Hiding Achievements Statistics on Individual Games

[Arandis25]

Hi, I'd like to start saying I'm an achievement collector, like a lot of gamers in PC and I like Valve way of treating PC Gamers, except for the completionists gamers like me.

I've seen a lot of topics about asking the possibility to delete/remove achievements of some games that are broken and impossible to get 100% done.

I honestly did want that, but I see Valve doesn't want to do that, so I have another suggestion.

I wish we could be able to "hide" a game achievement statistics from the steam counters. That prevents all bad consequences that removing the achievements would bring and gives all players the benefit everyone wants.

How It would work ?

Simple, just like the new feature "Permanent Removal of Games" , it would hide the game you mark as "Block Statistics" , game would still be in library, would still be making statistics but it wouldn't SHOW up on steam counters.

I'd like to say that this would be totally reversable , so no need to be afraid of hacking accounts.

How It should be done ?

I believe it's very simple, just adding a database column in the table of profile games named HideStats and when it has value 1 it gets ignored by counters.

Why would it be a good thing ?

Completionist is a new way of gaming that is earning respect around the times from all platforms except Steam. It would greatly increase consumers happiness on Steam and since Steam maintance of broken games is poorly it would just conceal it by giving exactly what players want.

Hope everyones like this idea and Valve reads it. In case of doubts, I will be here to explain my point of view.

Thanks for the atention and sorry for my english. I'm Brazilian and I'm trying to do my best to help a special community thats been ignored for years on my favorite platform.

[Dracon]

It would be good, it's not user fault game is broken.

[Gwarsbane]

I don't see how this would be helpful to being a completionist. All it would be doing is hiding stuff from other people. A completionist is someone who wants to finish a game. So just finish a game and move onto the next.

And while there has been a few that have asked for something like this, none of them have given actual reasons why this would be useful. If you don't want people seeing incomplete games, make your profile private even to friends that way no one but you can see anything.

You also say it avoids the bad consequences of removing the stuff... well first you have to say why there are bad consequences of even showing it. There are no bad consequences of people seeing what achievements you have. So I still don't understand the reasoning behind these requests because as I have said, if you don't want others to see it, just make it private and no one but you can see if. If you don't even want to see it, well just don't go the games sections of your profile.

[cinedine]

The term completionist would lose all meaning if people could just hide their incomplete games. Suddenly everyone is a completionist with a perfect profile.
PSN has a hiding option and those who use it are excluded from most 3rd party clean leaderboards. One of the reasons is that their completion rate is meaningless and interferes with the rankings.

(BTW: I looked at your profile and saw that you gave up on Brink. The game can be 100%ed solo with bots, even if it's a PITA sometimes.)

[Arandis25]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

I don't see how this would be helpful to being a completionist. All it would be doing is hiding stuff from other people. A completionist is someone who wants to finish a game. So just finish a game and move onto the next.

And while there has been a few that have asked for something like this, none of them have given actual reasons why this would be useful. If you don't want people seeing incomplete games, make your profile private even to friends that way no one but you can see anything.

You also say it avoids the bad consequences of removing the stuff... well first you have to say why there are bad consequences of even showing it. There are no bad consequences of people seeing what achievements you have. So I still don't understand the reasoning behind these requests because as I have said, if you don't want others to see it, just make it private and no one but you can see if. If you don't even want to see it, well just don't go the games sections of your profile.

Hi, You didn't understand my point of view.

It was not about hiding to other players. It was about hiding to steam counters.

When you see your AVG% of completion in all games, it does a simple sum of all % of the games you have achieved at least one achievement but some games are broken and makes impossible to achieve some special achievements or even launch the game like Batman Arkham City.

The idea is to hide the statistics of an individual game to everything that can track it like steam counters and profile listing.

Originally posted by cinedine:

The term completionist would lose all meaning if people could just hide their incomplete games. Suddenly everyone is a completionist with a perfect profile.
PSN has a hiding option and those who use it are excluded from most 3rd party clean leaderboards. One of the reasons is that their completion rate is meaningless and interferes with the rankings.

(BTW: I looked at your profile and saw that you gave up on Brink. The game can be 100%ed solo with bots, even if it's a PITA sometimes.)

Hi, I understand that not every solution makes everyone happy, but you can understand that not all games in Steam works as it should. Some games you are not even able to launch anymore like Batman Arkham City, some games have broken achievements, theres a huge list of broken achievements that keeps being updated here - http://steamcommunity.com/groups/100pAG/discussions/1/828935672459065954/

You can think that some people will hide their imperfect games, but that should be possible even if you don't agree, right ? It's not cheating , hacking, exploiting. It's managing the account statistics. Most of the games have the option to reset it. So if we can't, why can't we just hide what we don't want to show?

Obviously that on trackers that counts achievements as points that would make players lose points as it won't count the achievements of the game hidden, but that's up to the player choice.

I thank all of you for your replys and keep hoping Valve to at least acknowledge this.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by Arandis25:

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

I don't see how this would be helpful to being a completionist. All it would be doing is hiding stuff from other people. A completionist is someone who wants to finish a game. So just finish a game and move onto the next.

And while there has been a few that have asked for something like this, none of them have given actual reasons why this would be useful. If you don't want people seeing incomplete games, make your profile private even to friends that way no one but you can see anything.

You also say it avoids the bad consequences of removing the stuff... well first you have to say why there are bad consequences of even showing it. There are no bad consequences of people seeing what achievements you have. So I still don't understand the reasoning behind these requests because as I have said, if you don't want others to see it, just make it private and no one but you can see if. If you don't even want to see it, well just don't go the games sections of your profile.

Hi, You didn't understand my point of view.

It was not about hiding to other players. It was about hiding to steam counters.

When you see your AVG% of completion in all games, it does a simple sum of all % of the games you have achieved at least one achievement but some games are broken and makes impossible to achieve some special achievements or even launch the game like Batman Arkham City.

The idea is to hide the statistics of an individual game to everything that can track it like steam counters and profile listing.


Seeing as how Steam doesn't care about stuff like this because it has no effect on them, I doubt its ever going to happen. And again if you want to stop stuff like that just make your account private even just friends only can see it this way these counters you talk of can't see it or at least shouldn't be able to.

[Black Blade]

Sorry just need to ask what you talk abut Batman Arkham City as much as i know you can yet play it

[Arandis25]

Originally posted by Black Blade:

Sorry just need to ask what you talk abut Batman Arkham City as much as i know you can yet play it

You can play the GOTY version. The original version is no longer playable if you need to activate it on SECUROM, and even if you manage to activate it, you can't add the dlcs since its GFWL.

But even if you want to use an example about games that you can install and launch, there are a list of achievements that are no longer achiavable, I alredy posted the list here.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/100pAG/discussions/1/828935672459065954/

Achievements that sometimes needs the developers of the game to play it ( Lead and Gold). Achievements that sometimes are just broken and developers doesn't care to fix them (Darksiders)

I really think that this would be an useful implementation. Hope it gets more attention from users who want it.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Somewhat related question:

Is it possible to not have gameplay statistics/achievements/etc. show if you create another account, family share the game to that account, and only play that game on that account?

[Naly]

I support this suggestion.

I'm really tired of defending this position though to people who don't care about achievements, so I'll just leave it at that.

[ladynadiad]

I support this suggestion, but I also do think it should be somewhat limited. Like others have mentioned, it could harm the integrity of the system and anyone can get a high completion % without much effort. That is rather unfair to players who have really put in tthe effort to get a high completion % the honest way. Yeah, it would be nice if I didn't have a few games getting in the way of me being able to get a perfect 100% average completion, but I'd not want that to be at the cost of everyone being able to have that with no effort.

I think it should happen when removing a game from the library and requesting a refund. Especially in the case of a refund, that could prevent people from asking for refunds on games that take less than two hours to 100%. Of course I also feel people should be able to request removal of a single game that was obtained as part of a bundle.

I also think it should only be an option for games with broken achievements otherwise. Truly, I think Valve needs to do more to encourage devs to actually support their games and either fix or remove achievements that cannot be earned. If that were the case, such a feature wouldn't be needed.

[thom-22]

I dont agree with the full suggestion given in the OP, but I do agree with this:

Originally posted by ladynadiad:

I think it should happen when removing a game from the library and requesting a refund. Especially in the case of a refund, that could prevent people from asking for refunds on games that take less than two hours to 100%. Of course I also feel people should be able to request removal of a single game that was obtained as part of a bundle.

I also think it should only be an option for games with broken achievements otherwise. Truly, I think Valve needs to do more to encourage devs to actually support their games and either fix or remove achievements that cannot be earned. If that were the case, such a feature wouldn't be needed.

I would add demos to this list, which are problematic for achievement hunters in several ways.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Originally posted by cinedine:

The term completionist would lose all meaning if people could just hide their incomplete games. Suddenly everyone is a completionist with a perfect profile.
PSN has a hiding option and those who use it are excluded from most 3rd party clean leaderboards. One of the reasons is that their completion rate is meaningless and interferes with the rankings.

You make the mistake of thinking that completionism is accomplished for the sake of showing off rather than for the sake of personal satisfaction.

In most cases, it's the latter.

For those people who are doing it for showing off, we should not be aiding their behavior.

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

You also say it avoids the bad consequences of removing the stuff... well first you have to say why there are bad consequences of even showing it. There are no bad consequences of people seeing what achievements you have. So I still don't understand the reasoning behind these requests because as I have said, if you don't want others to see it, just make it private and no one but you can see if. If you don't even want to see it, well just don't go the games sections of your profile.

There are some jerks who might exploit this.

Making it an option to hide this stuff takes the wind out of their contentions..

[cinedine]

Originally posted by Quint the Turtle Fence:

Originally posted by cinedine:

The term completionist would lose all meaning if people could just hide their incomplete games. Suddenly everyone is a completionist with a perfect profile.
PSN has a hiding option and those who use it are excluded from most 3rd party clean leaderboards. One of the reasons is that their completion rate is meaningless and interferes with the rankings.

You make the mistake of thinking that completionism is accomplished for the sake of showing off rather than for the sake of personal satisfaction.

In most cases, it's the latter.

For those people who are doing it for showing off, we should not be aiding their behavior.

Of course it's for showing off. It's an ePeen measurement. If you want to admit it or not, you're doing it to. It might not be into the face of others, but it's most certainly to boost your ego. If it weren't, you wouldn't care about it, because you know it's not your failure that you can't obtain certain achievements and you'd go just for the best you can do.
Hiding or removing statistics from "official" counts is just bullshitting yourself.

And for the record: I'm not even talking about this. This is inherent to achievements. What I'm talking about is the competitive and community aspect behind. YOU might not be into it, but others are. And for them seeing countless perfect profile because people just hide their stuff is hurting them.

[Naly]

A big reason achievement scores are so low is because many people didn't/don't know how they are calculated. By the time they get interested in the score, they've already damaged it by actions they didn't realize would affect it. It usually comes down to playing a lot of games, getting one achievement, realizing they don't like the game, and not playing it again. For example, on my profile there is a list of just such games. Now I have to work on them one by one. Even games I really don't like or games my husband played and I have no interest in. Had I understood how the score worked, I would never have started those games. Heck, you can't even SEE the achievement score until level 10 I think, and many people don't level or don't level until AFTER the damage is done.

THAT'S not a genuine reflection either.

[Naly]

Say people delete the achievements and their score goes to 100%. There's still that factor of HOW MANY perfect games total. If this took place, the achievement hunters would shift their focus to that number instead, since the percentage would become irrelevant. Having 100 perfect games is much more impressive than 5.