Shade30Seven 2024 年 7 月 13 日 下午 10:41
Should private profiles even be allowed to post comments the forums?
Like for reals from what ive seen every time there's drama starting or something or complete disrespect 9 times out of 10 seems to come from a private profile!
I understand we all have an opinion but whats the reasoning for hiding the profile? Like why are you hiding it? Its gaming community lol I cant even take these people serious anymore lol!
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Crazy Tiger 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 9:46 
引用自 Shade30Seven
Also yes you do have the right to a privacy but you see since others like to compare the steam profile to RL
In RL you do not have the right to privacy in public, you can be approached, filmed, followed whatever you're in public. and see steam forums are public! that means we all have access to them! even those lost in the archives!
Do you see now why the steam profile really cant be compared to RL?
Again a false analogy... And wrong in every sense..

引用自 Shade30Seven
What needs to be shown private or not is the games you have and the hours you have on those games! i could care less about anything els
And you're still not owed that information if others don't want you to see it.

引用自 Shade30Seven
Also one more thing to add to this maybe it should cost money to make a steam account? cant we all agree here it might help keep the problems down? if an account costed 50 to 100 bucks to make, that would really cut down on the forum problems we are discussing and cheater problems in allot of these games.
All the sudden it becomes allot more expensive to make an alt account for cheating or trolling the forums, because now when the account gets perma banned well shucks there goes another 100 bucks!
And that is commercially not interesting for Valve. Or the game developers or publishers or the players. For nobody actually.

引用自 Shade30Seven
these are you're -public- forums private profile or not!
And even in public places people have privacy...
Gwarsbane 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 10:24 
引用自 Shade30Seven
I really dont like to report people because i believe in karma so i wouldn't want somebody reporting me because the feelings got hurt! over something i said! i believe that everybody has the right to express themselves as they see fit as long as its not harming anybody els! I just would prefer them to be doing it on the main profile private or not. Its a coward move to make an alt account to mask what you want to say on the main account! straight up nobody can deny that!

If people report you for something you said on the forums, nothing will happen to you unless what you said breaks the rules.

If you break the rules, then yes you should be reported.



引用自 Shade30Seven
Also yes you do have the right to a privacy but you see since others like to compare the steam profile to RL
In RL you do not have the right to privacy in public, you can be approached, filmed, followed whatever you're in public. and see steam forums are public! that means we all have access to them! even those lost in the archives!
Do you see now why the steam profile really cant be compared to RL?

If I walk up to you and ask you for your idea, you can tell me to get lost. So yes you do have a right to privacy while in public.

A company can ask you for your ID to verify you are of age to get into a bar or something like that but you also have the right to say no and walk away. But if you want in, or you want access to what they are doing and that requires your ID you need to give them that info. But again you can just say no and walk away.

You don't have to hand over your ID to anyone other then law enforcement and even they need an actual reason to ask you for your ID. You can say no to them, but then you also risk being detailed till they verify who you are.

But again if some random person who is not a police officer walks up to you and asks you for your idea, you can say no to them as you have a right to your privacy, even in public.


引用自 Shade30Seven
What needs to be shown private or not is the games you have and the hours you have on those games! i could care less about anything els.
I guess it really dont matter now because of that mouse icon you mention! Like you said nobody understands this! because i did not until today.

No they don't have to be shown and no the hours you have in them you do not have to show how much you have in them. That is private information that YOU do not need. I don't care if people see what games I have or how many hours in them, but others do care if people see what games they have and how many hours they have in them.

There are people who don't even think the mouse icon should exist. I personally don't care, because I know people can have a game on another platform or another account and be knowledgeable about that game. I also know that just because you have the icon doesn't mean you know squat about a game.


引用自 Shade30Seven
Also one more thing to add to this maybe it should cost money to make a steam account? cant we all agree here it might help keep the problems down? if an account costed 50 to 100 bucks to make, that would really cut down on the forum problems we are discussing and cheater problems in allot of these games.
All the sudden it becomes allot more expensive to make an alt account for cheating or trolling the forums, because now when the account gets perma banned well shucks there goes another 100 bucks!

And im not just talking to Dr.Shadowds this for everybody these are you're -public- forums private profile or not!

No this is a bad idea. People already complain about the 5 dollar minimum to add friends which has been the only thing that has drastically slowed down spam bot invites.

I do agree that people who have not put 5 bucks into Steam should be limited more on how much they can post in Steam and where they can post but even then those people do need the ability to ask questions before they buy a game.

As for people who want to keep their accounts private... they should not face any restrictions to posting just because they don't want to share their profile you with.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 10:41 
引用自 Shade30Seven
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
Well all can do is report their profile, and posts they make as support can see delete posts.

Please note that each game sub forum has their own rules, game devs can set their forums to game owners only, but it's up to the game dev rather if they do it this way, or not.

I really dont like to report people because i believe in karma so i wouldn't want somebody reporting me because the feelings got hurt! over something i said! i believe that everybody has the right to express themselves as they see fit as long as its not harming anybody els! I just would prefer them to be doing it on the main profile private or not. Its a coward move to make an alt account to mask what you want to say on the main account! straight up nobody can deny that!

Also yes you do have the right to a privacy but you see since others like to compare the steam profile to RL
In RL you do not have the right to privacy in public, you can be approached, filmed, followed whatever you're in public. and see steam forums are public! that means we all have access to them! even those lost in the archives!
Do you see now why the steam profile really cant be compared to RL?

What needs to be shown private or not is the games you have and the hours you have on those games! i could care less about anything els.
I guess it really dont matter now because of that mouse icon you mention! Like you said nobody understands this! because i did not until today.

Also one more thing to add to this maybe it should cost money to make a steam account? cant we all agree here it might help keep the problems down? if an account costed 50 to 100 bucks to make, that would really cut down on the forum problems we are discussing and cheater problems in allot of these games.
All the sudden it becomes allot more expensive to make an alt account for cheating or trolling the forums, because now when the account gets perma banned well shucks there goes another 100 bucks!

And im not just talking to Dr.Shadowds this for everybody these are you're -public- forums private profile or not!
Here the thing, I don't consider profiles exact same as Real Life, but doesn't mean people can't have privacy online that, same where people living in their own homes, has rights to having privacy in their homes. While there people that trolling, stalking, and harassments online and yes this is WAY more common than RL trolling, stalking, and harassments due to the fact it's way easier to do these things online, than doing it in RL that can get police involved that one of things should note.

If someone wants to share things, they share it, if not then oh well it's their right to that option if provided in the 1st place.

And reporting people is base on rules, has nothing to do with feelings, it's the fact if someone going out of their to break rules by trying to harm others, or cause nothing but problems then it's a given they should get report example scammers posting scam links, then got people trying to witchhunt without proof, or doxx as online harassment, and so on stuff like that is needed to be reported for these reasons. People having agurements isn't always case of getting into trouble unless it was done to flame others deliberately such as trolls.

Anyways like I said if topic is just opinion base, and all they have done is agure to not provide proof of claim, and such then why humor them it's a clear setup for flame baiting to troll. Got people doing it because they want to farm clown points from Steam, even on reddit people try to farm downvotes, or upvotes whatever case may be.

It's understandable asking people to provide proof, but can't be force agasint one own will, even on privacy, it may not matter how you think it is, but it does to others, as everyone has their own opinions online.



Lastly the price on account yeah doesn't work, GTA V when it was $60 tons of cheaters, same with Call of duty, Battlefield, and list goes on as it all cost money, like CSGO/2 their way to help filter out cheapers was prime, cheater stock up on accounts with prime paying $5 ~ $10 each without care in the world knowing they're not getting that money back, same with game like OverWatch before it went F2P, and game was sold for $20 ~ $40+ which again price isn't the issue, it the fact there always going to be cheaters, and these cheaters actually either download cheats that giving them virues, or paying for cheats online.
MAXE 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:06 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 M-A-X-E ™
Well I think it would be nice if you could make your Steam username Privat as in Anonymous to other people, so only your friends can see your true name on the profile !
You want a profile name for friends and another public one?
I'm not seeing the point of it.

And which one would steam use in-game?

引用自 Shade30Seven
but maybe the rules should be tightened up for the game forums for certain discussions like you need 50 hours in the game to unlock the discussions.
Limited accounts can only post on the gamehubs of games they own. And devs can decide to make a forum for game owners only.

Restricting the forums through playtime or achievements is a measure easily cirvunvented through game idlers and SAM. (programs to fake playing a game so your playtime increases and an achievement unlocker)

No I want that if you select to be Anonymous for personal reasons, you should be allowed to do so, so only your friends can see who you are ... same ingame !

In my case it could be useful so i dont get reported for nothing, just because my name is shown !

And your post historic should be anonymous so only Valve employees can read it and not public, because alot of morons on the forums abuse that in their arguments against you as a person, so they use something you have said against you, just to mock you with it !

So to bring order into this chaos on the forums, then my suggestions is suitable on a social media like this and ingame ..
Mad Scientist 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:24 
引用自 M-A-X-E ™
No I want that if you select to be Anonymous for personal reasons, you should be allowed to do so, so only your friends can see who you are ... same ingame !
"FRIENDS ONLY" is already an option, including for game details;
Game details: Friends Only
This category includes the list of all games on your Steam account, games you’ve wishlisted, your achievements and your playtime. This setting also controls whether you’re seen as "in-game" and the title of the game you are playing.

You can also hide specific games from displaying.

引用自 M-A-X-E ™
In my case it could be useful so i dont get reported for nothing, just because my name is shown !
You don't get reported merely for a name showing unless the display name violates the rules

引用自 M-A-X-E ™
And your post historic should be anonymous so only Valve employees can read it and not public, because alot of morons on the forums abuse that in their arguments against you as a person, so they use something you have said against you, just to mock you with it !
If it's relevant for Employees & Moderation then it's relevant for users, especially when people are posting in bad faith, have a history of posting false information, or demonstrate double-standards & hypocrisy. It's very relevant to see if a user is disingenuous especially if they're trying to hide their behavior & pretend they didn't do or say something when doing a lot of the same thing.

引用自 M-A-X-E ™
So to bring order into this chaos on the forums, then my suggestions is suitable on a social media like this and ingame ..
Not a social media site so that would be irrelevant. The rest already has options available you can use at any moment you like, already pre-existing as options.
Supafly 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 Shade30Seven
引用自 Supafly
If someone values their privacy they should NOT be penalised for it. Some on those you're describing have none private profiles too, often Alt accounts but still not private.

When I go to a bar or pub for a chat with some friends and strangers I don't go in with a board over my head telling them various things about me why is it such a bad idea when you do the same digitally? If you want to learn more about someone TALK to them and get to know them.

well i mean do you go in public with a bag over you're head?
Because that's basically what you're profile says about you! Case and point!

No I go around with my head visible. I don't go around with a sign over my head or a T-shirt that says stuff about me or any account I use. If someone wants to know that stuff they are more than welcome to talk with me. My profile is like this because nosy users can't poke around. Those that are on my Friends list can in fact see my profile.

If I walk into a shop without a sign saying anything about me I am allowed to talk to people, including staff. That give them the chance to learn details about me, details that I choose to share and when I choose to share it. If you don't like the fact some people value their privacy thats Tuff :poo: we are fully entitled to protect it regardless of your views on private users.
Spawn of Totoro 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:36 
引用自 Shade30Seven
I really dont like to report people because i believe in karma so i wouldn't want somebody reporting me because the feelings got hurt!
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Thing about karma is... if everyone simply waits for it, it will never happen. When something actually does happen, it is due to people making reports on the matter, not sitting there and letting it happen. The rest is just dumb luck.

People reporting because of "hurt feelings" doesn't amount to anything. Those who break the rules by harassing and others, should be reported.
Volfogg 2024 年 7 月 14 日 上午 11:43 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
引用自 Shade30Seven
I really dont like to report people because i believe in karma so i wouldn't want somebody reporting me because the feelings got hurt!
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Thing about karma is... if everyone simply waits for it, it will never happen. When something actually does happen, it is due to people making reports on the matter, not sitting there and letting it happen. The rest is just dumb luck.

People reporting because of "hurt feelings" doesn't amount to anything. Those who break the rules by harassing and others, should be reported.

Personally I never report, because that would make me a hypocrite. I'm not even hiding that I'm a bad person.
Shade30Seven 2024 年 7 月 14 日 下午 6:08 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
引用自 Shade30Seven
Also yes you do have the right to a privacy but you see since others like to compare the steam profile to RL
In RL you do not have the right to privacy in public, you can be approached, filmed, followed whatever you're in public. and see steam forums are public! that means we all have access to them! even those lost in the archives!
Do you see now why the steam profile really cant be compared to RL?
Again a false analogy... And wrong in every sense..

引用自 Shade30Seven
What needs to be shown private or not is the games you have and the hours you have on those games! i could care less about anything els
And you're still not owed that information if others don't want you to see it.

引用自 Shade30Seven
Also one more thing to add to this maybe it should cost money to make a steam account? cant we all agree here it might help keep the problems down? if an account costed 50 to 100 bucks to make, that would really cut down on the forum problems we are discussing and cheater problems in allot of these games.
All the sudden it becomes allot more expensive to make an alt account for cheating or trolling the forums, because now when the account gets perma banned well shucks there goes another 100 bucks!
And that is commercially not interesting for Valve. Or the game developers or publishers or the players. For nobody actually.

引用自 Shade30Seven
these are you're -public- forums private profile or not!
And even in public places people have privacy...

Well Im gonna hafto to disagree with you! You've brought up some good points here to the thread so im not just totally discrediting you, so dont take it that way. You seem like a well rounded individual, and thank you very much for you're insight, and knowledge!
I think maybe it has to do with the fact that we live in two different countries, I see that you're from the Netherlands im not sure how things work over there but here in the US
In Real Life "you have no right to privacy in public"
And that means -Exactly- what I said, now most people are going to respect you're privacy even in public, because you're just kinda of a weirdo if you dont! but hey some folks are just that way!
Thats why to me when i see a steam profile and so called public forums! i couldn't take the two the same! Maybe its like this because valve is cross region? IDK, but what i do know is since you have discredited all of my solutions to this dilemma that seems to be an on going problem here i would like to go with plan A - The option to OPT out of private profile interactions across steam forums, and in games, like completely invisible.
And there's just no way to block all of them i aint got that kinda time. They just keep coming up anyway in all these threads! Heck ive shown you, you've also seen plenty of this! so the one common denominator here is most of them are all private profiles, not saying everybody that has a private profile is bad!
Shade30Seven 2024 年 7 月 14 日 下午 6:11 
引用自 Spawn of Totoro
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Thing about karma is... if everyone simply waits for it, it will never happen. When something actually does happen, it is due to people making reports on the matter, not sitting there and letting it happen. The rest is just dumb luck.

People reporting because of "hurt feelings" doesn't amount to anything. Those who break the rules by harassing and others, should be reported.

Ohhh it happens buddy I have watched people bit the dust 5 minutes after the fact! sometimes it just takes time to catch up.
now there is a point to were some people need to get reported, but that's why they make a ton of alt private profiles anyway. literally no real consequence for them not to!
Boblin the Goblin 2024 年 7 月 14 日 下午 6:14 
引用自 Shade30Seven
引用自 Crazy Tiger
Again a false analogy... And wrong in every sense..


And you're still not owed that information if others don't want you to see it.


And that is commercially not interesting for Valve. Or the game developers or publishers or the players. For nobody actually.


And even in public places people have privacy...

Well Im gonna hafto to disagree with you! You've brought up some good points here to the thread so im not just totally discrediting you, so dont take it that way. You seem like a well rounded individual, and thank you very much for you're insight, and knowledge!
I think maybe it has to do with the fact that we live in two different countries, I see that you're from the Netherlands im not sure how things work over there but here in the US
In Real Life "you have no right to privacy in public"
And that means -Exactly- what I said, now most people are going to respect you're privacy even in public, because you're just kinda of a weirdo if you dont! but hey some folks are just that way!
Thats why to me when i see a steam profile and so called public forums! i couldn't take the two the same! Maybe its like this because valve is cross region? IDK, but what i do know is since you have discredited all of my solutions to this dilemma that seems to be an on going problem here i would like to go with plan A - The option to OPT out of private profile interactions across steam forums, and in games, like completely invisible.
And there's just no way to block all of them i aint got that kinda time. They just keep coming up anyway in all these threads! Heck ive shown you, you've also seen plenty of this! so the one common denominator here is most of them are all private profiles, not saying everybody that has a private profile is bad!
Public forums are not under the "no expectation of privacy". That rule is for physically public spaces. Sidewalks, parks beaches, etc. It does not apply here.

You are implying people with a private profile(which is the default setting) are bad because their profile is private.
Shade30Seven 2024 年 7 月 14 日 下午 6:16 
引用自 Supafly
If I walk into a shop without a sign saying anything about me I am allowed to talk to people, including staff. That give them the chance to learn details about me, details that I choose to share and when I choose to share it. If you don't like the fact some people value their privacy thats Tuff :poo: we are fully entitled to protect it regardless of your views on private users.

That is 100% fine you have the right to mask you're profile completely,
I should have the right to OPT out of seeing you period in and out of game! Tired of seeing the aggravated post and im sick of cheaters making new profiles in game!

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander!
Shade30Seven 2024 年 7 月 14 日 下午 6:18 
引用自 Gwarsbane
引用自 Shade30Seven
I really dont like to report people because i believe in karma so i wouldn't want somebody reporting me because the feelings got hurt! over something i said! i believe that everybody has the right to express themselves as they see fit as long as its not harming anybody els! I just would prefer them to be doing it on the main profile private or not. Its a coward move to make an alt account to mask what you want to say on the main account! straight up nobody can deny that!

If people report you for something you said on the forums, nothing will happen to you unless what you said breaks the rules.

If you break the rules, then yes you should be reported.



引用自 Shade30Seven
Also yes you do have the right to a privacy but you see since others like to compare the steam profile to RL
In RL you do not have the right to privacy in public, you can be approached, filmed, followed whatever you're in public. and see steam forums are public! that means we all have access to them! even those lost in the archives!
Do you see now why the steam profile really cant be compared to RL?

If I walk up to you and ask you for your idea, you can tell me to get lost. So yes you do have a right to privacy while in public.

A company can ask you for your ID to verify you are of age to get into a bar or something like that but you also have the right to say no and walk away. But if you want in, or you want access to what they are doing and that requires your ID you need to give them that info. But again you can just say no and walk away.

You don't have to hand over your ID to anyone other then law enforcement and even they need an actual reason to ask you for your ID. You can say no to them, but then you also risk being detailed till they verify who you are.

But again if some random person who is not a police officer walks up to you and asks you for your idea, you can say no to them as you have a right to your privacy, even in public.


引用自 Shade30Seven
What needs to be shown private or not is the games you have and the hours you have on those games! i could care less about anything els.
I guess it really dont matter now because of that mouse icon you mention! Like you said nobody understands this! because i did not until today.

No they don't have to be shown and no the hours you have in them you do not have to show how much you have in them. That is private information that YOU do not need. I don't care if people see what games I have or how many hours in them, but others do care if people see what games they have and how many hours they have in them.

There are people who don't even think the mouse icon should exist. I personally don't care, because I know people can have a game on another platform or another account and be knowledgeable about that game. I also know that just because you have the icon doesn't mean you know squat about a game.


引用自 Shade30Seven
Also one more thing to add to this maybe it should cost money to make a steam account? cant we all agree here it might help keep the problems down? if an account costed 50 to 100 bucks to make, that would really cut down on the forum problems we are discussing and cheater problems in allot of these games.
All the sudden it becomes allot more expensive to make an alt account for cheating or trolling the forums, because now when the account gets perma banned well shucks there goes another 100 bucks!

And im not just talking to Dr.Shadowds this for everybody these are you're -public- forums private profile or not!

No this is a bad idea. People already complain about the 5 dollar minimum to add friends which has been the only thing that has drastically slowed down spam bot invites.

I do agree that people who have not put 5 bucks into Steam should be limited more on how much they can post in Steam and where they can post but even then those people do need the ability to ask questions before they buy a game.

As for people who want to keep their accounts private... they should not face any restrictions to posting just because they don't want to share their profile you with.

Thank you for you're insight!
Shade30Seven 2024 年 7 月 14 日 下午 6:33 
引用自 M-A-X-E ™
And your post historic should be anonymous so only Valve employees can read it and not public, because alot of morons on the forums abuse that in their arguments against you as a person, so they use something you have said against you, just to mock you with it !

But yes i agree its a cowardly thing for people to do! Happens all the time in work place only 9xoutof10 you never know about it there because people are not as bawlsy as they are here behind the keyboard! but it really should only bother you if you let it! I mean we are human we all make mistakes and all have skeletons, and problems

take this guy for instance! he tried to do this exact thing you mention! and what do you know its a hidden profile!


引用自 Nx Machina
I wrote why are you EXCLUDING your own post history on the Diablo IV forum as there are examples of what you accuse private profiles of:
引用自 Shade30Seven
Like for reals from what ive seen every time there's drama starting or something or complete disrespect 9 times out of 10 seems to come from a private profile!
As for:
引用自 Shade30Seven
And nothing on my profile should be hide if it is it was a miss click
No misclick.

Your inventory is private, hidden, which is choice you made, just like people with private profiles have choice.

but as you can see here if you scroll up I literally took everything he had and threw it in the trash!
too bad im used to this kinda behavior! But i have a heart for everybody and i feel for him!
William Shakesman 2024 年 7 月 14 日 下午 6:40 
There's quite a few bad actors here who seem to want to do everything to derail the topic and they often crawl post history to do so. Very sad to see.



引用自 Shade30Seven
Like for reals from what ive seen every time there's drama starting or something or complete disrespect 9 times out of 10 seems to come from a private profile!
I understand we all have an opinion but whats the reasoning for hiding the profile? Like why are you hiding it? Its gaming community lol I cant even take these people serious anymore lol!
I don't think this is an effective measure. Instead of trying to observe and ascertain proxies for the rules, just have report people for actually breaking the rules. I am sympathetic, I have seen so many bad actors with hidden profiles, but it's a correlation versus causation issue and I just do not see a level of bad actors so pronounced that this sort of proactive moderation is necessary or useful.
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