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Allow messages from non friends?
Would appreciate the ability to turn this on. Sometimes i want to add someone and say who i am (or ask someone how i know them if they're adding me) before pressing accept.

Leave it on by default, prompt them if they want to disable it.

Or allow someone to send a message with their friend invite, etc
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Автор сообщения: Start_Running
Автор сообщения: LeGeND™ (⌐■_■)
Most Steam users are not nice people, so allowing anyone to message you would be a nightmare.

I can see why the Thread Creator might think it is a good idea, but sadly it would cause more problems than anything good.

They counter by saying you could just make it a toggle. Which they don't realize defeats the purpose. If it's allowed byt default then most people will not be aware opf the setting until after they receive a message they don't want. If it's disallowed by default... then who will turn it on? I'll tell you. The same sort of peoples that would accept any random friend request
Hear hear my friend.
Автор сообщения: Black Blade
@Tickleshits
please stay calm..
you're right, i was just getting frustrated at being called a liar. feeling better this morning though.

Автор сообщения: wuddih
Автор сообщения: Start_Running

Well now this is new information. I retract my previous statements and apologize.
no reason to. it is incorrect. same group does not change how direct communication is handled. test it yourself, dont take anyones word for granted.

what he might have seen, is the included message that comes with the tradeoffer.
i'm going to believe a moderator's word over you calling everyone a liar.

Автор сообщения: LeGeND™ (⌐■_■)
Автор сообщения: Start_Running

A key telling point is that most proponents talk about howw they'd like to send random on solicited messages to people who don't know them. Very few people saying they want to recieve random unsolicited messages from people they don't know.
Most Steam users are not nice people, so allowing anyone to message you would be a nightmare.

I can see why the Thread Creator might think it is a good idea, but sadly it would cause more problems than anything good.
you forget that it's already possible... it's just not possible to view it for longer than 3 seconds...
Автор сообщения: Tickleshits
you forget that it's already possible... it's just not possible to view it for longer than 3 seconds...
If it's a chat window on your PC then you should be able to switch to that window, unless you close it.

Even if you're in-game, it still produces a new window, or a new tab in your chats window, depending on your settings, and that window persists.

(On mobile, however, all bets are off.)

Groups, on the other hand, can produce events and announcements which just show up in the corner and then go away, never to be seen again, generating no windows. I think events still do generate a window but announcements don't, so if you don't click it in time it just disappears into the digital ether.
Автор сообщения: Quint the House Gecko
Автор сообщения: Tickleshits
you forget that it's already possible... it's just not possible to view it for longer than 3 seconds...
If it's a chat window on your PC then you should be able to switch to that window, unless you close it.

Even if you're in-game, it still produces a new window, or a new tab in your chats window, depending on your settings, and that window persists.

(On mobile, however, all bets are off.)

Groups, on the other hand, can produce events and announcements which just show up in the corner and then go away, never to be seen again, generating no windows. I think events still do generate a window but announcements don't, so if you don't click it in time it just disappears into the digital ether.

no, i mean it just gives you the 3 second notification of a message without bringing up the actual messaging window. spam in this way is still possible. the notification that brought me here wasn't from a group (i searched all of my groups for a member with the name of the person who messaged me but didn't find anything - wasn't even in my Recent Players list).

sure it goes away if you ignore it, but it's still annoying and a little creepy when it says things like "RUN, ♥♥♥♥♥!!!" from a stranger at 3 AM lol. i'd still prefer to have the option to view their profile and see in what way we're connected, or even to report/block them if need be. it would make me feel more comfortable knowing that they can't hide behind some pseudo "anti-spam" block... because if they wanted to, they could send constant messages in this way so that the notification window constantly pops up... i haven't yet had that happen, but if they can send one message to me, then they can send as many as they want.
Отредактировано Tickleshit; 8 дек. 2016 г. в 14:58
Автор сообщения: Tickleshits
no, i mean it just gives you the 3 second notification of a message without bringing up the actual messaging window. spam in this way is still possible. the notification that brought me here wasn't from a group (i searched all of my groups for a member with the name of the person who messaged me but didn't find anything - wasn't even in my Recent Players list).

Someone could have changed their name recently or frequently.

In any case, if this is something that you've experienced, and it really is as you describe, then that would be a bug with the Steam client that I have never encountered.

Doesn't mean it's not there, of course. It may just be a rare case, or one that requires doing odd technical things in order to accomplish such that no one would likely have discovered it easily.
Отредактировано Quint the Alligator Snapper; 8 дек. 2016 г. в 18:40
Small update
I was message by someone like @OP has said
was not able to see the message beyond the pop up (on my phone)

We can test it if someone willing to help
how it was done is the user added me
i added them send a message and then unfriend them
later on (or a day later) got 2 messages from them i was unable to open on the mobile app, but i did get a pop up
I think that may be related to it

maybe there is a way there for to start the chat and send themessage without adding

need to look into deeper
Автор сообщения: Black Blade
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We can test it if someone willing to help
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need to look into deeper
I'm not fully available for the next few hours, but if it's necessary, I can lend a hand where it's needed.

A wild guess of mine would be about the mobile app not auto-closing a chat window upon friend removal from another device, but I'll look into it a little on my end too.
Автор сообщения: Fox
I'm not fully available for the next few hours, but if it's necessary, I can lend a hand where it's needed.

A wild guess of mine would be about the mobile app not auto-closing a chat window upon friend removal from another device, but I'll look into it a little on my end too.
I am not going to be home till around 5.5-6 hours
Any how i think its to do with how Steam handel it, right now my guess the same will happen in the clinet

how ever i think one will be able to open these phantom messages on the web browser
As i remmber something like these with blocked users
Steam should do this. It's insanely dumb that they don't because Xbox and Playstation do this. You should be able to easily send a message to someone who's not a friend and if they don't want to talk to you they can block communication. I've never gotten spam or anything from people on console so I don't see why we can't have this on PC. AGAIN, if you don't like the idea, then there should be a toggleable option in settings so that you don't get those messages.
Автор сообщения: KnightWraith86
Steam should do this. It's insanely dumb that they don't because Xbox and Playstation do this. You should be able to easily send a message to someone who's not a friend and if they don't want to talk to you they can block communication. I've never gotten spam or anything from people on console so I don't see why we can't have this on PC. AGAIN, if you don't like the idea, then there should be a toggleable option in settings so that you don't get those messages.
i agree completely with this.
Автор сообщения: Satoru
Friend invite messages would be terrible. You'd be getting friend spam until the end of time if that was possible.
I don't think so. With the "accept block ignore" method, you could easily prevent subsequent messages if someone kept sending you invites just to send you messages.

On the contrary, I think invite messages would be extremely helpful. Right now I rarely accept any invite that doesn't come directly from someone I met in a game. Who knows? Maybe some of those ppl have "legit" reasons for sending invites. But I have no way of knowing, and it's not worth my time or "risk" (trivial though it may be) to actually accept their invites in order to find out. (Mainly because I rarely even log into friends -- ironically due to the "spam" i get from actual friends -- but that's a whole different thread. ;P)

OP's other suggestion though, messages to non-friends .. I have definitely been in situations where I thought this would be useful -- and not just to tell some f*** they're a f*** lol -- but I could see it getting out of hand, being on the receiving end.

Whatever. My profile comments are open so if someone wants to talk ♥♥♥♥, be my guest. And as far as ppl going "private profile" ... it's just ... snowflaky if you ask me. How thick of a skin do you really have to have to tolerate juvenile remarks on a gaming site? Put yourself out there, IMO.
Автор сообщения: =Snappy=
I don't think so. With the "accept block ignore" method, you could easily prevent subsequent messages if someone kept sending you invites just to send you messages.
Problem is not someone spamming you repeatedly, but millions of different accounts spamming you once.
How many different accounts are you going to block? 100, 1.000, 10.000, 1.000.000...?
Автор сообщения: KnightWraith86
Steam should do this. It's insanely dumb that they don't because Xbox and Playstation do this. You should be able to easily send a message to someone who's not a friend and if they don't want to talk to you they can block communication. I've never gotten spam or anything from people on console so I don't see why we can't have this on PC. AGAIN, if you don't like the idea, then there should be a toggleable option in settings so that you don't get those messages.

Then you're lucky.
If you play the wrong kind of games (fighter for example), you will get a lot of abusive messages from other users. Also most of the friend requests I receive on consoles are blank.
So put a limit on it. Create a spam detector. things you can think of

* age of account
* number of games
* number of games in common with the person me
* Have they played in a game with my recently?
* How long have they played those games for?
* How many achievments do they have in games (prevent people from just making an account, getting a free game and having game open to drive up game time)
* got a credit card attached?
* ever had a successful payment?
* how much money have they spent
* are there any other accounts that were blacklisted from this ip or this account
Автор сообщения: markov
So put a limit on it. Create a spam detector. things you can think of

* age of account
* number of games
* number of games in common with the person me
* Have they played in a game with my recently?
* How long have they played those games for?
* How many achievments do they have in games (prevent people from just making an account, getting a free game and having game open to drive up game time)
* got a credit card attached?
* ever had a successful payment?
* how much money have they spent
* are there any other accounts that were blacklisted from this ip or this account


sadly none of this would mean any solution to the fact that it would stilll let through many spambots


Sorry but the current situation is good enough as is.
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