind, seeing valve shooting themselves in the foot.
nor anyone, who would fall likewise, for a product without quality.
its how they will learn the hard way... eventually... or never.

[William Shakesman]

frograven a écrit :

The only constant is change. You either adapt and go forward or get left behind.

AI gaming has the potential to take gaming to the next level.

I have faith in Value to vet games on Steam, properly, as they always have.

Valve went through years of failed attempts at vetting creating perverse incentives amongst several failed experiments before reaching the current state of a mostly functional front page hiding two thousand asset flips just beneath the surface. It is not a simple problem and I would be shocked if most Valve employees were satisfied with what they had except for a fully merited fear of DONT TOUCH IT DONT TRY ANY MORE CRAZY IDEAS.

Tito Shivan a écrit :

William Shakesman a écrit :

Buggy whip and horse saddle manufacturers complained about cars too, but changes like this are necessary to bring greater support to marginalized communities.

This isn't as much of a 'car' kind of invention, but more like a 'blockchain 2.0' kind of.
It's more sellable and more 'spectacular' than trying to sell a blockchain was, but it's not going to be this world changing tech jump.

Detroit used to be richer on every level than New York City. Doesn't always take a tech quantum leap to create a new generation of buggy whip manufacturers. Only a few paradigms need to be shaken to make that happen and AI or a combination of AI and other factors is certainly POSSIBLY enough.

[Oktay]

Well it's best you guys don't buy the ai generated games then.

[Eternal Echo]

San Fario a écrit :

Well it's best you guys don't buy the ai generated games then.

The issue is going to be telling them apart; many are very well aware that AI is a turn-off so they don't mention that they use it, leaving people to only discover it once they buy and play it, which leads to them refunding it and reporting it to Steam, and this headache is only going to repeat.

[Tito Shivan]

William Shakesman a écrit :

Only a few paradigms need to be shaken to make that happen and AI or a combination of AI and other factors is certainly POSSIBLY enough.

You can exchange AI with blockchain in that sentence and it works the same.

AI is a new technology. But it's not THE technology. I try to be wary of any kind of tech being sold as the solution for everything. That's usually just investor-talk.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Eternal Echo a écrit :

San Fario a écrit :

Well it's best you guys don't buy the ai generated games then.

The issue is going to be telling them apart; many are very well aware that AI is a turn-off so they don't mention that they use it, leaving people to only discover it once they buy and play it, which leads to them refunding it and reporting it to Steam, and this headache is only going to repeat.

Part of the new requirements is developers clearly labeling the game as containing AI assets/being AI generated.

[Eternal Echo]

SlowMango a écrit :

Eternal Echo a écrit :

The issue is going to be telling them apart; many are very well aware that AI is a turn-off so they don't mention that they use it, leaving people to only discover it once they buy and play it, which leads to them refunding it and reporting it to Steam, and this headache is only going to repeat.

Part of the new requirements is developers clearly labeling the game as containing AI assets/being AI generated.

Part of the headache we're going to face is that devs are going to try and cover up their use of AI because they know players don't want to buy it.

[Spawn of Totoro]

Eternal Echo a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

Part of the new requirements is developers clearly labeling the game as containing AI assets/being AI generated.

Part of the headache we're going to face is that devs are going to try and cover up their use of AI because they know players don't want to buy it.

Some players won't, but most will not care as long as they get a fun and entertaining game.

And if AI can be used to create or enhance such games, I don't see why it shouldn't be used.

[Megamaw]

76561198037659319 a écrit :

Megamaw a écrit :

i'm sorry, if you think frograven is being sincere, you might need to go outside and talk to real people a little more

well thank you for the backhanded advice if so, autism does make telling jokes and sarcasm from sincerity hard and so does text communication in general =] still i find getting the clown award funny just because i said 'ai bad and steals things' hahaaa

though i dont know how learning to pick up sarcasm through in-person conversation is supposed to help anyone, mental 'vergence or not, learn to pick it up in text form. theyre two totally different forms of communication, thus me calling your advice backhanded.

nah, i'm sorry, that was uncalled for on my part, you're right.

[Megamaw]

davidb11 a écrit :

Uh. Valve never said they're going to be allowing AI generated games, whatever that even means, to be on Steam. Seriously, how would that even work?
It would be like Krieger the 96K game. Dialed up to 11.



Also Wizards of the Coast only used AI That one time, and it backfired hard.
THey're never touching that again.

'wizards of the coast isnt going to step on any more rakes or trip on any more marbles'

nah they've been doing this for years lmao, if you've been paying attention to them for the last decade or so, especially the last two or so years, even if you think they can't fumble any harder than they just did, they'll find a way to impress you