How about you don't screw-over users without a Android or iPhone?

[Blakeyrat]

http://store.steampowered.com/mobile

> Avoid trade holds
> Starting Dec 9, anyone losing items in a trade will need to have a Steam Guard Mobile
> Authenticator enabled on their account for at least 7 days. Otherwise, to protect against
> unauthorized trades, items will be held by Steam for up to 3 days before delivery.

So people who use the mobile authenticator get a discount on trades. People who *don't* use the mobile authenticator have their trades delayed.

Ok.

But here's the thing: I have a Windows Phone. I don't have an Android anything, I don't have an iPhone anything. You've just screwed me over for no reason.

Because I bought an unpopular phone, suddenly I have to pay more in trades, and suddenly I get penalized. Not because I don't *want* to install the authenticator, but because VALVE NEVER BOTHERED TO MAKE ONE FOR ME.

This is grossly unfair to thousands of Steam users. Please recosider.

[SpaWn2KiLl.com]

Hello sir, a few minutes ago I opened a topic regarding to Windows Phone App... maybe you can support it instead of creating a new one no?
Topic

[Blakeyrat]

That's a completely different topic. You're calling for creation of a Windows Phone app, which is great.

I'm saying Steam shouldn't *punish* people for not having an Android or iPhone. That's just grossly unfair and ridiculous. My complaint applies just as much to people who (for example) like Blackberry, or don't own a smartphone at all.

The reason I'm not using the mobile authenticator isn't because I'm doing some kind of protest against Steam account security, it's because there is no mobile authenticator for the platform I use. Why should I be punished?

If using Steam trading is going to *require* the use of Android or iPhone, they better send me one. Because that wasn't part of the deal when I first signed up.

[SpaWn2KiLl.com]

Ahh... Sorry, you are right. I'm sorry for my mistake.

[Matt]

The issue of Windows apps isn't specific to Steam. Companies don't want to develop for a platform if it's not popular. Its the same problem that plagued Blackberries.

[Blakeyrat]

Right; if Steam doesn't want to create a Mobile Authenticator for Windows Phone, that's no sweat off my brow.

The problem comes when they do that, but then also *punish* people for not using the Mobile Authenticator.

It feels like they're treating me as a criminal, simply because I didn't buy my phone from Apple.

[My Name is Mud]

I'm not buying a smartphone just to give the company that thinks Greenlight and Early Access cash grab scams are okay more of my personal info.

Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

[cinedine]

I agree. Giving bonusses to someone who uses it is fine by me (current market discounts), but making things more difficult up to almost scrutenizing users who are simply not able to participate in a certain program is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
A smartphone is not exactly a throw-away consumer article. They're expensive, should stay for a good while and not everyone bases its purchase on one app (or app availability in general).

In addition there are people who would have more trouble using the mobile guard than it is worth. I for one change phones frequently, have to pay for text messages after a certain threshold (which I frequently reach) and have a limited dataplan which I also save for more important things as I'm often without free internet access. And it's not like it offers me more protection than the traditional SteamGuard, which is already a hassle at times which up to now has not granted me any extra protection.
This is a bad case of making many suffer to add a little more safety to people who don't value it in the first place and get "hacked", phished, scammed or whatever mostly because of their own ignorance, stupidity and greed.

[HLCinSC]

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

I agree. Giving bonusses to someone who uses it is fine by me (current market discounts), but making things more difficult up to almost scrutenizing users who are simply not able to participate in a certain program is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
A smartphone is not exactly a throw-away consumer article. They're expensive, should stay for a good while and not everyone bases its purchase on one app (or app availability in general).

You can get prepaid android phones for under $20 these days

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

In addition there are people who would have more trouble using the mobile guard than it is worth. I for one change phones frequently, have to pay for text messages after a certain threshold (which I frequently reach) and have a limited dataplan which I also save for more important things as I'm often without free internet access. And it's not like it offers me more protection than the traditional SteamGuard, which is already a hassle at times which up to now has not granted me any extra protection.
This is a bad case of making many suffer to add a little more safety to people who don't value it in the first place and get "hacked", phished, scammed or whatever mostly because of their own ignorance, stupidity and greed.

I don't know how much you pay for text messages but they are usually like 10 cents unless you have to buy them in bulk. If you need to use the app chances are you are needing to for something on steam and are in front of your internet connected computer which if you have wifi the phone can tap into.

It does grant extra protection. Without it, to lose control of your account, your computer and/or email has to be compromised. With the app your phone must also be compromised so achieving that is a lot harder for phishers to do through links clicked on your computer.

[Blakeyrat]

For avoiding the penalty, text messages aren't good enough. You HAVE to use the Mobile Authenticator app, which only runs on Android or iPhone.

[Black Blade]

Over all i do agree, i did hear that windows 10 mobile will support android apps, so that may help
On the over all how ever, i do hope Valve make an app also for Windows phones
And i do think they will do it sooner or later...

[cinedine]

Origineel geplaatst door CharlestONE:

It does grant extra protection. Without it, to lose control of your account, your computer and/or email has to be compromised. With the app your phone must also be compromised so achieving that is a lot harder for phishers to do through links clicked on your computer.

There is something like over-protection.
I was fine before and since the methods aren't exactly getting more sophisticated with time, I don't see any need to add a further protection layer. With each layer and dependency on outside services and devices the risk of being locked out also increases.

I honestly can't wait for the inevitable forum posts of users who want to remove the mobile guard but lost the failsafe code. ;)
Call me a ludite, but I don't belive that adding more digital locks prevents anything. Anything which is not on your PC cannot be stolen by RATs and stuff. Adding a device which is frequently connected to another critical device seem counterintuitive at best. Also still any digital communication is subject ot MITM attacks (just look at DELL from yesterday).
As long as most accounts get stolen by varying grades of stupidity, I doubt anything will help. You might slow serious attackers down and get rid of the lazy ones for a good while, but they will catch up and all those precious bells and whistles you attached to your account become worthless.

[CertifiedPVEChad]

Origineel geplaatst door CharlestONE:

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

I agree. Giving bonusses to someone who uses it is fine by me (current market discounts), but making things more difficult up to almost scrutenizing users who are simply not able to participate in a certain program is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
A smartphone is not exactly a throw-away consumer article. They're expensive, should stay for a good while and not everyone bases its purchase on one app (or app availability in general).

You can get prepaid android phones for under $20 these days

Origineel geplaatst door cinedine:

In addition there are people who would have more trouble using the mobile guard than it is worth. I for one change phones frequently, have to pay for text messages after a certain threshold (which I frequently reach) and have a limited dataplan which I also save for more important things as I'm often without free internet access. And it's not like it offers me more protection than the traditional SteamGuard, which is already a hassle at times which up to now has not granted me any extra protection.
This is a bad case of making many suffer to add a little more safety to people who don't value it in the first place and get "hacked", phished, scammed or whatever mostly because of their own ignorance, stupidity and greed.

I don't know how much you pay for text messages but they are usually like 10 cents unless you have to buy them in bulk. If you need to use the app chances are you are needing to for something on steam and are in front of your internet connected computer which if you have wifi the phone can tap into.

It does grant extra protection. Without it, to lose control of your account, your computer and/or email has to be compromised. With the app your phone must also be compromised so achieving that is a lot harder for phishers to do through links clicked on your computer.

I should not have to buy a phone to trade at all , im not a dumb person i dont get scamed and if i did its my own fault isnt it

[Silv3r9]

Origineel geplaatst door ★ BigmacSmallFries ★:

I should not have to buy a phone to trade at all

This pretty much sums up this entire debacle not only for non-android users but for everybody who doesn't own a smartphone for whatever reason.

On topic:
Personally, I practice basic internet security, protect my account well, always trade within the rules and trade confirmations by email work just fine for me -- I shouldn't have to change/buy a new phone [regardless if said phone costs $20 or $2000] just to be able to trade or use other community features just because there was a desperate need to protect every "Derpy McLinkClicker" out there who gets their account hijacked [by simple methods no less] and have their items stolen -- here's the thing though, not even biometrics are gonna protect those users from themselves.

All I'm hoping for is for this feature to be OPTIONAL and maybe, just maybe, for Valve to start holding people accountable for their account's security -- clearly the goal is to protect the value of market items which is understandable but when the restrictions, waiting periods and several layers of security across different devices are required even when trading one measly card worth 10 cents...it's like trying to kill a fly with a bazooka.

[HLCinSC]

Origineel geplaatst door ★ BigmacSmallFries ★:

I should not have to buy a phone to trade at all , im not a dumb person i dont get scamed and if i did its my own fault isnt it

Good news you don't have to.

[76561198261008411]

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